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Tom_Doak

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The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« on: October 10, 2022, 02:29:51 PM »
Last week I had the chance to tour Old Tom Morris's original twelve-hole layout of Prestwick, which has been mowed out for a two-week revival this October to commemorate the 150th Open Championship.  Sadly I missed the playing window by a few days - play starts today!


I had seen a map of the layout many years ago but walking it gave an entirely different appreciation for the size of it, and the challenge of it.  I'm sorry this is not a photo tour, but it was rainy so I didn't take many photos.


The first hole is notoriously 578 yards from the corner of the property to the present 16th green, via the 14th, 13th and 16th fairways.  It's hard to imagine players reaching it in three back in the day but Young Tom HOLED IT IN THREE during one of his Open wins!


The second is the Alps, in all its glory.  It would have been a very full second shot over the hill and the bunker to the green, but there's really no other way to attack it, except to lay up off a bad drive.  The wonderful ridges and valleys of the present 17th fairway are more in play with older equipment, and Old Tom must have really liked it, because this same 17th fairway is the landing area for FOUR of the twelve holes!  With current health & safety rules in the UK, they will have to have very limited play along with spotters and marshals to get a few groups around each day.


The third is today's par-3 second hole and this is the SW extent of the course; today's opening hole was not in play back then.


The fourth hole was today's par-5 third, from the ladies' tee.  The seventy-yard carry over the Cardinal bunker must have been daunting back then.


The fifth hole is Sea Headrig, today's 13th, played from beside the 3rd green.  At 440 yards it was a par-5; that wild natural green makes a bit more sense when you are coming into it with a short third shot instead of a long second.


Now things start to get weird!  The sixth is a cross-country dogleg right; you back up off the Sea Headrig green, play across onto the fairway of the Alps, and then continue around the corner and over a shoulder to come into today's second green [then the 3rd green] from the back left as we know it.


The seventh was a par-3, back across the Alps to a green in the hollow just before the green side bunkers on today's 15th hole.


The eighth was another par-3, and a really daunting one, playing backwards over a ridge in today's 15th fairway, The Narrows, to a green falling away behind a nasty small bunker.  Old Tom made the first ace in championship play here, in 1869, but if you didn't hit a good shot there would be a lot of 4's and 5's.


The ninth is the hole I was most looking forward to seeing.  You play from today's 18th tee backwards down the Alps fairway, and then down into the Cardinal bunker, where there was a green on the island of grass in the middle of the bunker!  It is somewhat similar to the Alps in many respects, and the fact that it is less blind would be offset by having people on the fourth hole hitting second shots over your head while you're putting!


The tenth was a short par-4, playing across the Alps fairway yet again, into today's 15th green from the back.  If you've ever wondered how they decided to have such a severe fallaway green for the present 15th, here is your answer:  the green was designed for the other way around, and they didn't use it from the present line of approach until the course was expanded to 18 holes.


The eleventh is another par-3, playing over some beautiful ripply ground to a small green in today's 16th fairway, a bit short of the bunker known as Willie Campbell's Grave.  You never notice these lovely contours on today's bigger course, because you are bashing driver well over them.


The twelfth was a difficult 417 yards home from there, back down the fairway of the opening hole, to a green in the SW corner of the site near the road.  It's fairly flat once you get down to the fairway, but 417 yards was a long way back then.




The most remarkable part of it is that the entire twelve holes were contained in what are today's 2nd, 3rd, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, and 17th holes.  I just measured it out on Google Earth at 33 acres.  That's a lot of golf in 33 acres!


Many thanks to the club for letting us wander around out there and see it.





Peter Flory

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2022, 04:13:09 PM »
Sounds like a great experience.  I didn't realize that they were mowing it appropriately for this. 

Sean_A

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2022, 04:57:16 PM »
Thanks Tom. Several years ago I walked the course as you described with a few minor mistakes using a map P Pittock created years ago. The 9th, do you think the Cardinal Bunker was bigger back in the day or perhaps the green was tucked between it and the large forward bunker on #3? I ask because an 1889 water colour dosesn't show a green in the bunker, but I confess to not knowing when the original course was altered except that it was before 1911.

