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MCirba

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I've always enjoyed the "end of year" synopsis threads here and thought it might be interesting for folks to list courses they played for the first time this year with their associated "Doak Scale" score.   These threads generally foster some debate regarding particular course ratings and may help some plan for courses they'd like to visit in 2022.  Please feel free to add as much or as little commentary as you'd like to substantiate your score.

I've been really fortunate to get around a bit this year with 41 first time visits (great and small) and another 35 returns.   I'd like this thread to focus on the former as I think it will benefit from folks' first impressions.   I'm going to hold off on listing mine for a little bit as I think my post would also benefit from a bit of mental revisiting of each to weigh them as accurately as one can do in a admittedly subjective exercise.   Thanks for your forbearance.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2021, 02:28:57 PM by MCirba »
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John Kavanaugh

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I only recall one memorable course.


Spanish Bay 8

Andrew Harvie

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I had a decent year. 64 new golf courses with 10 return trips to places I like. Not bad for golf being illegal in Ontario for four weeks! Once the border opened, I was able to take two trips to the states which was great, and one more planned with a few more heavy-hitters hopefully.

Kittansett - 8
San Francisco Golf Club - 8
Somerset Hills - 8
California Golf Club - 8
Bandon Dunes - 7
Balitmore (Five Farms) - 7
Olympic Club - 6
Lancaster - 6
Old Macdonald - 6
Mount Bruno - 6
Philly Cricket (Wissahickon) - 6
Grand-Mere - 6
Waskesiu - 6
Sheep Ranch - 6 
Presidio - 5
Lake Merced - 5
Burlington - 5
Lachute (No. 1) - 5
Rocky Crest - 4
Beaconsfield - 4
Wildfire - 4
TPC Harding Park - 4
Clear Lake - 4
Kanawaki - 4
Bond Head (South) - 4
King Links - 4
Cooke Municipal - 4
Richmond (BC) - 4
Le Diable - 4
Niagara on the Lake - 4
Bond Head (North) - 4
Northwood (CA) - 4
Manoir Richelieu - 3
Granite Hills (MB) - 3
Taboo - 3
Ki-8-Eb - 3
Credit Valley - 3
Le Maitre - 3
Bridgwater - 3
Corica Park (South) - 3
L'Ile de Montreal (Ireland) - 3
Sainte-Agathe - 3
Gleneagles (BC) - 3
Glenboro - 3
Dunany - 3
Stanley Park - 3
Elk Ridge (SK) - 2
Calerin - 2
Murray Bay - 2
Port Hope - 2
Angus Glen (South) - 2
Shilo - 2
Sharp Park - 2
Haggin Oaks - 2
BraeBen - 1
Les Ruisseaux - 1
Hockley Valley - 1
Northlands - 0




Return trips


Pacific Dunes - 9
St. George's - 7
Sagebrush - 7
Bandon Trails - 7
Lookout Point - 6
Cherry Hill - 6
Muskoka Bay - 6
Tarandowah - 5
TPC Toronto (Heathlands) - 5
Devil's Pulpit - 4
Henderson Lake - 3
« Last Edit: November 27, 2021, 11:26:13 PM by Drew Harvie »
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Ian Mackenzie

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May River - 6
The Country Club - 8
Round Hill - 6
Old Stanwich - 5
LACC North - 9
Chechessee - 7
« Last Edit: November 27, 2021, 03:50:48 PM by Ian Mackenzie »

Tim Martin

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May River - 6
The Country Club - 8
Round Hill - 6
Old Stanwich - 5
LACC North - 9
Chechessee - 7


Old Sandwich or Stanwich?

Rob Marshall

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I had a decent year. 64 new golf courses with 10 return trips to places I like. Not bad for golf being illegal in Ontario for four weeks! Once the border opened, I was able to take two trips to the states which was great, and one more planned with a few more heavy-hitters hopefully.

