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DMoriarty

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Re: C.B. MacDonald was not that great... New
« Reply #125 on: October 05, 2010, 11:46:18 AM »
Aha!  Is that the real "Bulletin of the Green Section . . ." or a unapproved Draft Bulletin that just looks like a Bulletin and was published as such?!  Because based on my reading of Alan Wilson's comments in the all important 39,461 Agronomy letters, this must be a draft because the Section wouldn't exist for another 5 years!!

Have you ever even been to NGLA, Merion, or Myopia, or Far Hills, Kennedy?? If not how could you possibly understand these people and how they announced the creation of their organizations 5 years before they even existed.  These were MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, Kennedy!  The normal standards of time, space, and dimension did not apply to them!  But you couldn't possibly know that --you probably don't even have a trust fund, DO YOU KENNEDY!!

DO THE RESEARCH, KENNEDY!
« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 02:13:34 PM by DMoriarty »
Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

TEPaul

Re: C.B. MacDonald was not that great...
« Reply #126 on: October 05, 2010, 11:51:54 AM »
The USGA Bulletin preceded the formal setting up of the USGA Green Section by yes, maybe five years.

Do the RESEARCH!

There is something remarkably similiar the way Moriarty is going about this to the way he went about researching the architectural history of Merion East-----eg very much less than complete information even if he didn't realize it when he wrote that comical essay and even if he will not admit it now.

So, what's new?  ;)
« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 11:54:40 AM by TEPaul »

Phil_the_Author

Re: C.B. MacDonald was not that great...
« Reply #127 on: October 05, 2010, 12:04:29 PM »
Tom,

Please go back and look at the article I posted in reply #107. According to that article, the Green SECTION had been up and running for some ten months by the time that was published in 1922. Even if you want to discount the article that david poduced as being a "forerunner" of what was to come, Packard's article in the American Golfer was pretty definitive that it was operating in 1921.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: C.B. MacDonald was not that great...
« Reply #128 on: October 05, 2010, 12:18:07 PM »
Phil,
Here you go:

http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/2102TC.pdf

http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/210203.pdf

http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/210205.pdf

http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/210207.pdf

http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/210208.pdf

http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/210210.pdf

http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/210211.pdf

The first article:
http://turf.lib.msu.edu/1920s/1921/210214.pdf
 

DM: There are folks whose Pa. relatives received party guests while sitting on gold leaf throne chairs. These folks, along with their brethren and their descendants, have never forgiven the Roosevelt cousins for destroying their oligarchy.  ;D

p.s. I have a trust fund, but it's verbal.  ;)
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DMoriarty

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Re: C.B. MacDonald was not that great...
« Reply #129 on: October 05, 2010, 01:23:18 PM »
TEPaul,

If you bothered to try to comprehend my posts, you'd see that I explained many posts ago that the issue in 1924 was that the committee was trying to set up an endowment to more consistently fund the Green Section.

But that is purely tangential to the fact that the USGA created the GREEN SECTION (not just the green committee, but the GREEN SECTION) in November of 1920.    The Bulletin was put out by the green committee but it was the "BULLETIN OF THE GREEN SECTION OF THE USGA."  Clubs signed up as members of the "Green Section" not the Green Committee.  

For example,  through January 7, 1922 the "Green Section" had 397 dues paying member clubs and by Dec. 31, 1924 the "Green Section" had 802 dues paying member clubs (221 of which were not member clubs of the USGA.)  That is quite a large number of clubs who were paying to belong to a "Green Section" which you claim did not even exist!

I don't get it, Tom.  You always claim to have such a strong interest in the Green Section and the committee set up to conduct the Green Section, but you've now made it painfully obvious that you know very little about either, and have apparently not even read the Green Section bulletin which began publication in February 1921.  I'm no expert on either, and frankly it is not even close to my foremost area of interest, but even I can figure out when the Green Section was created!

Why do you suppose that about ever time you bring up the agronomy letters you have gotten something completely wrong or missed something extremely important and obvious?    
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« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 01:24:54 PM by DMoriarty »
Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

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