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Mark_Fine

Re: “Angles Don’t Matter”
« Reply #450 on: Yesterday at 11:24:27 AM »
Rob,
Is Michael into trees?  Be clear I have taken out literally thousands more trees then I have planted on golf courses but all for good reason (at least I like to think with good reason)  :)   But well thought out and well placed trees can be great hazards and force shots that ground features cannot.  They can definitely make angles matter.  Play Harbour Town or even a course like Cypress Point and tell me otherwise. 

Erik J. Barzeski

Re: “Angles Don’t Matter”
« Reply #451 on: Yesterday at 06:31:43 PM »
Play a course with trees and then tell me angles don’t matter.

They definitely can make angles matter.
That's not what anyone's talking about when they're talking about angles.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Rob Marshall

Re: “Angles Don’t Matter”
« Reply #452 on: Yesterday at 06:44:08 PM »
Rob,
Is Michael into trees?  Be clear I have taken out literally thousands more trees then I have planted on golf courses but all for good reason (at least I like to think with good reason)  :)   But well thought out and well placed trees can be great hazards and force shots that ground features cannot.  They can definitely make angles matter.  Play Harbour Town or even a course like Cypress Point and tell me otherwise.


Yes, he is of the opinion that removing trees is a huge problem. Tour courses need more trees and and if there were more trees the ball rollback wouldn’t be necessary.


I love Harbor Town. You can’t just be in the fairway you need to be on the proper side of the fairway.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Tony Ristola

Re: “Angles Don’t Matter”
« Reply #453 on: Yesterday at 06:52:28 PM »
“Angles Don’t Matter”

“Fairways Don’t Have Proper Sides”

These are both quotes from the data manager of Arccos Golf, Lou Stagner. I decided I was tired of being a golf nut that sucks at golf and I’m working hard to get better. This led me to data analysis and Arccos Golf. Turns out, all the stuff I thought I knew about getting better at golf is sort of old hat.


That said, this modern take on shot tracking and by default, scoring, also has an affect on golf architecture. What’s your viewpoint when you read quotes such as these? Keep in mind that Lou Stagner has over 600 MILLION golf shots from which to draw conclusions.


They matter if you play hickories.

For the elite golfers, the only line that matters is the direct one as far up the hole as possible. If it's in the rough, gouge it out.

Of course, there will be instances that a green contour will be so severe as to make things better from a specific angle... but how many holes do that... especially modern ones?

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