Kittansett - 8
San Francisco Golf Club - 8
Somerset Hills - 8
California Golf Club - 8
Bandon Dunes - 7
Balitmore (Five Farms) - 7
Olympic Club - 6
Lancaster - 6
Old Macdonald - 6
Mount Bruno - 6
Philly Cricket (Wissahickon) - 6
Grand-Mere - 6
Waskesiu - 6
Presidio - 5
Lake Merced - 5
Burlington - 5
Lachute (No. 1) - 5
Rocky Crest - 4
Beaconsfield - 4
Wildfire - 4
TPC Harding Park - 4
Clear Lake - 4
Kanawaki - 4
Bond Head (South) - 4
King Links - 4
Cooke Municipal - 4
Richmond (BC) - 4
Le Diable - 4
Niagara on the Lake - 4
Bond Head (North) - 4
Northwood (CA) - 4
Manoir Richelieu - 3
Granite Hills (MB) - 3
Taboo - 3
Ki-8-Eb - 3
Credit Valley - 3
Le Maitre - 3
Bridgwater - 3
Corica Park (South) - 3
L'Ile de Montreal (Ireland) - 3
Sainte-Agathe - 3
Gleneagles (BC) - 3
Glenboro - 3
Dunany - 3
Stanley Park - 3
Elk Ridge (SK) - 2
Calerin - 2
Murray Bay - 2
Port Hope - 2
Angus Glen (South) - 2
Shilo - 2
Sharp Park - 2
Haggin Oaks - 2
BraeBen - 1
Les Ruisseaux - 1
Hockley Valley - 1
Northlands - 0




Return trips


Pacific Dunes - 9
St. George's - 7
Sagebrush - 7
Bandon Trails - 7
Lookout Point - 6
Cherry Hill - 6
Muskoka Bay - 6
Tarandowah - 5
TPC Toronto (Heathlands) - 5
Devil's Pulpit - 4
Henderson Lake - 3


Decent? I’d like to see what a great year looks like.. ;D ;D
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

John Kavanaugh

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Is there an essay required with this rater application?

Joe Perches

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The Links at Rolling Hills (was Sevillano Links) - Corning, CA - 6 - Cartball, but at least it's good cartball.  Its previous claim to fame was playing it as a possible all par 5 course.  Nominally designed by John Daly but really by Clive Clark/Mike Stark.  Really wonderful broad scope visuals, and it's a pleasant course with a couple quirky holes.  I'd happily play there again when it's not too hot and summery if every I drive again from Los Angeles to Bandon.  I'll avoid staying at the attached casino next time.

Sheep Ranch - Bandon, OR - 6-7 - Played twice.  Relatively easy to play/walk.  Nice visuals.  Might be higher if all the other Bandon Dunes courses weren't so close by.  Perhaps my least favorite of the 5 18 hole courses there, but still a very nice play.

The Harvester Club - Rhodes, IA - 6-7 - outstanding conditioning with some really odd holes like 7 and 18.

Iron Horse - Ashland, NE - 1-2 - I think 14 is a good hole.  Pity about the par 5s and everything else.  Meh.  Conditions weren't terrible.  But it's bad cartball routed through an unrelated housing development.  I wanted my time back.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2021, 05:18:29 PM by Joe Perches »

MCirba

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Now we're cooking.
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mike_malone

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 Tavistock 6
 I played a lot of golf but apparently at places I have seen before.


It was my first time playing all of the top 6 Flynns in Philly in the same year.


 Lancaster 7
 Huntingdon Valley 7
 Lehigh 7
 Manufacturers 6
 Philly CC. 6



AKA Mayday

Dan_Callahan

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2021, 05:37:33 PM »
NGLA - 9. I had high expectations and they were exceeded. Liked it even better the 2nd time around. And it feels like one of those courses that gets more fun the better you know it.


Maidstone - 8. The holes out in the dunes are 10s. The rest of the course more like a 6 or 7. Puts it at an 8 for me.


Keney Park - 6. Really good muni in Connecticut. My first play since the renovation. Might be the 2nd-best muni in New England.


