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Bruce Katona

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So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« on: November 13, 2020, 03:25:04 PM »
Lost ball plugged in the rough 20 yards short and just left of the green as BDC tries to drive the green.....back to re-tee playing 3 from the tee.


If there were patrons, no way a lost ball occurs.


BDC asked the rules guy for casual water ruling which may have changes things.


The Green Blazers will not be thrilled with a lost ball (but better today than on national TV on Sunday, but maybe that is offset by the guy who was trying to bring their course to its knees.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2020, 03:26:36 PM »
DeChambeau is probably not going to get the benefit of the doubt from the Rules Committee that Tiger got in his prime!
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Jeff Schley

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2020, 03:32:15 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on November 13, 2020, 03:26:36 PM
DeChambeau is probably not going to get the benefit of the doubt from the Rules Committee that Tiger got in his prime!
Yeah especially when he keeps asking "anything we can do here?" like 4/5 times.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2020, 03:36:29 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Schley on November 13, 2020, 03:32:15 PM
Quote from: Tom_Doak on November 13, 2020, 03:26:36 PM
DeChambeau is probably not going to get the benefit of the doubt from the Rules Committee that Tiger got in his prime!
Yeah especially when he keeps asking "anything we can do here?" like 4/5 times.


Yea, It was odd, almost tough to watch, straight out begging over and over, until the official said "Sorry there is nothing I can do for you"


P.S.  He may be on tilt now, just butchered 4 and 5 too...
« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 03:43:28 PM by Kalen Braley »
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ward peyronnin

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2020, 05:59:14 PM »
Live by the sword die by it.

If BD knew he was going for the green he was derelict in not familiarizing with that are where no ball was really meant to land or he decided to take the risk or both. Either way I don't have near the sympathy the commentary expressed about how "unlucky" he was and that dude knows the rules you can be sure of that so the begging makes it even worse.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2020, 06:37:08 PM »
In his defense, BDC should claim that his higher ball speed impacting the ground puts  him most disadvantaged in the field :)


I haven't seen anything on this but he could be asking in other words is there enough (water, mud, soft ground) to have you declare a certain area as abnormal ground condition.  Something like that has been tried in the past at The Masters. I remember a tee shot left on 11 ending up on an unmarked pile of limbs.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2020, 06:43:32 PM »
I think he was trying to invoke the Embedded Ball rule in some fashion, and I may be wrong, but I thought you have to find it first, before it can be employed.
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jeffwarne

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2020, 06:49:12 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on November 13, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
I think he was trying to invoke the Embedded Ball rule in some fashion, and I may be wrong, but I thought you have to find it first, before it can be employed.


He was hoping for a ball lost in ground under repair or casual water ruling, where a ball cannot be "lost" in either condition.
When he pointed at a small puddle, the official basically said "it's not in there" and the area was not marked as GUR, though he could've asked for abnormal ground condition if he had found it in a muddy tire track.
Three provisionals in 1.5 rounds....hmmm.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2020, 08:31:48 PM »
Hard not to sympathize with him here. He hit a perfectly decent shot into 2" rough and never found it. It's not like he hit it in the woods or something. It's totally reasonable for him to explore all possible avenues of relief, given that it's the most important golf tournament in the world and we know beyond 95% certainty that the ball was embedded. He didn't complain when the official said no.


From golf.com:


"So what happened to the ball? It was there the entire time. A gallery guard found it just minutes after the official search had ended, no more than 10 feet off the fairway. The ball was plugged and only visible to someone right on top of it, but it was still shocking to essentially lose a Bridgestone in plain sight."
« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 08:34:44 PM by Matt_Cohn »
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JohnVDB

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2020, 08:46:26 PM »
If it wasn’t for the hated rough they’ve grown this year, he wouldn’t have lost it.  Guess they “Bryson-proofed” the course with that.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2020, 09:20:49 PM »
LOFT.


😅. JK
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Jim Hoak

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2020, 10:10:18 PM »
The best comment from today came from Curtis Strange, when he was asked about Bryson's comment that par for him on the ANGC course is 67.  Strange said that some things are ok to think, but are better left unsaid.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 10:12:00 PM by Jim Hoak »
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2020, 10:41:14 PM »
When we play high school matches in the spring in New England, coaches often agree on a local rule to address this situation because it’s so common. Courses are often soggy as hell in April and May, and it’s easy to lose a ball that lands in the middle of the fairway. If a ball is lost and everyone in the group agrees it was in play and simply plugged somewhere and can’t be found, the player gets a free drop with no penalty.
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Peter Flory

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2020, 11:55:37 PM »
With a 200 foot apex on his drive, that ball is probably about a foot underground. 
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Jeff Schley

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2020, 03:12:35 AM »
What we didn't see is all those helping him look for the ball shuffling their feet close to the ground hoping to step on it.  I'm assuming that is somehow against etiquette for perhaps you ahve to play it as it lies even if stepped on and embedded?
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2020, 03:43:17 AM »
Quote from: Jeff Schley on November 14, 2020, 03:12:35 AM
What we didn't see is all those helping him look for the ball shuffling their feet close to the ground hoping to step on it.  I'm assuming that is somehow against etiquette for perhaps you ahve to play it as it lies even if stepped on and embedded?


Jeff,
There is a rule for when your ball at rest is moved during search
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Sean_A

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2020, 04:01:20 AM »
Terrible break. It's stupid that the rough is that high at Augusta.

Ciao
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Thomas Dai

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2020, 04:26:34 AM »
Quote from: ward peyronnin on November 13, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
Live by the sword die by it.
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For an apparently scientific/analytical person BDC doesn't seem to use the 15th club, the one between his ears, particularly well on the course. Perhaps he'll learn. Perhaps he won't. Time will tell.
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Mike Bodo

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2020, 08:34:30 AM »
Despite his misfortunes, somehow Bryson has gotten his score below the cut line and should play the weekend, in which anything can happen.
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Jonathan Mallard

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2020, 08:49:19 AM »
I mentioned this a few weeks ago on this thread.


I'm going to add a post to bump it due to the relevance.


https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,68915.msg1653921.html#msg1653921
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2020, 08:50:52 AM »
Bryson just hit one too far. Sorry it was a chip buddy.
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Mike Bodo

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2020, 09:00:43 AM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on November 14, 2020, 08:50:52 AM
Bryson just hit one too far. Sorry it was a chip buddy.
Yeah, that was an ugly chip on 18. What a weird round. Actually, two rounds for him. Despite that, he's pushed the cut line to even par. However, if Spieth or another player on the course at even par or over can get to under par they can literally knock Bryson out. Should be interesting to watch the groups behind finish. Pulling for Spieth!  ;D
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2020, 09:02:41 AM »
BDC has the anger face of a new bride.
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archie_struthers

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2020, 09:12:19 AM »
 ???


Confused here. If anyone within ten shots of the lead makes the cut , why would anyone at even be in jeopardy ?


Special rules this year?
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JohnVDB

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Re: So How does BDC take a 7 at #3 @ AGNC?
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2020, 09:18:08 AM »
Quote from: archie_struthers on November 14, 2020, 09:12:19 AM
???


Confused here. If anyone within ten shots of the lead makes the cut , why would anyone at even be in jeopardy ?


Special rules this year?


They eliminated the 10 shot rule.  It was announced at the start of the week.  It is permanent, not just for this year.
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