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mike_malone

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« Last Edit: March 01, 2022, 10:50:27 PM by mike_malone »
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Bausch and Cirba are bad guys.
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2022, 06:04:48 PM »
Tree-felling has to be the most emotive activity anyone in landscape work can get involved in. I’ve literally had people banging on my door, hounding me and shouting at me for daring to commit such vandalism. It can often even reduce people to tears, so requires incredibly delicate handling.
Luckily, with proper permitting, but more especially, MASSIVE mitigation, folk can normally be pacified.
ALWAYS plant more trees than you remove.
ALWAYS use native species.
ALWAYS only fell outside of the bird-nesting season.
ALWAYS do the necessary species checks (bats, mammals, amphibians, etc.)
ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS do as much consultation as you can - and then do some more!!!
Easy!
F.


PS Good luck, boys!



The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

mike_malone

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Sorry for my bad joke. Still an article worth reading
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2022, 07:49:03 PM »
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Mike Sweeney

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Re: Sorry for my bad joke.
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2022, 07:52:11 PM »
I honestly don't understand why we can't discuss stuff like this.


I grew up playing at Cobbs Creek, and I am genuinely amazed at what Joe and Mike have brought (are bringing) to Philadelphia:





https://www.inquirer.com/news/cobbs-creek-golf-course-philadelphia-trees-clear-cut-20220228.html


To be candid, they (environmentalist) are taking advantage of a Political Machine to damage a really great project. I have been in touch with some old Philly friends in support of what Mike and Joe have done. It was in process before I contacted my friends, but they are TRYING to get the Ernie Els Foundation https://ernieels.com/foundation/ to get involved in the project, and MAYBE we someday get some Special Needs Caddies to support our Philly golfers.


Now if they need to blame someone for allowing Autistic Caddies to find purpose in their lives, they can all blame me. I am a BIG white guy with a double digit handicap, and nothing to lose!!


Thanks Mike and Joe for your amazing efforts. Send the tree brigade to Dustin's farm in NY we have lots of Caddy's for the project:






"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Bill Gayne

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Re: Sorry for my bad joke.
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2022, 08:01:28 PM »
Mike M,


It's ok because we're all newbies.


Bill

mike_malone

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Re: Sorry for my bad joke.
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2022, 10:49:24 PM »
I just should have left my silly joke out of it. I love absurd jokes but sometimes they fall flat and hurt people.
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Tim Martin

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Is anyone really shocked that there would be an environmentalist based groundswell against cutting down healthy trees? This isn’t confined to just golf courses and won’t stop anytime soon. I’m not sure what caddies have to do with tree felling or environmental issues but I’m rooting for the project as intended nonetheless.

Kyle Harris

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It takes guys from the NE/Philadelphia to understand how one can rib a guy from the NE/Philadelphia. I still remember my boss's look of horror as I called Steve Lapper "the right kind of asshole" to his face at dinner one night. Steve laughed. We understood. Our next drink together can't come soon enough.

These are conversations that both need to be welcomed and had. The tree removal thing, that is. Assumptions are made based on certain phrases and often times we don't discuss the important environmental impact (the difference between DEGREE/SCALE and PRESENCE, for example). It's healthy and unavoidable.

I look forward to the first photos of Bald Eagles, Ospreys, and other sexy-but-ultimately-unimportant top level predators upon re-opening of the golf courses. When do the neighbors start to complain about the coyotes?
http://kylewharris.com

Constantly blamed by 8-handicaps for their 7 missed 12-footers each round.

Thank you for changing the font of your posts. It makes them easier to scroll past.

Steve Lapper

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It takes guys from the NE/Philadelphia to understand how one can rib a guy from the NE/Philadelphia. I still remember my boss's look of horror as I called Steve Lapper "the right kind of asshole" to his face at dinner one night. Steve laughed. We understood. Our next drink together can't come soon enough.


Kyle,


  And as you know that drink is on me! ;D


  Well said!
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

MCirba

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Wish I had something productive to add at the moment, but please know that no one was offended Mayday.
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

Tommy Williamsen

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At a time when folks are planting trees to help improve the local air, combat the greenhouse effect, and help capture carbon dioxide, golf again is running contrary to prevailing opinions. I have non-golfing friends that can't understand why courses have  to cut down specimen trees.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2022, 05:57:20 PM by Tommy Williamsen »
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

MCirba

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Tommy,

Every case is different, I suspect.   