Cape Arundel - 6. Very short. On a tiny piece of land so balls flying everywhere on wrong fairways. Would be way more enjoyable on a slow day, but it was packed when I was there. Head on a swivel. Crazy greens that were fun to putt, but I think would get annoying if I played there a lot. A one-putt was a rare occurrence.


Blue Hill - 4. Nicely conditioned, but unimaginative design. Outside of the opening hole, I can’t really remember any other holes.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2021, 06:10:07 PM »
Zero, but may make it to Sheep Ranch if conditions (mine and weather) are in sync.

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2021, 06:56:25 PM »
Plantation (Indio): 7 (a lot because of conditioning, look, and feel, but that helps make it fun)
Marriott Shadow Ridge: 5.5
Desert Willow-Mountain View: 5
Claremont: 6
Berkeley: 4.5
Corica Park North (first nine): 4 (played without cups; could change later)
Round Hill: 4.5
Whitehawk Ranch: 4.5

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2021, 07:30:10 PM »
I played a few new courses, but for now I'll just focus on the big ones on my Wisconsin Trip:

Naga-Waukee Golf Course - 3 or 4. Probably a 3. It makes good use of elevation, has some good doglegs that make you think. There are one or two slightly goofy holes that keep it from being a 4, most likely.

Mammoth Dunes - Probably a solid 6. I almost think it would be a 5 if it weren't for Sand Valley right there. I didn't appreciate how little separation there was at MD.

Sand Valley - 8 I think. I'd have traveled to WI to play it without Mammoth Dunes, but wouldn't have traveled to play MD without SV. I played one day from the tips, and one day from about 6200 yards. Both days were a fun challenge and made for a really good experience. I appreciated the "grind" and how varied the options were.

Lawsonia Links - 7. It's not worth a trip on its own, but it's very solid and nearly unique in the world of golf so far as I can tell.

Lac la Belle - 4 is as high as I can go for this. Except for the better conditioning, I'd honestly rather play at Naga-Waukee again before going to Lac la Belle again. Ten rounds between them might be split 7/3 or 8/2 in favor of NW. So I guess really I'm saying a 3, but that feels so out of character with the cost and "experience" and so on that it's probably not a 3.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2021, 08:01:49 PM »
I did not play all of these, but these are the new courses that I saw this year:


The Cradle, Pinehurst.  Lovely venue for golfers of all ages and lifestyles.  Just enough challenge in the green sites to make it fun; perhaps a few too many bunkers, considering the audience.  6.


Pinehurst #4.  This is the third version of this course I've seen, and the best of them.  The par-5 holes are really good, except for the obligatory pond hole at the 14th.  The two par-3 holes on the front were both card-wreckers for the average golfer, without any water in play.  6.


Aiken Golf Club.  A wild routing over a roller-coaster site, with some very quirky featuring.  Lots of fun at a bargain cost.  6. 


Tree Farm.  Too early to tell for sure, but it looks like a very promising project.


Sweetens Cove.  I was surprised to find that the darling of social media is built in a flood plain, and gets very soggy when it rains.  In its best spots, it reminds me of the work of Mike Strantz, from the super cool and severe hazards right down to the too-abrupt contours for the short game.  It's more than the sum of its parts, yet there really wasn't a single great hole in the nine.  6.


Muskegon CC.  A hidden gem of Michigan, routed through low dunes just a mile from Lake Michigan.  Lovely contours to the fairways, but kind of a shame they didn't get more out of them; the greens are interesting but feel "built" rather than laying on the ground.  Par-3 holes too much alike.  6.


The Sheep Ranch.  Bill Coore's routing for this compact site put to shame our own attempts from twenty years ago, but he did move some big chunks of dirt to make it happen.  Quite short overall, but there are some very good long holes in the mix, including the "volcano" 11th and an ode to the 13th at Augusta I didn't see coming.  Favorite hole was the par-4 4th; it took me quite a while to sort out where that was on our old plan!  8.


