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Mark Mammel

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Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« on: January 19, 2024, 02:12:18 AM »
 The front 9 at Pasatiempo opened for limited play in December of 2023. Tom Doak and Jim Urbina did quite a bit of bunker restoration and Tom developed a master plan in 2005; Jim has been continuing this restoration for some time now, initially with tree removal and some gentle tweaking, but now with a full-on restoration of green complexes and surrounds as well as bunkering throughout the 9. As readers here know, greens and bunkers change gradually over time, with green surfaces getting smaller and losing distinctive shapes through mowing, and bunkers grow higher with sand removal by players as they dig balls out.  At Pasatiempo, this means greens have lost some of their distinctive levels, reducing the cupping areas and eliminating strategy in shot-making. The bunkers often lost the classic Mackenzie feature of invisibility when looking back from the greening, as well as developing higher faces. Jim and his team have redone all the bunkers, greens and green surrounds, regressing the areas around the greens and restoring contours which have disappeared over the years. I’ve played it twice with members, as well as my son, a 5 and architecturally savvy; the initial impression people seem to have is the sense that the course id the same- but somehow a lot better! This is reinforced when you move to the back 9, scheduled to close May 1 with a December 1 target to reopen. Suddenly, you notice that the bunkers seem shabby and the greens seem inconsistent and less interesting than you remember. When you get to the terrific 16th, you imagine what that green will be like when it regains plateaus and more distinct levels, creating cupping areas that actually use the huge green surface, unlike today, when the more or less continuous back to front slope renders much of the green unusable.  Here are a few photos and comments on each hole.
 
Hole 1
This difficult par 4 (or 5 from certain tees) is still a challenging opening hole. The green and surrounds reveal more subtle breaks and cupping locations, and the bunkers are a bit less severe. Photo looking back from green. Where are the bunkers?



 
Hole 2
This long par 4 plays downhill and again, the new green and bunkering is augmented by removal of the large Monterey pine short and right of the green, which made it more difficult to take advantage of the opening to the green allowing a running shot.


 


 
Hole 3
I somehow didn’t get a good shot of hole 3. I've included a photo by Rob Babcock of Pasatiempo before the current restoration.  A large monterey pine to the right of the green is gone (circled). It’s still a true beast, at 200-ish yards to an elevated green that is surrounded by challenging bunkers. This green has new cupping areas, and it now has distinguishable tiers that make more pin locations puttable, including a tough one back right. The hole still has a flaw unrelated to design; the cart part to the right of the hole frequently brings the ball pushed right all the way back down the hill to the tee. The good Dr. would be appalled.

 
Hole 4
Bunkering to the left and right of hole 4 have been combined and redone based on old photos. The green surface, like all those on the front, is smooth and contoured with more distinct cupping areas.


 
 
Hole 5
Another par 3 that plays 150-190 yards. It now has a larger green with new cupping areas front right, back left and right.





 
Hole 6
The hole where Mackenzie lived, this uphill par 5 has had the greenside bunkers lowered with restoration. The large tree to the right of the green is gone. This photo shows Mackenzie's bunkering style with close-cut edges near the green, hairy grass on the far side.







 
Hole 7
This hole, played uphill through the trees, feels pretty much unchanged except for the restored green areas and bunkers. It’s too bad the club isn’t willing tom remove more of the trees that line both sides of the hole, but apparently there was an incident with injury when a golfer on 8 green was hit by a ball from 7 tee. I haven’t found actual documentation in a quick search, but this is what I was told.




 
Hole 8
Another terrific par 3 at around 170 yards, this green has been nicely reshaped to reveal tiers to allow more interesting pins on this large green. Lips of bunkers are less severe.
 



Hole 9
This final par 5 on the front plays downhill then uphill to the mostly unseen green surface. Bunker lips have been reduced, and the bunkers again become invisible when looking back to the beautiful course from this nice elevation.





 
All in all, worries that any restoration would damage Mackenzie’s masterpiece were completely unfounded. Urbina and crew have really done a masterful job, and I can’t wait for the back 9!
Jim- please correct my errors and omissions as you see fit.
 
So much golf to play, so little time....

Mark

astavrides

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2024, 09:09:51 AM »
Thanks for the pictures and write-up.
Were trees removed between 1 and 9? If so, this is good. Provides a bailout for me, and people like me, who don't want to hit their opening tee shot into the driving range.
The picture on #6 is a bit troubling to me. Looks like you can putt out of that bunker now. Was the bunker deeper, and, therefore, more challenging before? Is the challenge now the challenge of trying to find your ball, and avoid a 2 stroke lost ball penalty, if you hit it into the deep grass on the top side of that bunker?
If the green on #8 is now immune to a long putt rolling up to the top of the hill, then backwards to your feet, mission accomplished in my eyes.

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2024, 10:59:03 AM »
Mark,


How fast were the greens rolling? Do you know what type of grass they used?
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Mark Mammel

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2024, 02:32:35 PM »
Some trees between 1 and 9 have been removed in the last few years, but they still remain a barrier. The bunker shown on 6 is back right; while putting out may be a possible shot, it also means balls are more likely to roll in to it. The grass on the outer side is thick, but not likely to eat the ball! I've asked Jim about the grass.
So much golf to play, so little time....

Mark

Mark Mammel

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2024, 02:33:46 PM »
Oh and the greens are slow now, probably 9-ish; it's the rainy season. But they are smooth and true, especially when compared to the current state of the back 9 greens.
So much golf to play, so little time....

Mark

Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2024, 02:52:58 PM »
I've spent a good amount of time mapping and describing the course on the wiki. Obviously anyone is welcome to edit/update it with regards to the recent changes (as that's the whole point). It'll probably take a bit of time for the aerial photos to reflect the tree removals, but if anyone knows which trees were removed and can point them out to me, I can trivially update the .SVG files to reflect the changes (which again, was a major design point of the wiki).