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« Last Edit: October 20, 2022, 04:42:53 AM by Sean_A »
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Thomas Dai

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Tom_Doak

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2022, 06:18:37 PM »
Thanks Tom. Several years ago I walked the course as you described with a few minor mistakes using a map P Pittock created years ago. The 9th, do you think the Cardinal Bunker was bigger back in the day or perhaps the green was tucked between it and thre large forward bunker on #3? I ask because an 1889 water colour dosesn't show a green in the bunker, but I confess to not knowing when the original course was altered except that it was before 1911.

Ciao


Sean:


They expanded the course to 18 holes in 1882.  I doubt that was to the full extent of today's course, but I think the green in question went away at that time.  It was known as the "Burn" hole because the green is quite close to the Eel Burn there.

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2022, 06:20:40 PM »
Sounds like a great experience.  I didn't realize that they were mowing it appropriately for this.


In places they have mowed down rough grass or even heather to fairway, and those bits are pretty rough, probably being mowed at one inch.  The 7th green, which started as rough, is not as good as the rest, but the 8th and 9th are pretty good.

mike_beene

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2022, 11:20:05 PM »
Any idea how many acres the current 18 holes uses? While it is very tight on the last few holes, the course doesn’t seem cramped overall. It’s been a long time since I was there, so maybe I am wrong about the seemingly large footprint.
The 12 hole course is longer than I would have thought.

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2022, 07:44:59 AM »
Hope somebody can do a photo tour. I even fancy popping up myself. I found it hard last time I was there to work out where the older holes went exactly as much was under gorse/bush. Even the old first hole looked blocked.
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Niall C

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2022, 08:14:41 AM »
The hole or green positions are well documented however I wonder if the routings from tee to green as shown on the Golf Digest aerial are maybe just a modern concoction to try and keep the modern golfer contained ? I imagine back in the day there would have been no defined fairways other than the trampled ground created by players.


Niall

JJShanley

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2022, 08:47:25 AM »
The online proshop at Prestwick has a strokesaver for the 12 hole course: https://prestwickgcproshop.com/prestwick-strokesaver-12-hole-course/

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2022, 08:55:34 AM »
The online proshop at Prestwick has a strokesaver for the 12 hole course: https://prestwickgcproshop.com/prestwick-strokesaver-12-hole-course/


Cost £15!!! The original belt they competed for cost £25.





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jeffwarne

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2022, 09:17:44 AM »
Tom's description made me think of the previous version of Otway!
One fairway used for multiple holes
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Thomas Dai

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2022, 09:34:46 AM »

Tom's description made me think of the previous version of Otway!
One fairway used for multiple holes
Most yee olde era courses too and still often the case at those that are mowed/grazed by sheep and cattle and horses and goats.
It’s pretty much how an area suitable for early period golf had evolved. Grazing animals will for the most part avoid wet ground, sandy hollows, gorse and steep dune slopes and will instead nibble away at the rest of the terrain feeding themselves with glee.
And the outcome is usually an area of ‘fair’way, the nibbled short grass route that the golfers preferred and ‘rough’ and ‘hazards’, the areas that golfers tried to avoid.
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Bret Lawrence

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2022, 10:18:40 AM »

Thanks for sharing Tom. Here are two older routing from Prestwick.  One of the layouts appears to be made of plasticine.  I think the dates may be backwards on these two maps, but they are interesting to look at regardless. The plasticine layout shows how big the Cardinal bunker used to be.


https://www.oldgolfimages.com/index/G0000Nt5o_1iQw70/I0000j1ZeLnmiinY

https://www.oldgolfimages.com/index/G0000Nt5o_1iQw70/I0000g0.VM1h4ao4


Tom_Doak

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2022, 10:50:10 AM »

Thanks for sharing Tom. Here are two older routing from Prestwick.  One of the layouts appears to be made of plasticine.  I think the dates may be backwards on these two maps, but they are interesting to look at regardless. The plasticine layout shows how big the Cardinal bunker used to be.


https://www.oldgolfimages.com/index/G0000Nt5o_1iQw70/I0000j1ZeLnmiinY

https://www.oldgolfimages.com/index/G0000Nt5o_1iQw70/I0000g0.VM1h4ao4


Bret:


That second link is the 18-hole routing, not the original 12.

