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Julian Wise

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Best 5 courses on Long Island
« on: June 28, 2020, 04:57:55 PM »
Best 5 courses on Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk County).  Put them in order or just list them.  Since I started the topic, I will give my top 5 (in order).  Thoughts?[/size]Shinnecock NationalFriar’sGarden CityBethpage Black


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Jeff Evagues

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2020, 08:00:11 PM »
There's at least a dozen better than Bethpage Black.
Be the ball

Julian Wise

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2020, 05:21:40 PM »
There's at least a dozen better than Bethpage Black.


Just curious as to the dozen you think are better than Bethpage Black.

Jeff Evagues

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 06:59:38 PM »
In no particular order:
Shinnecock
NGLA
Sebonack
Friars Head
Maidstone
Meadowbrook
Creek
Piping Rock
Laurel Links
St. Georges
Bridge
Garden City Mens
Deepdale
A bakers dozen
I could also put Engineers, Old Westbury, and Fresh Meadow.
Be the ball

jeffwarne

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2020, 08:17:19 PM »
In no particular order:
Shinnecock
NGLA
Sebonack
Friars Head
Maidstone
Meadowbrook
Creek
Piping Rock
Laurel Links
St. Georges
Bridge
Garden City Mens
Deepdale
A bakers dozen
I could also put Engineers, Old Westbury, and Fresh Meadow.


You left out Bethpage Red
Inwood, Atlantic,Rockaway, Huntington CC, North Shore
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archie_struthers

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2020, 08:38:48 PM »
 8)


that's an embarrassment of riches for you NY boys and girls

Gib_Papazian

Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2020, 01:01:30 AM »
Gentlemen,


I'm not going to assert where on a list these two belong, but both are dear to my heart and belong somewhere on any comprehensive list on Long Island:


Westhampton


Stonebridge


The intelligencia seems to forget these two jewels, just as The Knoll is often overlooked in New Jersey.


Interested how many Treehouse dwellers have bothered to seek them out.






corey miller

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2020, 11:19:42 AM »



Rockaway Hunting is clear top 10 for me.


Do ANY of the top courses on Long Island present more challenges/choices (based on angles) from the tee? 

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2020, 11:37:14 AM »
This is a zero-sum game. Best to end it now.
Coming in 2025
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2020, 12:19:30 PM »
Jeff beat me to it. Bethpage Red is a lot of fun. I really liked it.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

jeffwarne

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2020, 09:02:16 AM »
Stonebridge Links.
An hour and twenty from me, driven through that area hundreds of times en route to youth sporting events, golf etc.
never heard of it until today....
(The NLE Tallgrass as well, of similar pedigree)


Westhampton a worthy mention as well, then there's Gardiner's Bay, Bellport, Nissequogue and Quogue FC
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"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Kevin Pallier

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2020, 11:26:42 PM »
Surely Fishers Island counts as part of the Long Island region?

From what I've seen

National Golf Links of America
Shinnecock Hills
Friar's Head
Fishers Island
Garden City Golf Club

Gib_Papazian

Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2020, 02:39:01 AM »
Sorry, Fishers does not count if you have to take a ferry from New London, Connecticut to get there. I looked up why an island a chipshot off the Connecticut shoreline was somehow a New York jurisdiction, I believe it stems from an original American Indian treaty agreement. 


But no, it is not on Long Island.

Chuck Glowacki

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2020, 02:51:40 AM »
Let’s not forget Montauk Downs.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2020, 04:03:45 AM »
Sorry, Fishers does not count if you have to take a ferry from New London, Connecticut to get there. I looked up why an island a chipshot off the Connecticut shoreline was somehow a New York jurisdiction, I believe it stems from an original American Indian treaty agreement. 


But no, it is not on Long Island.


Gib, our host last year (whose mother still lives full time on the island) said it had to do with the Duke of York and some dispute he won with Connecticut. Does seem odd that an island so close to Connecticut doesn't belong to the state, so politics of the day seemed to win out.
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Phil Carlucci

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2020, 07:17:51 AM »
Stonebridge Links.
An hour and twenty from me, driven through that area hundreds of times en route to youth sporting events, golf etc.
never heard of it until today....
(The NLE Tallgrass as well, of similar pedigree)


Westhampton a worthy mention as well, then there's Gardiner's Bay, Bellport, Nissequogue and Quogue FG
I've been confounded by Stonebridge the most during my 12 years of writing about local golf.  It's got arguably the most easily marketable story around that could draw golfers from afar -- 18 holes of Macdonald/Raynor replicas available to the public -- yet it does just about no promotion and carries on with a rudimentary website that mentions the names Macdonald or Raynor exactly zero times.  It's no wonder that a prominent figure in local golf has never heard of it.
Meanwhile it's one of my favorites, and I just played it again on July 4th.  I've profiled a few of its holes over the years, including its Biarritz and Redan.  I just posted a few new pics of its Hog's Back 16th.  The GM is a nice guy always open to talk about the course and its programs, but I've yet to get an answer as to why they don't promote themselves.
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2020, 06:10:31 PM »
No mention of Gil Hanse or George Bahto either - on a golf course at 2000 RAYNORS WAY . . . . . .




