[John Kavanaugh]

Swine Flu infected approx 60 million in the US, killing 12,500, a .02% death rate.

Covid-19 infections to date in the US is 335,000 with 9,500 deaths, a 2.86% death rate. 

Its a significantly worse scenario, currently at 136X the death rate of Swine Flu.

What is the value of such a post?

[Kalen Braley]

Swine Flu infected approx 60 million in the US, killing 12,500, a .02% death rate.

Covid-19 infections to date in the US is 335,000 with 9,500 deaths, a 2.86% death rate. 

Its a significantly worse scenario, currently at 136X the death rate of Swine Flu.

What is the value of such a post?

The value is a counter point to the prior posts about infection rates per capita.


Whats worse? A virus that infects tens of millions and kills relatively few or one that infects far less but kills a higher % by order of magnitudes?

[Sean_A]

Swine Flu infected approx 60 million in the US, killing 12,500, a .02% death rate.

Covid-19 infections to date in the US is 335,000 with 9,500 deaths, a 2.86% death rate. 

Its a significantly worse scenario, currently at 136X the death rate of Swine Flu.

What is the value of such a post?

Why single out this post?  The entire thread should be whacked.  It has long since served its purpose.  Unqualified folks are essentially make guesses with incomplete evidence. 

Ciao

[John Kavanaugh]

Swine Flu infected approx 60 million in the US, killing 12,500, a .02% death rate.

Covid-19 infections to date in the US is 335,000 with 9,500 deaths, a 2.86% death rate. 

Its a significantly worse scenario, currently at 136X the death rate of Swine Flu.

What is the value of such a post?

The value is a counter point to the prior posts about infection rates per capita.


Whats worse? A virus that infects tens of millions and kills relatively few or one that infects far less but kills a higher % by order of magnitudes?

What's worse is intentionally spreading false information. I would say criminal.

[Mike Bodo]

Why single out this post?  The entire thread should be whacked.  It has long since served its purpose.
Ciao

Agreed.

[Kalen Braley]

Hilarious John,

Unless you think the CDC is full of shit?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

[Ulrich Mayring]

The current numbers are not reliable enough to calculate a death rate. But even if they were, some people will still only believe what they see with their own eyes in their own backyard. And unfortunately, while walking around carelessly, they will kill.

You have to realise that every diagnosed case of Covid 19 is a person, who has walked around for at least five days - sometimes longer - without knowing he was infected, but at the same time infecting everyone they got close to.

[John Kavanaugh]

Kalen, I am confident that you don't believe that the 335,000 infections number is accurate. You have been calling for better and more testing from day 1. I am curious for your motivation to now be spreading misinformation.

[Pete_Pittock]

I thought we tried to put a wooden stake through this thread's heart a week ago.  I assume the 335,000 infections is an accurate number. But that number is derived from tests. We have tested less than 2 million out of a population of 340 million. I would posit that there are a lot of non-diagnosed cases that we could come in contact with, of which we need be aware.

[Tim Martin]

Why single out this post?  The entire thread should be whacked.  It has long since served its purpose.
Ciao

Agreed.

If you look at the initial series of replies they directly answered the question without an op-ed and a pile of statistics attached. If restrictions are in place in specific areas and or clubs that is certainly useful information to this board.

[Mike Bodo]

If you look at the initial series of replies they directly answered the question without an op-ed and a pile of statistics attached. If restrictions are in place in specific areas and or clubs that is certainly useful information to this board.

I agree, but the conversation has gone off the rails and turned into a statistical and political debate. I tried bringing it back on topic, but no one seems to be interested in discussing how the virus stands to impact the golfing industry as a whole - both short term and long term. I hate it when threads go off-topic and wish moderators would reprimand the offending parties when it happens and or close down the thread if it's reached the point of no return.

[Peter Pallotta]

Mike -
The trouble is there's nothing 'off topic' when everyone is their own most favourite topic!

[Tommy Williamsen]

I wish I could get all these replies to my Fowler thread.

[John Kavanaugh]

Tommy,


You were the OP and made an interesting edit.

[Tommy Williamsen]

Tommy,


You were the OP and made an interesting edit.

OP? 

[Mike Bodo]

Mike -
The trouble is there's nothing 'off topic' when everyone is their own most favourite topic!

LOL! Isn't that the truth. Love you guys! 

[John Kavanaugh]

OP - Original Poster

[Sean_A]

If you look at the initial series of replies they directly answered the question without an op-ed and a pile of statistics attached. If restrictions are in place in specific areas and or clubs that is certainly useful information to this board.

I agree, but the conversation has gone off the rails and turned into a statistical and political debate. I tried bringing it back on topic, but no one seems to be interested in discussing how the virus stands to impact the golfing industry as a whole - both short term and long term. I hate it when threads go off-topic and wish moderators would reprimand the offending parties when it happens and or close down the thread if it's reached the point of no return.

I don't mind off topic threads. Some great stuff can comes from these threads. Unfortunately, this thread is not an example of such. The original question is now moot.

Ciao

[Thomas Dai]

May I suggest this entire thread be deleted.
atb

[Phil Carlucci]

On Long Island, Middle Bay reopened for the season on Saturday.
The Town of Huntington announced Crab Meadow GC is closed until further notice, effective today.  This following being closed originally, then opening last week.

[John Kavanaugh]

Please talk to your children. The following thread exposes just how ignorant the future of golf appears to be.


https://refuge.nolayingup.com/t/covid-playing-closed-golf-courses/24234/701

[Mike Bodo]

Interesting article in Golfweek regarding golfing at Streamsong in the age of COVID-19.


https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/04/03/playing-golf-during-coronavirus-pandemic-streamsong/



I know courses that are still open are handling the situation differently, but I like concept of upside down hole cups and having tees sprinkled about the first tee for those in need. As with the author, I'm by no means an epidemiologist, but I would reckon that playing golf is safer than taking a walk in my congested neighborhood, which I am still allowed to do.

[John Kavanaugh]

Many of us have golfed with our friends most of our lives. Me - 51 years now. In that time we have also ripped some memorable farts. What would you estimate the travel distance and linger time to be on those epic ones that still fill our memory banks? It ain't six feet.


I still remember clearing out a diner on a high school golf trip. The image of a now deceased buddy standing at the door frantically fanning the door trying to disperse the smell was a happy moment in my life. We got in trouble but nobody died. These are different times.


Golf if you must but don't call buddies to join you.

[John Kavanaugh]

Interesting article in Golfweek regarding golfing at Streamsong in the age of COVID-19.


https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/04/03/playing-golf-during-coronavirus-pandemic-streamsong/



I know courses that are still open are handling the situation differently, but I like concept of upside down hole cups and having tees sprinkled about the first tee for those in need. As with the author, I'm by no means an epidemiologist, but I would reckon that playing golf is safer than taking a walk in my congested neighborhood, which I am still allowed to do.

It is also interesting that Winter Park is closed and this guy and two of his friends drove 180 miles to play golf. My wife is quarantining in his home town and now has three guys who took an unnecessary risk out and about in the community. I sincerely hope they got comped.


He didn't say...are the caddies still being payed cash?

[Mike Bodo]

He didn't say...are the caddies still being payed cash?

That's a good question. I know the majority of public courses that are open currently are not accepting cash payment. It's all electronic. I would suspect the same applies at Streamsong.

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