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2022, 10:55:21 AM »
Any idea how many acres the current 18 holes uses? While it is very tight on the last few holes, the course doesn’t seem cramped overall. It’s been a long time since I was there, so maybe I am wrong about the seemingly large footprint.
The 12 hole course is longer than I would have thought.


It looks like the club own about 165 acres, because there is so much unused space between the Pow Burn and holes 6-7.  If you drew tighter boundaries around the golf holes, it would be more like 135.  Still, more than I thought, but I didn't even get out to the holes at the far end this time to remind myself.

Bret Lawrence

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2022, 11:29:13 AM »
Tom,


Yes, you are correct. the second routing is from later, when they had 18 holes.  Someone had asked earlier in the thread if the Cardinal bunker was ever bigger.  I thought the 18-hole layout illustrates how massive the Cardinal bunker was back then, compared to now.


Bret

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2022, 01:38:38 PM »


Someone had asked earlier in the thread if the Cardinal bunker was ever bigger.  I thought the 18-hole layout illustrates how massive the Cardinal bunker was back then, compared to now.



I guess that more of the crater was sand back in the day, but the crater wasn't any bigger than it is now, as far as I know.

Steve Salmen

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2022, 03:10:40 PM »
Is there room to the right of the Channel at the Lido to route Prestwick's original 12 holes? If there were the land, would it be a safe enough routing to actually build?

Ben Stephens

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2022, 08:33:29 AM »
Tom,


Maybe you could recreate the original 12 holes at Prestwick on a 33 acre parcel of land next to the Lido redux in WI


Cheers
Ben

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2022, 01:09:51 PM »
Tom,

Maybe you could recreate the original 12 holes at Prestwick on a 33 acre parcel of land next to the Lido redux in WI



I thought about it, but the problem is still that you can only have a few players out there at any time without it getting dangerous.  As a private estate course, though, it would be a hell of a coup.

Thomas Dai

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2022, 01:22:47 PM »
Tom,
Maybe you could recreate the original 12 holes at Prestwick on a 33 acre parcel of land next to the Lido redux in WI
I thought about it, but the problem is still that you can only have a few players out there at any time without it getting dangerous.  As a private estate course, though, it would be a hell of a coup.
....... but with a ball (and clubs?) spec'd akin to the original 12-hole course era .......?
atb

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2022, 01:27:22 PM »
Tom,


Maybe you could recreate the original 12 holes at Prestwick on a 33 acre parcel of land next to the Lido redux in WI


Cheers
Ben


That is a cool idea, indeed!

Ben Stephens

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2022, 02:46:25 PM »
Tom,

Maybe you could recreate the original 12 holes at Prestwick on a 33 acre parcel of land next to the Lido redux in WI



I thought about it, but the problem is still that you can only have a few players out there at any time without it getting dangerous.  As a private estate course, though, it would be a hell of a coup.


I am sure there are ways around it like:


- Safety marshalls on certain parts of the course


OR


- Hired like a tennis court and have up to 12 people playing a hold each time


OR


- each hole is constructed with the safety margins in place - possibly will add more land.


Its amazing that they held a Open event with all these crossovers then.


Ben Stephens

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Re: The Original Twelve Holes at Prestwick
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2022, 02:48:43 PM »
Tom,
Maybe you could recreate the original 12 holes at Prestwick on a 33 acre parcel of land next to the Lido redux in WI
I thought about it, but the problem is still that you can only have a few players out there at any time without it getting dangerous.  As a private estate course, though, it would be a hell of a coup.
....... but with a ball (and clubs?) spec'd akin to the original 12-hole course era .......?
atb


Hickory clubs with the gutta percha ball max 225 yards ;D - sounds like the 1st hole would then be a huge challenge to get there in 3!