Mike Hendren

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2020, 12:32:48 PM »
Gentlemen,

The intelligencia seems to forget these two jewels, just as The Knoll is often overlooked in New Jersey.

Interested how many Treehouse dwellers have bothered to seek them out.

Gyro, glad to see a mention of Knoll.  I assume you're speaking of Knoll West. At Uncle George's suggestion I played there a few years back and must relate my check-in experience.   Obviously, my accent gave me away as I had arranged a tee time in advance through a guy in the shop.  When I mentioned his name, Louie (not his real name) responded "He don't work here any more."  I then mentioned that George had suggested I play the course as I knew he had been heavily involved there.  Louie's response:  "George don't come 'round here no more.  Holding my ground, the next line of defense was "there's an outing going off in fifteen minutes."  It was already raining and mine was the only car in the lot.  Finally, "we only take cash."  Fortunately I had a little.  So off I went.

Banks' work there featured something I'd never seen and could only describe as mole trails on the greens, except they were by design.  Very prevalent on the first green, perhaps?   I have no pics but the second green was a work of art if memory serves.  Also, hopefully you remember the 11th green which I've not seen elsewhere.  The surface was like a bicycle seat laid upon a circle with a rear tier that narrowed to a point as it dissolved into the lower front-half of the green, separating the front half of the green into two distinct quadrants.    Brilliant. 

Fwiw I got up and down out of the front-left bunker at 18 for a par.  Prized and memorable.  The club had a shaggy and blue collar feel to it - perfect in my book.

Bogey
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Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Jeff Schley

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2020, 12:42:07 PM »
A golfing buddy of mine told me several years ago he knew of a member at East Hampton who was a member at 5 clubs on Long Island, I didn't ask what other 4 clubs he belonged to.  I know some guys collect golf memberships, but 5 clubs just on Long Island?  How many clubs do you need in a certain city? I understand a summer club, winter club and maybe a national club; however 5 in one area?
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Steve Lapper

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2020, 07:19:29 AM »
A golfing buddy of mine told me several years ago he knew of a member at East Hampton who was a member at 5 clubs on Long Island, I didn't ask what other 4 clubs he belonged to.  I know some guys collect golf memberships, but 5 clubs just on Long Island?  How many clubs do you need in a certain city? I understand a summer club, winter club and maybe a national club; however 5 in one area?


 There are a good number of people who belong to five or more clubs on LI. It's a hot-bed for golf, money and access. I know a few who belong to a few close into the city (i.e. Deepdale, GC Mens, The Creek or Piping Rock) and several out on the East end. One good friend uses Deepdale for business golf, The Creek and Piping Rock for family and neighbor-related uses, and NGLA, Shinnecock, Sebonack and Maidstone for his summer rota. It's good to be him.
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

Rob Marshall

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2020, 08:56:40 AM »
Is it true that if you are a member of NGLA you are can also play Shinnecock but not vise versa?
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

JESII

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2020, 09:26:25 AM »
Is it true that if you are a member of NGLA you are can also play Shinnecock but not vise versa?


No

Steve Lapper

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2020, 09:42:52 AM »
Is it true that if you are a member of NGLA you are can also play Shinnecock but not vise versa?


No




True, however at least 25-30% of Shinnecock members are NGLA members as well. Finding a way to play the other is quite easy for members of both.
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

Jeff Schley

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2020, 02:20:48 PM »
A golfing buddy of mine told me several years ago he knew of a member at East Hampton who was a member at 5 clubs on Long Island, I didn't ask what other 4 clubs he belonged to.  I know some guys collect golf memberships, but 5 clubs just on Long Island?  How many clubs do you need in a certain city? I understand a summer club, winter club and maybe a national club; however 5 in one area?


 There are a good number of people who belong to five or more clubs on LI. It's a hot-bed for golf, money and access. I know a few who belong to a few close into the city (i.e. Deepdale, GC Mens, The Creek or Piping Rock) and several out on the East end. One good friend uses Deepdale for business golf, The Creek and Piping Rock for family and neighbor-related uses, and NGLA, Shinnecock, Sebonack and Maidstone for his summer rota. It's good to be him.
Holy shishkabobs!  That is rolling deep with the pick of the litter, or all the litter. Of course us mortals think of how much that must cost in initiations and dues, but I'm sure he isn't concerned at a level like that.
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Michael Felton

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Re: Best 5 courses on Long Island
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2020, 03:34:15 PM »
Is it true that if you are a member of NGLA you are can also play Shinnecock but not vise versa?


No




True, however at least 25-30% of Shinnecock members are NGLA members as well. Finding a way to play the other is quite easy for members of both.


There seems to be a little bit of a correlation between those two and Cypress Point as well. I know of at least two people who belong to all three. I suspect that of those 25-30% you mentioned roughly 0% of them don't also belong somewhere else on the island. LI must have the highest concentration of world class golf courses in one part of the country anywhere.