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Bob Harrison

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2021, 03:47:02 AM »
How could you not be inspired by this landscape?  If the individual holes were ‘duds’ you might argue against the merit of St Georges, but they are not.  In most cases – particularly on the front nine – they are exhilarating and interesting.  So what if some American professional occasionally doesn’t get exactly the bounce he expects!
 
Bernard Darwin once wrote of Royal St Georges:
 
“One great characteristic – I think it is a beauty – of Sandwich, is the extraordinary solitude that surrounds the individual player.  We wind about in the dells and hollows among the great hills, alone in the midst of a multitude, and hardly ever realise that there are others playing on the links until we meet them at luncheon . . . This is nearly as my idea of heaven as is to be attained on any earthly links.
 
 With the turn at Sandwich the nature of the course begins to alter, and in place of doing threes – or per chance sevens – among the hills, we shall be travelling over the flatter ground in a series of steady fives, with, let us hope, an occasional four.  There are plenty of footholes – better, perhaps, than some on the way out – but they do not make the same appeal to the imagination nor are they so characteristic.”
 
Mine is one vote that St Georges and The Old Course are a long way superior to the other courses on the rota.


(Photos from The Open website)






Michael Whitaker

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2021, 04:26:38 AM »
It’s a fantastic and certainly the “quirkiest” after TOC. But really it’s just big, elegant and perfectly contoured.


That said, blind tee shot on 4, blind second on 5 with broken fairway, blind tee shot on 7 and approach shot over broken ground on 8 does add “quirk” to all of the beautiful undulating greens and fairways.


Great, great course.
Ali - upon reflection prompted by your post, there are more blind shots than I remembered. I think it was Tommy Armour who said blind shots are only blind the first time you play them. The mind is a dangerous thing!
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Sean_A

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2021, 04:30:12 AM »
How could you not be inspired by this landscape?  If the individual holes were ‘duds’ you might argue against the merit of St Georges, but they are not.  In most cases – particularly on the front nine – they are exhilarating and interesting.  So what if some American professional occasionally doesn’t get exactly the bounce he expects!
 
Bernard Darwin once wrote of Royal St Georges:
 
“One great characteristic – I think it is a beauty – of Sandwich, is the extraordinary solitude that surrounds the individual player.  We wind about in the dells and hollows among the great hills, alone in the midst of a multitude, and hardly ever realise that there are others playing on the links until we meet them at luncheon . . . This is nearly as my idea of heaven as is to be attained on any earthly links.
 
 With the turn at Sandwich the nature of the course begins to alter, and in place of doing threes – or per chance sevens – among the hills, we shall be travelling over the flatter ground in a series of steady fives, with, let us hope, an occasional four.  There are plenty of footholes – better, perhaps, than some on the way out – but they do not make the same appeal to the imagination nor are they so characteristic.”
 
Mine is one vote that St Georges and The Old Course are a long way superior to the other courses on the rota.


(Photos from The Open website)






I concur. It's TOC and Sandwich. All the other Open venues get the table scraps 😎.

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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2021, 07:23:27 AM »
Sean - you may be the first person in golfing history to blasphemously imply table scraps to a heavenly place like Turnberry!  But your emoji saved you!   ;)

Sean_A

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2021, 07:43:38 AM »
Sean - you may be the first person in golfing history to blasphemously imply table scraps to a heavenly place like Turnberry!  But your emoji saved you!   ;)

The entire rota is great courses and each course has its own identity and character. To each is own.

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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2021, 07:50:40 AM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
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Sean_A

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2021, 07:54:40 AM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2021, 09:00:37 AM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao
Not to mention the lunch!!!
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2021, 09:40:36 AM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao
Not to mention the lunch!!!


I am not one to play down the importance of lunch, but it is hard to argue that it has much influence on the quality of the course :)
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
www.golfcoursearchitecture.net

Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2021, 09:42:54 AM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao


Personally I think Portrush is the best course I have seen in these isles, but I wouldn't fight someone who said Sandwich was.
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
www.golfcoursearchitecture.net

Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Sean_A

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2021, 10:28:43 AM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao


Personally I think Portrush is the best course I have seen in these isles, but I wouldn't fight someone who said Sandwich was.

I've not seen the new version of Portrush. It could well give Sandwich a push. Although I prefer the terrain and greens at Sandwich.

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Michael Felton

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2021, 11:25:46 AM »
Can anyone point to specifically quirky holes, greens, features, etc? I get that lots of people say "it's quirky." But as a guy who's never been there, watching on a 2-dimensional medium, I'm not seeing tons of funk.