Lido.  Only 13 holes are seeded so we will have to wait and see, but the boldness of the contouring of a totally created site is quite stunning.  Not sure I'm a big fan of the famous Channel hole, but the Alps and Punchbowl are dramatic versions of the famous templates, and holes like the long par-4 2nd and the Cape 5th and Tom Simpson's 15th and the Long 17th all snuck up on me.  Still have to finish Raynor's Prize Dog-Leg, the Biarritz, and Mackenzie's finishing hole.


St. Patrick's.  I left the site in late October of 2019 with all but the 6th green shaped, but only a handful of bunkers; my crew finished it up in 2020 while I abstained from flying in the pandemic.  I knew that the site was beautiful and the routing highlighted its features, but it's still unexpected for anyone to say they think a new course of mine is my best work to date.  The best part of the course are the amazing contours in the fairways and approaches, most of which we managed to leave alone and incorporate into play.  9.


Charleston Municipal.  Great revival of a busy little course.  It's very very flat, but the use of pint-sized template greens on the back nine provides great interest, especially the Redan 11th and the drive-and-pitch 17th.  6.


Glenway GC, Madison, WI.  Renovation of a pedestrian nine holes into something much more intriguing.  Lots of fallaway greens -- possibly too many given the soils.  The 7th hole is the standout.  4 or 5, which is not bad since they started with a 2.


Schoolhouse Nine, Sperryville VA.  Nine hole par-3 course that now serves as a community hub for this small town at the foot of Shenandoah National Park.  Not a dull green in the bunch, but maybe could have used a couple more truly short holes, as the lengths of the holes were consistently tough for the beginners I played with.  5.


Lions Municipal GC, Austin, TX.  This was the course where Ben Crenshaw learned to play golf, and now he is trying to save it from being downsized or developed over by the University of Texas which owns the land.  There are a few really difficult holes, including the par-4 7th where Ben Hogan wondered where the fairway was; beautiful stands of live oaks encroach on several fairways.  For some reason several holes on the front nine were re-routed when Ben was in college, and wondering why helped lead to his interest in golf course design.  I hope he gets to put it back the way it was.  5.




Places I got back to:


Crystal Downs - 10
Muirfield - 10
National Golf Links - 10
Royal Dornoch - 10
Pacific Dunes - 10


North Berwick - 9
Seminole - 9
Camargo - 8
Streamsong Blue - 8


Brora - 7
Dornick Hills - 7
Old Macdonald - 7
Sebonack - 7
Tobacco Road - 7
World Woods (Pine Barrens) - 7


Memorial Park - 6
Musselburgh (Old) - 6 [a substantial upgrade]
Renaissance Club - 6
Rochester G & CC, MN - 6


Pine Needles - 5
World Woods (Rolling Oaks) - 5

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2021, 08:07:24 PM »
Dornick Hills - 7
Old Macdonald - 7
Sebonack - 7


Dornick Hills as good as OM and Sebonack? Tom, what did you give it pre-renovation?

Tom_Doak

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2021, 08:14:04 PM »
Dornick Hills - 7
Old Macdonald - 7
Sebonack - 7


Dornick Hills as good as OM and Sebonack? Tom, what did you give it pre-renovation?


Well, I guess I should hedge that considering the course was still mostly dirt last time I saw it, and I haven’t had a chance to play it.  The “before” score probably should have been a 4 because the greens were a train wreck, but I might have said it was a 5 because of the history.

Bill Gayne

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2021, 08:31:12 PM »
Still impacted by COVID, I only jumped on an airplane once but saw a lot of great golf in driving distance to Virginia.


Pine Needles 6
Mid Pines 6
Yeamans Hall 7
Crystal Coast Country Club 3
Country Club of Virginia River Course 4
Audobon Park 5
Pete Dye Golf Club 7
Merion East 10
Merion West 6
Rolling Green 7
Florence Golf Club (AKA Sand Pines) 3
Bandon Dunes 9
Pacific Dunes 10
Bandon Trails 8
Old Macdonald 8
Sheep Ranch 7
University of Maryland Golf Course 2
Palmetto 6
Aiken 6
Forest Hills 4
Hackensack 6
Essex County 7
Baltusrol 8
Pine Valley 10
Belmont Golf Course 5 (I really liked what I saw in muni golf at Belmont, Aiken, and Audubon Park. Looking forward to seeing Charleston Muni and am hopeful for East Potomac Park)
« Last Edit: November 27, 2021, 10:26:19 PM by Bill Gayne »

