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David Harshbarger

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Looking for info for a colleague who is a member here. Course website says course is Donald Ross inspired. Course built in 1925.


Does anyone know the provenance of this course?


Thanks, Dave
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Mike Bodo

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The Donald Ross Society makes no mention of this being a Ross designed course. I did come across information that confirmed Ross Field Superintendent, Arthur Ham, being associated with the design of Knollwood (1925). Thus, the loose usage of the term "Ross inspired." Ham also designed Arbor Hills Golf Club in Jackson, MI (1925) and the Country Club of Jackson (1926). I could find no other architectural credits for him and it appears his work as an architect was very brief and limited to a few courses in Michigan.


Interestingly, Ross himself was doing a lot of work in the metro-Detroit area around the same time so perhaps these are courses he turned over to one of his junior associates or perhaps Art Ham left Donald Ross Associates briefly to try his hand at course design and wasn't successful attracting jobs and ultimately went back to work for DRA? He died in 1959. The fact he had no courses credited to him after 1926 is telling.


Chris Buie, a noted Donald Ross historian, could likely shed more light on Art Ham's role at DRA and his invovlement in the design of these courses than myself. What I can tell you having played the original Ham designed Country Club of Jackson 18 (Art Hills designed an additional nine hole course there in the 90's) is that it has a definite Ross feel and vibe to it. It's a really nice, underrated track and a legitimate "hidden gem" as few people know it exists. I've not played Knollwood and know little of it, but I know it doesn't receive the love and acclaim the elite clubs its surrounded by do, which isn't to say it isn't a fine course. It's always flied under the radar, much like the Country Club of Jackson.
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David Harshbarger

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Thanks Mike.
The trouble with modern equipment and distance—and I don't see anyone pointing this out—is that it robs from the player's experience. - Mickey Wright

Mike Schott

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Can't speak to the provenance but Knollwood looks like a fairly basic private course from what I have seen which is limited to a short time on the property and what I can see from driving by. It's long been referred to as the 3rd (of 3) in status and quality of the Detroit area Jewish membership courses. Behind #2 Tam O'Shanter and of course Franklin Hills.

David Harshbarger

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Thanks. Mike.


Great neighborhood they are in…
The trouble with modern equipment and distance—and I don't see anyone pointing this out—is that it robs from the player's experience. - Mickey Wright

Anthony Gholz

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David et al:


Yes Ham.  And I agree re the CC of Jackson.  The original 18 there is very good and they have started taking spruce trees out, long way to go, but well done so far.


Knollwood has a special place in my heart as it was the site of the first PGA event I ever saw: the 1963 Motor City Open.  Bruce Crampton the winner.  The field included Chi Chi teeing it up on a pencil to drive over the trees on #2 and Charlie Gifford with cigar in mouth at all times.  Chi Chi's mouth was going full time all the time.  He could out talk Lee.  Walter Burkemo, PGA champion 1953 at Birmingham (pro at Franklin at the time, later DGC) was also in the field.  Frank Stranahan played and will always be my least favorite golfer ever as he told me "Go away kid" when I asked for an autograph.  In retrospect he was on his way to the first tee.  Small crowds you could follow anybody.  Billie Maxwell, Hebert brothers, Casper, etc.


Knolllwood is an excellent Golden Age course with some 1/2 par holes and drivable par-4s etc.  Downhill par-3 16th well worth the view.  If Mr Ham only did CC of Jackson and Knollwood I'd say Michigan was the winner.


I will be playing Knollwood in the Michigan Seniors August event.  I will try to come back here and add if I see something interesting.


Anthony

David Harshbarger

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Thank you, Anthony. Great stories. Appreciate you sharing.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2022, 06:20:38 PM by David Harshbarger »
The trouble with modern equipment and distance—and I don't see anyone pointing this out—is that it robs from the player's experience. - Mickey Wright

Ronald Montesano

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By Andy, he means Anthony, unless his friends call him Andy...
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David Harshbarger

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By Andy, he means Anthony, unless his friends call him Andy...


I plead “auto-correct done me wrong.” Sorry bout that Anthony.
The trouble with modern equipment and distance—and I don't see anyone pointing this out—is that it robs from the player's experience. - Mickey Wright