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Chris_Clouser

What are some good club histories?
« on: April 16, 2003, 06:22:34 AM »
One of the things my little golf library is missing are some good club histories.  What are some of the best ones out there?  I have read the Jeff Mingay interview and have noted those that he mentions, such as the RSG history, but what are some others?

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Tim_Weiman

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2003, 07:52:27 AM »
Chris,

First, you should understand that most club histories are really about the club not the golf course. So, if you are looking for material about golf architecture you may be disappointed. Take the Royal Melbourne club history as an example. Here is one of the great golf courses of the world, but the club history really doesn't tell you much about it.

So, be clear on what you are looking for. Many fine club histories may not be what you are really looking for.

That said, a couple really standout. Jim Finegan's history of Pine Valley might be the best at giving you a feeling for what it took to create a golf club. It is written in a way that makes discussion of key personalities interesting. Most club histories don't accomplish that.

I'm also a big fan of Maidstone's club history. The book details the evolution of the golf course and the influence of different factions within the club.

As for which club histories to seek out, I would encourage you to concentrate on histories for clubs where you feel some kind of personal tie. This doesn't mean you have to be a member, but you should have some experience at and affection for the club. For example, part of why I enjoyed the history of Dooks is that I'm a huge fan of the club. In part, I enjoyed the book because I wanted to understand how this quirky place evolved into being so cool.

Then too, I'm currently reading the history of Burnham & Berrow, a place I'll always feel affection for thanks to Russell Talley and the sheer enjoyment you can find at a place most people don't talk about.
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2003, 08:09:21 AM »
If you are looking into the history of English golf clubs you will find a great deal of obfuscation, especially during their formative years. Blackheath for example was almost a Masonic Lodge in its membership and rituals. As we all know, such Masonic connections required a good deal of secrecy, so that what may have been recorded was either hidden or destroyed.
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2003, 08:16:04 AM »

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That said, a couple really standout. Jim Finegan's history of Pine Valley might be the best at giving you a feeling for what it took to create a golf club. It is written in a way that makes discussion of key personalities interesting. Most club histories don't accomplish that.
  

The Pine Valley book is the best I've seen.  There is one on ebay right now that is autographed by Finegan.  It normally goes for $100 ad this is the first one I have seen under that.
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Fred_C.

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2003, 08:24:29 AM »
I collect club histories.  My personal favorites:  Pine Valley (by Shelley), Merion, Muirfield (Pottinger), The R & A (Behrend--2 of 3 volumes now published), and St. Georges Hill.  Aberdovey's is fine also.

I agree with other posts:  club histories vary between histories of clubs, courses, and everything in between.

Fred
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ed_getka

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2003, 09:13:48 AM »
As others have stated it depends on what you want. Some histories spend so much time dropping names you would hardly even know they have a golf course. I prefer histories that show and talk about all the holes. My favorites are Merion, Pine Valley, Garden City, Pasatiempo, Prairie Dunes. One I bought just for the title, North Berwick's history is "In the Wind's Eye".
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Tim_Weiman

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2003, 09:42:54 AM »
Ed Getka,

In fairness, most club histories are written for club members and aren't intended to be about the golf courses themselves. It is assumed that the reader plays and is quite familiar with the golf course but may not really be aware of the history of the club.

Even Jim Finegan's Pine Valley history doesn't have that much about the golf course - in fact, probably less than what Warner Shelly previously provided.
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Tim Weiman

Stan Dodd

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2003, 09:48:55 AM »
I was gifted the club history for Panmure.  It is well written with good photos, but the focus , as previously mentioned is on the club not the course.  Though there is a little on Hogan practicing at Panmure.
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Chris_Clouser

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2003, 09:53:03 AM »
I would be most interested in histories that talk about the golf courses extensively.  The more it talks about the course, the more my interest goes up.

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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2003, 10:57:45 AM »
I don't want to impead on Tom Huckaby's job as publicist for Geoff Shackelford's writings,:) but Geoff's Riveira: A Definitive History is one of the great club history books I have ever come across.

You can get it from the club (310)454-6591. I think it is around $50.00. Stiff price for some, but when you read the course description and content, it ends up being well worth it.
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Norbert P

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2003, 11:18:46 AM »
Author/Geologist Robert Price highly recommends "The History of Lanark Golf Club" as the most interesting club history book.  I don't have it but he's a straightshooter with his comments.

   I really enjoyed Archie Baird's "Golf On Gullane Hill".
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Phil_the_Author

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2003, 11:28:18 AM »
The finest club history that I have ever seen is one that I was given as a gift just a few weeks ago and that I was looking through before coming on GCA.

It is "Baltusrol, 100 Years, The Centennial History of Baltusrol Golf Club."

The opening chapter, "The Name," tells how it got its name.It  describes the demise of one "Baltus Roll" who was murdered, strangled by two men, one of whom, as his horrified wife who ran from the crime later described, as am man with, "a full face with large whiskers and light blue eyes..."  back on February 22, 1831. This man who lived on the land where the club is now, has been immortalized for paying the ultimate price for others greed.

It traces its history from the beginning with George Low, through the early glory years of Johnny Farrell, before entering the modern era of Baltusrol's early pro, Bob Ross.

It traces the evolution of the golf courses in pictures and words, from the original old course to A.W. Tillinghast's monumental new "Upper and Lower Courses."
 