In this particular case there is no way to either A) restore three miles of debris-choked, flood-prone waterways through the property to the original creek-bed to ensure environmental improvements, flood control, and create 40 acres of wetlands and B) restore the original historical routing of the golf course that was lost when the US Army took over 15% of the original course property in the 1950s without tree removal on a significant scale.

If the Cobbs Creek Foundation hadn't stepped in golf on the site would have disappeared and the wonderful 106 year-old historic treasure would have been forever lost.   The entire 393.2 acres of property would have gone over to "open space" which sounds great in theory to some but let me add that it's been "unmaintained, un-managed, overgrown, and crime-ridden" open space since October 2020 when the last management company left and it's a site for litter dumping on a mass scale, large scale drinking parties with hundreds of empties on the course(s), vandalism,  drug deals, dead bodies, and other rampant crime as well as large, compromised trees that are falling in piece and in whole, and sewers overflowing into the creeks during heavy rains.   I know the article makes the place sound like a wooded Disney land full of joyful little creatures frolicking throughout but it's hardly reality.

The net environmental impact on the property from the project is very positive and I hope the powers that be realize that the groups who are opposed would oppose any development, for any reason.   Enough...too much probably, said.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2022, 11:37:52 AM by MCirba »
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

Thomas Dai

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Let’s ignore trees for the moment and concentrate on something else. Something that tends to flourish when trees aren’t around. Grass.
Is grass good for the environment?
Does grass absorb carbon dioxide?

And does grass grow better when it’s not competing with trees for light and water and nutrients in the soil?
Maybe grass that’s heavily manicured and flourishes via the hand of man and uses man’s tools such as powered irrigation systems and substances that man spreads or sprays on it may not be as environmentally friendly as naturally growing grass but are grassed areas good and useful not just for golf but for the environment?
Just asking.
Atb

JESII

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Great post Mike Cirba!


The net effect to the environment, and locale, of this project is so overwhelmingly positive that it’s unreasonable to protest it at all.

MCirba

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Thank you, Jim...looking forward to hosting you.


Twice.  ;)
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

Tommy Williamsen

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Tommy,

Every case is different, I suspect.   


In this particular case there is no way to either A) restore three miles of debris-choked, flood-prone waterways through the property to the original creek-bed to ensure environmental improvements, flood control, and create 40 acres of wetlands and B) restore the original historical routing of the golf course that was lost when the US Army took over 15% of the original course property in the 1950s without tree removal on a significant scale.

If the Cobbs Creek Foundation hadn't stepped in golf on the site would have disappeared and the wonderful 106 year-old historic treasure would have been forever lost.   The entire 393.2 acres of property would have gone over to "open space" which sounds great in theory to some but let me add that it's been "unmaintained, un-managed, overgrown, and crime-ridden" open space since October 2020 when the last management company left and it's a site for litter dumping on a mass scale, large scale drinking parties with hundreds of empties on the course(s), vandalism,  drug deals, dead bodies, and other rampant crime as well as large, compromised trees that are falling in piece and in whole, and sewers overflowing into the creeks during heavy rains.   I know the article makes the place sound like a wooded Disney land full of joyful little creatures frolicking throughout but it's hardly reality.

The net environmental impact on the property from the project is very positive and I hope the powers that be realize that the groups who are opposed would oppose any development, for any reason.   Enough...too much probably, said.


Mike, you're preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, my non-golfer friends don't really understand the total picture. Cutting down trees on golf courses does good things for the environment as well.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

MCirba

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Tommy,


Well understood, thanks!
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

John Kavanaugh

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Tommy,


For my personal education. How does cutting healthy trees down on a golf course ever help the environment?

Kyle Harris

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Tommy,


For my personal education. How does cutting healthy trees down on a golf course ever help the environment?


Healthy trees are trying to change their environment exclusively for their own health, too.

In other words, ask the plant it's shading out.
http://kylewharris.com

Constantly blamed by 8-handicaps for their 7 missed 12-footers each round.

Thank you for changing the font of your posts. It makes them easier to scroll past.

Ed Brzezowski

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Wish I had something productive to add at the moment, but please know that no one was offended Mayday.




well let's not go that far
We have a pool and a pond, the pond would be good for you.

MCirba

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"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/