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Chris Roselle

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Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« on: February 17, 2022, 11:20:39 AM »
Live Video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=1060356374758418

So sad.  Hopefully nobody was injured and they are able to salvage some of the history and memorabilia housed in that iconic clubhouse.

Tom Allen

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2022, 11:21:41 AM »
Am following the developments on Twitter.  Latest info was roof collapsed.  Looks like it will be a terrible loss.  The history. :(


MCirba

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2022, 11:33:04 AM »
Prayers for everyone onsite.
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Bill Seitz

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2022, 11:37:23 AM »
I hate to use the word tragic when it comes to (hopefully only) property loss, but what a shame, and it looks like they may lose a lot of history and memorabilia, which is really sad.  I've been fortunate to play there a number of times, once for the member guest, and spent a lot of time in that building, and it's just such a cool place to be.  This is very sad, and I can only hope no one was hurt.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2022, 11:59:25 AM »
I'm just reposting Chris' info in more readable form:



Live Video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=1060356374758418


So sad.  Hopefully nobody was injured and they are able to salvage some of the history and memorabilia housed in that iconic clubhouse.
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Chris Roselle

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2022, 12:37:03 PM »
I'm just reposting Chris' info in more readable form:



Live Video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=search&v=1060356374758418


So sad.  Hopefully nobody was injured and they are able to salvage some of the history and memorabilia housed in that iconic clubhouse.


Thanks Joe.

Jim_Coleman

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2022, 01:39:20 PM »
   When we had tornadoes in the area many years ago, members volunteered to risk their lives to attempt to divert them towards the clubhouse. Alas, science prevailed.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2022, 06:06:23 PM »
It is a total loss.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2022, 07:48:46 PM »
Terrible news.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2022, 11:07:06 PM »
Not that it replaces the historical elements, but I assume any club would certainly have insurance to cover things like this?

Tim_Cronin

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2022, 11:59:34 PM »
The Detroit News reported that in the early minutes, when the fire was still confined to the attic, members told firefighters where to go to get key pieces of memorabilia. They were brought back to members at the front entrance, and several runs – literal runs – were made for historical items, at least on the first floor. So thanks to brave firefighters, some things were saved.


They ought to get a free round or three in the summer.
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Jeff Schley

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2022, 12:03:40 AM »
The Detroit News reported that in the early minutes, when the fire was still confined to the attic, members told firefighters where to go to get key pieces of memorabilia. They were brought back to members at the front entrance, and several runs – literal runs – were made for historical items, at least on the first floor. So thanks to brave firefighters, some things were saved.


They ought to get a free round or three in the summer.
Indeed Tim, most clubs are willing to take care of local civil services on Mondays and I think this would necessitate a run of the club sometime this summer for sure for the backdraft crews.
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Peter Flory

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2022, 12:24:37 AM »
I'm assuming that they'll try to rebuild in the same style since it was so iconic.  And if they are going to do that, then it's probably not a stretch to try to make it look exactly the same.  It will be interesting to see if they can capture the elegance with modern construction.


That is great to hear about the fireman helping out with the artifacts.  I was hoping that would be the case since a lot of it was close to exits. 

Tim_Cronin

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2022, 12:44:17 AM »
I'm assuming that they'll try to rebuild in the same style since it was so iconic.  And if they are going to do that, then it's probably not a stretch to try to make it look exactly the same.  It will be interesting to see if they can capture the elegance with modern construction.


That is great to hear about the fireman helping out with the artifacts.  I was hoping that would be the case since a lot of it was close to exits.


When Shoreacres' clubhouse burned, the members decided to not just rebuild, but duplicate it, inside and out.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2022, 08:23:47 AM »
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Jeff Schley

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2022, 02:31:43 AM »
Very sad, although we have numerous examples of great golf clubs who have rebuilt and as time passes the new structure becomes part of the club again.  What great clubs have lost their clubhouse to fire?  I know Shoreacres did in the 80's and think Chicago Golf lost their original early. Bel-Air didn't even have a fire, but are totally tearing down and building a brand new clubhouse as we speak and they had a pretty darn good one.