IMO the funky spots are:


Drive on 4 over the huge bunker
Green on 4 with the huge swale at the front and the bank on the left
Second on 5 through the gap in the dunes, but basically blind
Drive on 7, although from the back tee you can see more. From the regular tee you can see nothing but dunes and long grass
Green on 9 is wild - pin today is in a deep swale and you can see the way the ball is kicked towards it
Green on 10 up on top of the hill that falls away everywhere
Fairway on 12 is crazy
Drive on 13 from the left tee is another one where you can't see anything. Line is right edge of the Princes dormy house
Green on 15 which spits everything away on the right but kicks it in from the left
Fairway on 17 is like a big dome

Kalen Braley

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2021, 11:54:11 AM »
A point of clarification, when a few of you use the term Sandwich does this always mean Royal St. Georges?  Cause i see 3 courses in the immediate area.

Thanks in advance!

Michael Felton

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2021, 12:02:41 PM »
A point of clarification, when a few of you use the term Sandwich does this always mean Royal St. Georges?  Cause i see 3 courses in the immediate area.

Thanks in advance!


RSG is Sandwich. RCP is Deal. Princes is Princes.


Deal and RSG are about 1200 yards apart at their closest, but clubhouses are close to three miles apart. Similarly, Princes and RSG are about 4 feet apart at their closest and the clubhouses are a mile and a half apart. I suspect RSG's is the only clubhouse technically in Sandwich.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2021, 12:16:26 PM »
A point of clarification, when a few of you use the term Sandwich does this always mean Royal St. Georges?  Cause i see 3 courses in the immediate area.

Thanks in advance!

RSG is Sandwich. RCP is Deal. Princes is Princes.

Deal and RSG are about 1200 yards apart at their closest, but clubhouses are close to three miles apart. Similarly, Princes and RSG are about 4 feet apart at their closest and the clubhouses are a mile and a half apart. I suspect RSG's is the only clubhouse technically in Sandwich.


Thanks for the proverbial decoder ring Michael,  I think I can manage now.

P.S.  Is this a British thing like "We're in Barney" from Oceans 11?  ;D

Paul Jones

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2021, 12:24:26 PM »
I am disappointed with the nice weather.  Being one of the "quicker" courses, it would be fun to watch with wind and/or rain at least 1 day.  I am always more impressed with pros playing in tough conditions then hitting bombs in nice weather.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2021, 03:05:32 PM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao


Personally I think Portrush is the best course I have seen in these isles, but I wouldn't fight someone who said Sandwich was.


I can certainly get on board with Portrush and Sandwich as striking the perfect balance and hence being the best in GB&I.

Bill Gayne

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2021, 07:29:01 PM »
I seem to be the exception but I've played all the Open venues multiple times and St Geo. is OK but far from my favorite.  Like them all it's a beast in the wind and on the docile side on those rare calm days.  If character is our personal measure of a golf course, I'd take TOC, Turnberry, Muirfield, and Troon over St Geo. for Open venues.


Jaycee,


Not sure how you define "character" but agree with considering TOC, Turnberry, and Muirfeild the top third for Open courses. I would deviate and put Portrush fourth followed by RSG. Good cases can be made for Troon, Birkdale, and Carnoustie to all be in the top five of Open rota courses. These courses are at such a high level for championship golf and member play it seems that we're really just nit picking and splitting hairs.


Bill

Tim Martin

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2021, 08:00:44 PM »
After watching only briefly yesterday I couldn’t wait to wake at five this morning as the course looks terrific on television. I’m looking forward to a great weekend and pining for a play somewhere down the line. The overhead shots of the course really highlight some of the ground movement. WOW!!!!!!








V_Halyard

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2021, 08:01:08 PM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao


Personally I think Portrush is the best course I have seen in these isles, but I wouldn't fight someone who said Sandwich was.


It may have been as hot as Mykanos and played a little "lite winded" but it was a magnificent show.
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

Sean_A

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Re: Royal St Georges - the quirkiest course on the Open rota ?
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2021, 01:46:38 AM »
Most of the Open rota courses are quite conservative links as links go; they favour the 'championship test' side of things as against the sort of funky little links that are so popular on here. Not that they aren't great courses -- Muirfield, for example, is the archetype of the championship links, and is none the worse for that.


What makes George's different is that it is closer in spirit to the 'more linksy' links. I've said before that for me it is the perfect blend of championship test and real links. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a better course than Muirfield (though I think it is considerably better than Troon, Birkdale or Lytham, to name but three), but it is more true to the links spirit.

For many years I have thought Sandwich is the best course in GB&I. The blend of variety, championship qualities, playability and fun is outstanding.

Ciao


Personally I think Portrush is the best course I have seen in these isles, but I wouldn't fight someone who said Sandwich was.


It may have been as hot as Mykanos and played a little "lite winded" but it was a magnificent show.

Shouldn't it be hot as Hades at Sandwich? 😎

Ciao
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