The entry is here if anyone is curious: https://golfcourse.wiki/course/pasatiempo_golf_club-santa_cruz

You don't have to be a member or anything to edit, just click edit and start editing. Sorry if it's a bit clunky.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2024, 03:13:57 PM by Matt Schoolfield »

Jim Hoak

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2024, 04:50:45 PM »
I have felt that Pasatiempo has 15 of the best holes of any course anywhere--the exceptions being #6, #7 and #8.
The green complex on #6 looks much improved in the picture, but there is not much you can do with the homes encroaching on the left side of the fairway.  I agree with you that it is a shame they couldn't improve on the "bowling alley" look of the 7th fairway.  Leaving that is a mistake.  And I agree with the thought that simplifying the roll on the 8th green will improve things there a lot.
I look forward to playing the course soon.  All in all, it is wonderful!  One of my favorites.  The backside is genius.  Hope they don't touch it too much.



astavrides

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2024, 10:02:43 PM »
I've spent a good amount of time mapping and describing the course on the wiki. Obviously anyone is welcome to edit/update it with regards to the recent changes (as that's the whole point). It'll probably take a bit of time for the aerial photos to reflect the tree removals, but if anyone knows which trees were removed and can point them out to me, I can trivially update the .SVG files to reflect the changes (which again, was a major design point of the wiki).

The entry is here if anyone is curious: https://golfcourse.wiki/course/pasatiempo_golf_club-santa_cruz

You don't have to be a member or anything to edit, just click edit and start editing. Sorry if it's a bit clunky.


Thanks for doing the wiki. It's funny that the wikipedia entry for Pasa lists its rankings in 2006-7 (#12 in Golf Mag. courses you can play), not more recent ones. It sure looks from the OPs photo that the 1st green is now approachable from #9 fairway, whereas the wiki appears to show a cluster of big trees guarding the green from that angle. Of course, that raises a possible safety issue of beanings on the 9th fairway from 1st hole drives now.

Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2024, 10:42:23 PM »
Thanks for the heads up, the 2023 aerial photograph does indeed show these trees removed. Holes 1 & 9 on the wiki have been updated. Easy peasy.

Edit from later in the evening: I've gone through the other holes and updated the tree removals on all of 1-9.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2024, 01:39:23 AM by Matt Schoolfield »

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2024, 02:10:09 PM »
I've alerted Jim to this thread - hopefully we can hear from him about work done on the front and to come on the back.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2024, 09:19:12 PM »
The green complex on #6 looks much improved in the picture, but there is not much you can do with the homes encroaching on the left side of the fairway.


I have to wonder why they built the homes so close to the fairway in the first place.

Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2024, 02:30:50 PM »
The green complex on #6 looks much improved in the picture, but there is not much you can do with the homes encroaching on the left side of the fairway.
I have to wonder why they built the homes so close to the fairway in the first place.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't see MacKenzie as being anti-homes on course. When I think of the MacKenzie courses I've played (Northwood, Meadow Club, Sharp Park, Pasatiempo), on all but the Meadow Club there tends to be a one or two course boundaries that have homes. On Pasatiempo, obviously MacKenzie's own home was along #6, but there are some homes on 7, 13, and 14. At Northwood, there are homes on #2, #4, and #9 (effectively 3 sides of the course). Sharp Park has homes along the north side as far back as 1941:



So yea, I suspect that most folks weren't really bothered by homes on courses until some MBA in the '70s figured out cramming as many homes onto a course as physically possible would increase investment returns.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2024, 02:39:20 PM by Matt Schoolfield »

Tom_Doak

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2024, 04:52:23 PM »
I have felt that Pasatiempo has 15 of the best holes of any course anywhere--the exceptions being #6, #7 and #8.
The green complex on #6 looks much improved in the picture, but there is not much you can do with the homes encroaching on the left side of the fairway.  I agree with you that it is a shame they couldn't improve on the "bowling alley" look of the 7th fairway.  Leaving that is a mistake.  And I agree with the thought that simplifying the roll on the 8th green will improve things there a lot.


6-7-8 all shared an enormous wide fairway originally, with no trees, so you didn't have to play anywhere close to the homes on the left of six if you didn't want to.


The trees were planted after someone was hit in the head on the 8th green by a duck hook off the 7th tee, sometime in the 50s I believe.  And because of that history, it's pretty hard to take the trees out, and open up the liability of having it happen again and being the fault of the guy who took down the trees.

Jackson C

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2024, 06:16:15 PM »
I have felt that Pasatiempo has 15 of the best holes of any course anywhere--the exceptions being #6, #7 and #8.
The green complex on #6 looks much improved in the picture, but there is not much you can do with the homes encroaching on the left side of the fairway.  I agree with you that it is a shame they couldn't improve on the "bowling alley" look of the 7th fairway.  Leaving that is a mistake.  And I agree with the thought that simplifying the roll on the 8th green will improve things there a lot.
I look forward to playing the course soon.  All in all, it is wonderful!  One of my favorites.  The backside is genius.  Hope they don't touch it too much.


I always liked #8.  Is your point on #8, that the green was too severe with some unpinnable areas?  Or is it more than that?
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Jim Hoak

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2024, 06:23:33 PM »
Jackson--Your first point--green too severe with most of it unpinnable.  Hope it is better now.

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Front 9 restoration at Pasatiempo
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2024, 09:16:40 PM »
I never felt that #6 felt narrow off the tee or for the second shot.  And as a plus, it is cool to look for AM's house on the left side.


Knowing #7's "bowling alley" reputation in advance, it never seems as narrow as advertised.


Looking forward to playing #8.
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