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Kevin_Reilly

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Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« on: June 16, 2021, 12:50:57 AM »
Saw this today:


https://twitter.com/EurekaEarthPlus/status/1404817591189786634?s=20


Comments to original post give some context to the first picture.
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Matthew Rose

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2021, 06:21:17 AM »
Speculation seems to be that 11 is being shifted to allow for 15 to be lengthened. Seems like the most plausible scenario to me too.
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Jon Sweet

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2021, 07:10:10 AM »
Quote from: Matthew Rose on June 16, 2021, 06:21:17 AM
Speculation seems to be that 11 is being shifted to allow for 15 to be lengthened. Seems like the most plausible scenario to me too.
Can’t see needing to move the entire 11th to drop the 15th tee back a bit? It’s already quite a bit back as it is. Not sure where else they can go other than closer to the 10th green. Can’t shift it I would think as you’d be hitting over the 14th green.
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David_Tepper

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2021, 08:48:41 AM »
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2021, 02:56:49 PM »
A picture showing more of the tree clearing on 11. 


https://twitter.com/EurekaEarthPlus/status/1405100631547842562?s=20
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Jeff Schley

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2021, 08:06:40 AM »
Kevin I had to do a double take on the photo with the water drained by the green left.  What liner is that and they must have damned it off for the work being done.


Also the bunker liner right of the green.  Peeling back the makeup.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2021, 08:14:22 AM »
Can you say ? More spectator bottlenecks?
Thanks USGA for making ANGC clean up your mess
Pretty sure ANGC doesn't intend to go the way of Myopia Hunt Club(as great as it is for the rest of us)
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Dave Duevel

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2021, 08:58:15 AM »
Is Fazio still the major consultant, or is the club itself driving the bus on recent renovations?
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2021, 09:41:49 AM »
Any reason why 14 has never been extended, top looks easy do-able.


I guess the need 15 at 560 to restore the 'intent'...lot of work for that but money is no object of course.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2021, 09:50:05 AM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff on June 17, 2021, 09:41:49 AM
Any reason why 14 has never been extended, top looks easy do-able.


I guess the need 15 at 560 to restore the 'intent'...lot of work for that but money is no object of course.


14's been extended multiple times
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2021, 10:35:24 AM »
Room for another 50 though.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2021, 10:37:08 AM by Adrian_Stiff »
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Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2021, 11:22:30 AM »
So glad I'm not a member there  ;D ;D
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2021, 01:26:53 PM »
When probably the highest profile course/club in the game is undertaking this kind of activity does it send a good or bad message to the outside world about the game of golf?
Atb
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Mike_Trenham

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2021, 02:09:17 PM »
It’s time Augusta just has the tee shots cross over #11 and #15. 


The same thing should happen at nearly every other club in the world to restore the importance of long irons (or hybrids ??? [size=78%]) to the game at its highest levels.[/size]
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Jon Sweet

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2021, 02:24:03 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Dai on June 17, 2021, 01:26:53 PM
When probably the highest profile course/club in the game is undertaking this kind of activity does it send a good or bad message to the outside world about the game of golf?
Atb
They’re making changes for a once a year tournament for tees no member ever plays. For the explosion in length most your average players still hit it the same. Club I caddie at has a bunker that’s 280 front edge. I’ve caddied there 17 years and seen a member in it off the tee once. The ground was frozen.
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Neal_Meagher

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2021, 07:40:36 PM »
Now I'm no expert on Augusta National, having only attended the 1985 Masters, but if I didn't know better I would swear that a right side fairway bunker is being built on No. 11.  When you look at the collection of equipment gathered there in the newest aerial image that looks down the hole toward the green it just........well........ just looks like what, in my limited experience, seems to be a bunker about to happen.


And I know that massive loblolly pines and mature shrubs will be installed in and around that new back tee on No. 15, but it sure seems like if you are standing on it you would be able to hear drives from No. 11 whistling overhead.



« Last Edit: June 21, 2021, 07:45:34 PM by Neal_Meagher »
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jeffwarne

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2021, 08:04:19 PM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff on June 17, 2021, 10:35:24 AM
Room for another 50 though.

RE:14
It's 440 with an uphill drive, dogleg left with fairway sloping right with a treacherous green
Lots of stuff being hidden behind those trees
Nov 15, 2020; Augusta, Georgia, USA; A look at the no. 14 tee during the final round of the Masters golf tournament at Augusta National Golf Club. Mandatory Credit: Andrew Davis Tucker/The Augusta Chronicle
« Last Edit: June 21, 2021, 08:20:26 PM by jeffwarne »
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2021, 08:17:19 PM »
I fired up Google Earth and took a measurement.

It seems they could go another 40-45 yards straight back from the rear of 15 tee.  But Neal is certainly correct in that you would hear drives buzzing overhead from 11 tee, unless they are planning on shifting that tee box to the left too (they certainly have the room to do it)

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Kalen Braley

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Re: Changes Underway at 11 and 15 at ANGC?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2021, 08:25:55 PM »
I took a screenshot from approx the same angle for a side by side comparison:

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