C+C is becoming less appealing for me over time as their work seems to be repetitive however on some very good sites.
Ben can you give some examples of what you mean for C&C?
The style and shaping that they have is becoming more and more repetitive because that's their approach bar Sheep Ranch which is the only one that's stands out as there is no sand bunker.
Frank Lloyd Wright - his design language evolved over time. Currently most golf course architects latest work seem to be too similar to each other.
I like to see things in Architecture and Golf Course Architecture that is out of the box - and you think wow that's impressive. Have been following MAD Architects lately - they are a bit crazy!
Ben, [size=78%]I played five C&C courses this summer. They each had short par threes that were dissimilar, short par fours that used the and differently, and par fives that couldn't have been more different. [/size]
It's hard to tell that from photos, which, with respect to Ben, is all he's commenting on.
Have to say Adam is right at the moment in some ways its not appealing enough for me at present to play a C+C course based on images as well as their current design philosophy which seems to be repetitive to me. I guess i might be from a younger generation which looks at pictures the wow factor is more attractive albeit why i had put in Gil Hanse and Andrew Green works from an American standpoint the others are European who I know quite well and mix of Oz/US works.
The majority of C+C works are courses whose site that are naturally there and the have a subtle light design approach to them its just not the right precedents that I am looking for at present.
Most golf course architects would love to have a site that C+C, Doak/Renaissance have been working on recently and in future. What I am more interested is others working in a more similar scenario that I would be more likely to be working on if I am lucky enough to work in future which in some ways needs more design effort and creative thinking to do so. Sometimes if the site is easier, already beautiful, shapes contours already there it does feel less design effort to do so because they are already there rather than working to a blank canvas which requires more work in some respects that the majority of golf course architects carry out work on which I am more interested to see at this stage.
James Edwards has done which looks cracking work at Berkhamsted with Conor Walsh creating a new short game area for the club to reflect the current golf course generally and it was on a blank canvas and takes a lot of creativity - it now looks like it has been there for a long time and I am really interested going to see it.
Rob - you are certainly lucky to be able to play 5 C+C courses they are probably too far out of my reach at the moment. The holes may play differently more dedicated to the ground game - my sticking point with their works is that it looks so similar and less appealing.