What others lost theirs to a fire?
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Mike Bodo

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2022, 07:33:21 AM »
Very sad, although we have numerous examples of great golf clubs who have rebuilt and as time passes the new structure becomes part of the club again.  What great clubs have lost their clubhouse to fire?  I know Shoreacres did in the 80's and think Chicago Golf lost their original early. Bel-Air didn't even have a fire, but are totally tearing down and building a brand new clubhouse as we speak and they had a pretty darn good one.

What others lost theirs to a fire?
I caddied at OHCC in the mid-80's. While this is a tragic and sad event, it does and doesn't come as surprise. For starters, a similarly built and constructed clubhouse at Western Golf and Country Club in Redford, MI (Ross), where I was a member at the time, caught fire and burnt to the ground several years prior. It was an all wood clubhouse, same as OHCC, designed by the same architect, Albert Kahn. Western's clubhouse did not have a sprinkler system installed at the time of its demise, which made it impossible to suppress or extinguish the flames once the building caught fire at 5:30 AM on June, 1 2018 with no one present in or outside the building. Given its proximity to OHCC, the history the two clubhouses shared and the money that club has, you'd hope they would have a sprinkler system installed to prevent such a historic structure from realizing the same fate as Western's. I can't speak to whether they did or didn't, but it seems odd that like Western, it caught fire and once it did there was no stopping the clubhouse from being engulfed in flames, as the wood used to build these structures was so dry and had so many layers of paint applied that they went up like tinderboxes.


Unlike OHCC, Western didn't have the money to attempt to replicate the original clubhouse. Instead, it had something more contemporary looking built using a combination of stone, wood and vinyl (low maintenance). While the clubhouse is nice (I played there last Oct.), it doesn't have the same feeling or character the original, old clubhouse had for sure. The building stands out like sore thumb sandwiched between the pool house (also constructed by Albert Kahn) and the Pro Shop/Admin building. These buildings were designed with the intent to complement the original clubhouse. Now it looks like a cobbled mess between old and the new. Fortunately or unfortunately, OHCC has only one building or structure to concern itself with. Rumor has it that they are going to try and attempt to rebuild the original clubhouse, which I think is a mistake, unless they are going to use vinyl for the exterior. All wood clubhouses are impractical from a cost and maintenance standpoint. You're only asking for trouble, as it's not a matter of if the structure will one day catch fire, but when.


The original clubhouse at Washtenaw Golf Club in Ypsilanti, MI (oka Washtenaw Country Club) caught fire and burnt down in 1980. It was a beautiful all-wood manor style clubhouse. They replaced it with an all brick ranch-styled clubhouse and painted it white on the exterior to have it somewhat feel like the original. It was poorly designed and the club had to borrow money to pay for its completion. With declining membership, they could never hope to repay they debt they owed and the club filed for bankruptcy in the early 2000's. OHCC doesn't have to concern itself with that happening to them regardless how much the rebuild costs, but I think it would be foolish on multiple levels for them to go with an all-wood building again, as why tempt fate - even with a state of the art sprinkler system installed?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2022, 07:55:57 AM »
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Mike Bodo

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Re: Oakland Hills CC clubhouse fire
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2022, 08:51:17 AM »
Take a tour of the new clubhouse @ Western:


https://www.westerngcc.com/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=394311&ssid=278160&vnf=1
The club did a great job with the budget they had replacing the original clubhouse. It's a nice building and had you never spent time in or seen the original clubhouse you'd think it was awesome. Problem is it doesn't fit with the design and color scheme of the two buildings adjacent to it. That said, I heard the club plans to redo the pool building in the future and have it resemble the clubhouse, which is a smart idea. Eventually, the building the pro shop and former admin offices are in will eventually need to be demolished and built anew giving all three structures a cohesive look. I wish them well, as it's a great club with a great membership.
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Mike_Trenham

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David Ober

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