Michael Moore

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2021, 08:45:37 PM »
I was very fortunate to play sixteen new courses this year. I ain't using the Doak scale as I have my own. If you get invited to Hyannisport on a nice day, drop everything.
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Stewart Abramson

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2021, 10:04:55 PM »
This was a strange golf year for me.  I moved to Florida from the NYC metro area at the end of October 2020 and retired at the end of January 2021. I played more than 100 different courses (more courses and rounds than I've ever played in any prior year) of which 30 were new to me. I played dozens of inexpensive publics located in and between Orlando and Tampa, most of which are DS 2's and 3's.


The only real new (to me) highlights of the year were Tobacco Road on my initial drive down to Florida and Ridgewood CC on a visit to NJ. Both probably DS 7's, but I like TR more. 2022 should be a better year with a long awaited trip to Aberdeen and the Highlands.


If I can format it, I'll attach a list of the 30 new courses played  (including one that will open next year that I only walked.


The remainder of my top ten of the year were courses I've played numerous times before, including my primary courses in FL and NJ


Whippoorwill
8
Sleepy Hollow
8
Forsgate Banks
7
Rivervale
5
Southern Dunes
5
Streamsong Red
7.5
Streamsong Black
7.5
Streamsong Blue
7.5




First Time Played:

DS
Mangrove BaySt Pete FL
11-Nov
3
The Claw @ USFTampaFL
6-Nov
2
Legends @ ClermontClermontFL
4-Nov
3
Stonegate @ Solavita - CypressKissimmeeFL
6-May
3
Hawks LandingOrlandoFL
12-Apr
2
Orange Lake - ReserveOrlandoFL
1-Apr
3
Schalamar CreekLakelandFL
31-Mar
2
Cleveland HeightsLakelandFL
8-Mar
3
River GreenAvon ParkFL
4-Mar
3
Big CypressLakelandFL
15-Feb
3.1
Grenlefe SouthHaines CityFL
13-Feb
1
Oaks NationalKissimmeeFL
12-Feb
2
Stonegate @ Solavita - OaksKissimmeeFL
21-Jan
3
SandpiperLakelandFL
18-Jan
3.1
Mystic Dunes CelebrationFL
7-Jan
3.1
CypresswoodWinter HavenFL
9-Dec
2
Lake Wales CCLake WalesFL
20-Dec
2
Highlands ReserveDavenportFL
13-Dec
4
WillowbrookWinter HavenFL
11-Nov
2
White HeronDavenportFL
3-Nov
3
Sunset ValleyPompton PlainsNJ
15-Jul
3
Hendricks FieldBellevilleNJ
11-Aug
4
Ridgewood East &WestParamusNJ
25-Aug
7
Swan LakeSwan LakeNY
2-Aug
3
Resorts CatskillsKiamesha LakeNY
3-Aug
4
Vails Grove 9BrewsterNY
5-Aug
2.5
PehquenaconckNorth SalemNY
5-Aug
2.5
Bay MeadowsQueensburyNY
13-Aug
1
Sycamore CCRavenaNY
16-Aug
2
Tobacco RoadSanfordNC
31-Oct
7.5



Courses scored 3.1 are 3's that I would be happy to return to

jeffwarne

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2021, 10:20:02 PM »
An interesting year with no overseas trips till September.


Courses I saw for first time
St. Patrick's-(2 plays)  9 (amazing course and views-only thing keeping it from a 10 are a few difficult walks,but that's the price of some views) I prefer it to many courses rated ahead of it after its remarkable debut at 55 in world.
Southern Pines (2 plays)          7 (pretty raw condition but plenty of fun tee shots and interesting greens)
Wolf Point 8
Memorial Park 6.5
Midland Country Club 3
Tree Farm                  ? great site and great work so far
Renovation at Narin and Portnoo(have played it many times before)-this made me sad-I'm hoping I was just not observing very well that day.