Every major championship that has been held there through the years has a separate chapter dedicated to it, From Madame Genevieve Hecker and the Women's Amateur in 1901 to the first Open and Willie Anderson in 1903, to Egan in '04 andCurtis in '14 and Jerry Travers in 1915, the last of the Major championships on "The Old Course." From George Von Elms victory over Bob Jones in 1926, to Tony Manero's surprise in '36 at the Open. In 1946, the first U.S. Amateur after WWII when Bishop defeated Quick, followed by Ed Furgol's 1954 Open, to Mickey Wright in 1961. Nicklaus and White Fang would arrive in '67 only for Jack to be back with Mr. Aoki in 1980. Kathy Baker in "85 and Lee Janzen in '93, all these are remembered.

Ther tournaments, lesser of stature but of no less importance to those competing has its home here as well. A history of Women's golf and Baltusrol, before giving praise once again to the "Distinguished Baltusrol Men Golfers."

This is a magical book about a wondrous place to enjoy the game of golf.

Poor old Baltus Roll. A man who murdered most foul who's death has given him a fame that will ride down the centuries along with the game that is played above where he lay.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2003, 11:37:00 AM »
That was a GREAT call Phil.

The Baltusrol book is also a really good read.
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James Edwards

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2003, 02:25:59 PM »
Fred,

I was reading Aberdoveys today.. we are currently working at the club.

Fantastic writer - Bernard Darwin.

Ghost holes was my favourite, talking about holes of the past which still can be identified on the ground as overgrown areas next to the new forms of today in some cases.
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Paul_Turner

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2003, 06:02:12 PM »
Tim is right, the Burnham and Berrow history is great, and is the epitome of what I like in a club history: lots of detailed explanation on the course evolution.  

Most of the British ones are very good, my favourites:

Rye:  great and detailed account of a complicated evolution (to say the least).

Porthcawl:  very well presented particularly the plans of courses, although plenty of puzzles remain!

Lytham:  Masses of detail.

Sunningdale:  Again a complicated evolution of both courses well researched.

Romford:  just the dog's bollocks.  Beautifully presented with sharp old pics.  Get a real feeling of what a fine historical course this was/is (Braid's course before Walton Heath).

Could have done better:

Wentworth:  bloody usless when it comes to the West course (even I've found more info).  Not too bad for the East.

Muirfield:  only brushes over the architectural info and the course has been through a load of interesting changes.  Hardly any old pics of the course.  But one very cool Simpson drawing.





PS

The Pine Valley club history only scratches the surface of the course evolution.
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Steve_L.

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2003, 07:22:14 PM »
The ebay Pine Valley book referred to earlier is up to over $160...  In case anyone was interested...

Steve
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Mike_Golden

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2003, 07:38:38 PM »
I could recommend the Lake Merced history, written by our current club president, Robert (Bo) Links, which has extensive info about the original golf course but alas, it was taken by some alleged SoCal 'emperor' several years ago and has not been seen since...
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T_MacWood

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2003, 07:56:12 PM »
Mike (or Tommy)
How much is known about the original golf course? Most give credit for the course to a gentleman named Lock - any idea who he was? Does the history mention any connection between Lock and Herbert Fowler?
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Mike_Cirba

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2003, 08:24:46 PM »
Phil;

I would concur as well on the Baltusrol tome.

It tells you just about everything you'd like to know about the evolution of the courses, including layouts of the original courses there.  

The pictures alone are worth the price.
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Tim_Weiman

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Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2003, 09:07:13 PM »
Chris,

I get the feeling that you are really more interested in things like the Fazio/Wynn Shadow Creek book or perhaps Geoff Shackelford's Cypress Point book.

To my knowledge, there aren't many like it. Hopefully, it won't be too long before Tom Doak is able to publish his draft "The Making of Pacific Dunes".
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Tim Weiman

Tommy_Naccarato

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2003, 09:19:14 PM »
I have in my tight fisted GRASP a history of Lake Merced that will only be returned when it's rightful owner comes down to SoCal to play Rustic Canyon!

Until then--I'll scan you a copy!:)
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2003, 09:21:55 PM »
Tom, The orignal course is featured in Daniel Wexler's newest, "Lost Links."

MacKenzie's work there was to add bunkering and make the course more maintainable. I'll find out the rest when I get home and look it up in MY book!:)
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Mike_Golden

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2003, 10:09:03 PM »
Gee, I would have been at Rustic Canyon in December, as we agreed, if a certain SoCal emperor had CALLED ME BACK and let me know his schedule!!!!  Or returned my call the day of the King's Putter!!!!!!! :P :-X :'( 8) :o :( >:( ;D :D ;) :)
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2003, 10:27:53 PM »
Whoops!;D

Actually Mike, it ended-up as a pretty busy time during the holidays. So busy, I didn't pick-up a club for over three months! More on that one later!
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Mike_Golden

Re: What are some good club histories?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2003, 10:36:08 PM »
Tom,

In spite of our beloved Emperor I found the article from 'his' book and here's a link:
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/a870e7b6/bc/Diamonds+%26+Rough.doc?BCNAkn.AQCSF0ftf

In short, Willie Lock was the first designer of Lake Merced and then the good Doctor arrived in 1929 to redo the greens and bunkers.  When an interstate highway took land away in 1964 Robert Muir Graves pretty much trashed the good Doctors work.  In 1996 Rees Jones reworked the golf course again in the hopes of landing a USGA event.  Which of course we did,  getting the US Women's Open for 2003, only to have a couple of our Board members decide about two years ago that we might be at risk financially so created so much aggravation for the USGA they had no choice but to walk away and reassign the tournament to Pumpkin Ridge.  There was absolutely no reason for us to lose the Open other than our Board being asleep during this process, and we would no doubt have a better golf course had someone like Tom Doak been given the contract and done the same kinds of magic he's worked at Pasatiempo.  All the above negativity aside, we do have a really good golf course that can play very tough-it's just a shame that we missed the opportunity to possibly return it to the kind of course it was before the freeway intruded.
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