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Robin_Hiseman

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Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« on: July 26, 2020, 07:19:18 AM »
I seem to remember people got their kicks on 'root' 66, so why does most everybody involved in GCA (even British folks) now pronounce it 'rowt'?


For the record, I'm in the 'root' camp.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 07:23:25 AM »
I'm a rowter, though I did not cover that in my book!


Rooting has multiple connotations and rowting does not.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2020, 07:31:44 AM »
One of my addresses is Rural Route 1 South. I promise you it is not pronounced Rural Root.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 07:39:11 AM »
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Sean_A

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 07:56:45 AM »
I'm a mixer. A road is root. A map/plan is rowting. Rooting just doesn't work 👀.

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Colin Macqueen

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 08:11:47 AM »
Gentlemen,
I don't know who to root for here ......  but routing a golf course has always been vocalised by me as "rowting" the golf course!
But then people often question what I've just said after hearing my accent!
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Matthew Rose

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 08:37:23 AM »
This is especially important if any Aussies are in the vicinity
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2020, 09:44:39 AM »
Rooooooooot!! Oh you weren't talking about cricket - damn!

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 09:48:16 AM »
Root of course.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2020, 11:26:08 AM »
“Rowting” is a specific technique used in woodworking.


In every other context the pronunciation is “rooting”.



Daryl David

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2020, 11:28:34 AM »
Sort of like a small stream that flows through a course. Is it a creek, or a crick?

Sam Andrews

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 11:31:40 AM »
“Rowting” is a specific technique used in woodworking.


In every other context the pronunciation is “rooting”.


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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2020, 11:50:29 AM »
Sort of like a small stream that flows through a course. Is it a creek, or a crick?


Neither, it's a beck. And it's rooting, obviously.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2020, 12:19:20 PM »
I'm a rowter, though I did not cover that in my book!


Rooting has multiple connotations and rowting does not.


So does "laying out" at least according to a few former participants here.  BTW, I pronounce it, "Figuring out where stuff goes."
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John Emerson

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2020, 12:51:55 PM »
Rooting is a verb.  “After the seeds germinate, it starts rooting itself into the soil.”  Routing (rowting)a golf course is the correct way imo.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2020, 01:27:33 PM »
Sort of like a small stream that flows through a course. Is it a creek, or a crick?
It's a burn. And... it's rowt for golf course, root for travel.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2020, 02:24:56 PM »
I didn't even know this was a thing, always figured it was rowting.  I guess its a bit like is it a Re-dawn or Re-Daan?








Thomas Dai

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2020, 02:33:07 PM »
This is especially important if any Aussies are in the vicinity
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2020, 02:34:40 PM »
Rooting is a verb.  “After the seeds germinate, it starts rooting itself into the soil.”  Routing (rowting)a golf course is the correct way imo.


It’s a verb in both those sentences though...


Isn’t this just British vs American?


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Bryan Izatt

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2020, 02:51:01 PM »
From Grammarphobia and the Oxford English Dictionary:

The word “route” can be pronounced either ROOT or ROWT in the US.

This is true for both the noun, meaning a course or path, or the verb, meaning to send something by a specific course or path.

In Britain, though, only the first pronunciation is common for the noun and verb. But the British once had both versions too.

As the Oxford English Dictionary explains, the second (ROWT) disappeared from standard British English sometime during the 19th century, “but is still widespread in North America.”

The noun “route” is very old, and was probably first recorded around 1225, the OED says.


Tim Martin

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2020, 03:49:10 PM »
Slow day....

Forrest Richardson

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2020, 03:56:41 PM »
How about: ROUTE   :)

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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2020, 02:28:54 AM »
How about: ROUTE   :)


Indeed.


The woodworking term "rout" (pronounced rowt) originally meaning to cut a groove across the grain of a piece of wood, is spelt differently than "route" (pronounced root) meaning to send something by a course or path, or indeed the course, path or road itself. The "e" at the end isn't a definitive indication of its pronunciation, but it certainly suggests the softer "root" rather than the more Germanic "rowt."


The well-known song from the 1940s refers to "Root" 66, not "Rowt 66". Did Nat King Cole get it wrong?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYApJtsyd0&ab_channel=anneesvinyl






Gib_Papazian

Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2020, 01:26:46 PM »
You root for truffles, you route (rowt) a golf course.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Routing - do you pronounce it "root" or "rowt"?
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2020, 01:32:53 PM »
Gib,


Yes, I was going to post that rooting is something you do after you have cleared out all the trees.  Or, cut them to keep them from busting up your greens or cart paths.
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