Courses i saw again-having a 22 year old son who recently caught the golf bug led me to return to some amazing GCA rated places I don't normally seek out(having been fortunate enough to play them already several times)
Goat Hill-many times 5
Southampton 6.5
Palmetto 7
Aiken GC 6
Augusta CC  5 (hopefully they get the ship turned around on yet another renovation in May-there's a 7  in there somewhere)
Fisher's Island  9
Friar's Head(2x) 7
NGLA(2x) 9
Maidstone 8
Shinnecock 8
Cradle-3-(mats and 60 yard shots)
Portsalon 7.5 (just have a soft spot there)
Northwest Golf Club 6.5
Dunfanaghy 5
Cruit 5
Rosapenna OTM 6.5
Rosapenna Sandy Links 6.5 (I have never rated it this high but it is so improved and has many great holes-potential to be a 7 plus)
Huntington CC 6.5
Engineers  7
Old Oaks 6-much improved
Bethpage Red 6
Fresh Meadow 5.5
North Hills 3.5
Rolling Hills 4
Rockaway Hunt Club 6
The Hamlet 1
Cold Spring 5
Pine Ridge 4
Shennecossett 6
Islands End 3.5
Forest Hills Augusta 4(formerly a 6)
Ohoopee 7.5
Diamant Dunes 6.5
El Cardenal 5.5














« Last Edit: December 08, 2021, 07:23:12 PM by jeffwarne »
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"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Adam_Messix

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2021, 11:07:44 PM »
Mike Cirba,


I know of one new course you played this year.  Saw your name on the pad at the green fee drop box!


Really curious as to your views on your new courses this year.

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2021, 11:09:57 PM »
What is a "point 5" on the DS? 


It doesn't seem that the scale, which is descriptive and not quantitative, is suited for 4.5's and the like.  You are either a 4 or a 5....read the scale descriptions and decide.
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2021, 04:12:54 AM »
It’s strange.


Perhaps unfairly, St. Patrick’s is the first course that I’m putting a huge hurdle on before declaring a final understanding of just how great it is (there’s no doubt it IS great).


Maybe my unwillingness to place it quite yet shows what a mockery rating courses is? (We should all be playing courses 10 or 15 times to really start to understand them - incidentally this is why I hate architects giving renovation reports on links courses after just a couple of visits. They have no idea how the course plays, none at all - design by numbers).


St. Patrick’s is a very different kind of links course to almost all others I have played. Whether it be width, fairway undulation or a set of shaped modern greens with significant movement, the course is out and out fun. The interest in and around the green is huge. What I’m really keen on finding out is whether the choice of shot for approach play / 2nd shots is tested as much as some of the other classic links. Do I end up running, punching, stinging, shaping and floating shots in to the greens dependent on where I drive and what the wind is doing… Until I find that out for definite, I’m not sure whether it moves up the Top-5 in Ireland or whether it remains at 6.


Doak score - who knows? Likely to finish a 9 I suspect.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Courses you played for the first time in 2021 with your Doak Scale score
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2021, 05:02:09 AM »
The most interesting course I played for the first time in 2021 was Knighton in Mid-Wales. 9-holes with square greens laid out by Harry Vardon before WW1 partly on the side of a steep hill and partly on a plateau on the hilltop. Steep slopes and cut-n-fill galore. Great fun but exasperating at the same time. How golf once was. Play it and learn. Even more so play it with yee olde day hickories etc and it should become apparent how difficult the game once was and how much easier it's become over he last 100+ years.
What DS rating would I give Knighton? No idea. It's one of those special category courses that I'll refer to as a 'PAL' .. 'play and learn'.
And up the road a few miles and worth a visit is the location near Rhayader where Alister MacKenzie laid out a not dissimilar 9-hole course in the 1920's. Another 'PAL', although regrettably one no longer played over.
Hardy folks were golfers back 100+ years ago.
atb