Southward Ho / distinctive Tillinghast holes

[Brad Klein]

A.W. Tillinghast variously championed, crafted, maybe even [size=78%]"invented" at least three distinct holes: Little Tilly par 3, Reef par-3 and Great Hazard par 5. All were on the original Southward Ho CC on Long Island (1923) and at least two (Reef and Great Hazard) are in various stages of restoration. Anyone know of any other Tillnghast courses that originally had all three holes? I have heard claims that Southward Ho is the only one.[/size]

[Mark McKeever]

Brad, do you think he get's credit for the moat hole as well?

[Brad Klein]

Not sure - where would some good examples of the Moat hole be? I did forget to credit him with the "double dogleg" par-5.

[Niall C]

Brad


Sadly I'm not familiar with Southward Ho, can you describe the holes or even better is their a link to some photos ?


Thanks


Niall

[Josh Bills]

Here is a 1930 aerial

[Kevin_Reilly]

SFGC of course has a Little Tilly (#13), and there is a discussion of its Reef hole (#4) here: 


https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?topic=60610.5   


In that thread, the question came up about whether there was a HHA or Great Hazard on the 9th hole.  I don't know if that question has been definitively answered.  There certainly was a large bunker hazard for the second shot.  Over the years there has been some talk about possibly restoring the bunkers, but nothing has ever been done.


There is a photo in this Twitter thread also of the 9th.


https://twitter.com/gfordgolf/status/1127218968630927360?s=20

[mark chalfant]

Brad,


I believe the ninth at Shackamaxon, NJ is either a moat hole or an island hole. Galen Hall and Wyoming Valley both in eastern PA may have moat features but I have not played them yet. I think Joe Bausch may have photos of these charming layouts.

[Chris Mavros]

The Moat hole at Galen Hall, which is a 193 yard par 3, the Fifteenth. 

[Ronald Montesano]

Moat Hole = Island Green?


#AskPhil

[Kyle Harris]

Moat Holes extant:

Abington Club (former Old York Road in an extremely comprised form, but the Moat still exists!)
Galen Hall

Coincidentally, the Tillinghast holes at Galen Hall are the weakest though still good.

[Bret Lawrence]

Herbert Barker built an island green at Atlantic City Country Club around 1909-1910. The hole change was reported as early as January 1909. The green was surrounded by a moat of water.  I’m not sure it was ever referred to as a moat hole, but it looked very similar to the green pictured above from Galen Hall. The moat hole is visible in earlier aerials of the course, but doesn’t appear to exist anymore.  On today’s course, the island green would have been located on the 16th hole.