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Jeff Schley

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2020, 07:04:13 PM »
The only professional I can think of who's eligible for this years Masters who isn't playing at Sawgrass this week is Westwood. So no travel issue.

Michael
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2020, 07:07:06 PM »
The Masters won't happen. Death rates are very high in Washington, almost 10%. So US health system appears way overmatched and the president is not interested. In Italy the doctors are picking who gets to live, old people are left to die in the hallways. I pray that the US medical system is not tested like that, but I suspect the severity of the situation will sink in when, not if, the first players contract the virus.
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Mike_Young

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2020, 07:29:04 PM »

I'm not as interested as a Masters without spectators as much as a Masters without a European contingent of players. I don't think that was thought through to conclusion.
Peter,UK is not on the no fly list and the other Europeans fly to Montreal or Mexico City and in....not a big deal really...the problem they are trying to solve with no Euro flights is an airport problem not an airplane...the planes are taking precautions but the airport corridors themselves are a huge issue
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Bernie Bell

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2020, 07:31:38 PM »
Ulrich, I take pretty strong offense at that, which I consider obnoxious (apart from obviously having nothing to do with golf or GCA).  Why don't you let us worry about the adequacy of our health care system, which remains to be seen, and our elected leaders and you worry about yours.  Sadly, yours will be tested soon enough, in all likelihood, just as ours will be.  I hope we will all be satisfied in the end.

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2020, 07:53:38 PM »

Players receive 12 tickets a day for family and friends plus a weekly badge for wife and children. You'd think non-competing invitees and spouses (past US and British Am champs, Walker Cup members), USGA and R&A committee members, heads of national golf associations like Oz and Canada, and limited guests of ANGC members would also still be in attendance. There are a ton of meetings that take place both on and off site among various golf associations during Masters week and for the week afterwards.


So I'd think you'd still have a couple thousand people on the grounds. And at that point you'd still need security, first aid, limited concessions, etc.



I cannot imagine a more elitist scenario than this:  being one of the chosen who attends The Masters when it is off limits to commoners.  What a great look that would be.


Every other major sport has suspended their season indefinitely.  If you want to argue whether that's an overreaction, fine.  But being on the other side of it will look increasingly bad over the next week or two, while all of the people exposed to the virus this past week are starting to show symptoms.  If the number of cases in the USA is 4-5 times higher in two weeks' time, as it almost surely will be, can The Masters really go on?

A.G._Crockett

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2020, 08:03:32 PM »
Ulrich, I take pretty strong offense at that, which I consider obnoxious (apart from obviously having nothing to do with golf or GCA).  Why don't you let us worry about the adequacy of our health care system, which remains to be seen, and our elected leaders and you worry about yours.  Sadly, yours will be tested soon enough, in all likelihood, just as ours will be.  I hope we will all be satisfied in the end.
Bernie Bell,

I'm not sure I understand what offended you about Ulrich's post, unless it was the comment that the president isn't interested.  Putting that comment aside, and letting everyone decide that question for themselves, Ulrich said that he prayed for the U.S. healthcare system.  As to whether or not our system is, in fact, overmatched, there is a fair amount of evidence of the truth of that.  In NC, for instance, my understanding is that there are currently a TOTAL of 150 test kits for the entire state. 


And I don't think Ulrich blamed anybody for the US system being overmatched; I'll assume until he says otherwise that he is anticipating the same issues with a disease that spreads like this one does as other countries, like Italy, have experienced.  Angela Merkel said yesterday that she expects 60% of the German population to contract the virus; the German healthcare system will be overmatched if that happens because systems just aren't built for those numbers, here or anywhere else.  I'm glad that the powers that be in this country are attempting to reduce human interaction and contact to slow the spread, rather than facing the severe lack of beds that could occur; I hope it works.  That's not a value judgement on the president or anybody else; it's just a harsh reality that the US, along with the rest of the world, faces in a pandemic.

I agree with Ulrich about the Masters; I don't think it will be played this year.  I think what happened last night in the NBA was a wake up call about the dynamic of this illness, and the players are going to think about their families and decide that they aren't going to fly or stay in hotels.  I'll even be surprised if the Players finishes; I was surprised that they started with fans, but the absence of fans only lessens the problem; it decidedly does NOT solve it.


The obvious fact about the Masters is that ANGC is maybe the one place that doesn't need or depend on the money that the tournament generates.  They'll be fine with a one year delay; they won't be fine with the public relations disaster that could come out of holding the tournament, with or without patrons, and having additional outbreaks traced back to them.
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2020, 08:04:56 PM »
The presidents of Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Williams, Amherst, etc are pretty smart and well informed people. Probably have access to some pretty solid medical advice. And they are all shutting down and clearing their campuses.

The fact that the PGA Tour plans to continue tournaments is asinine.

the US is currently where Italy was two weeks ago. Two weeks from now, this will almost certainly be a nightmare. Professional athletes, including golfers, should be setting an example for the public by practicing social distancing and restricting their travel.

Michael Wolf

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2020, 08:38:58 PM »

Players receive 12 tickets a day for family and friends plus a weekly badge for wife and children. You'd think non-competing invitees and spouses (past US and British Am champs, Walker Cup members), USGA and R&A committee members, heads of national golf associations like Oz and Canada, and limited guests of ANGC members would also still be in attendance. There are a ton of meetings that take place both on and off site among various golf associations during Masters week and for the week afterwards.


So I'd think you'd still have a couple thousand people on the grounds. And at that point you'd still need security, first aid, limited concessions, etc.



I cannot imagine a more elitist scenario than this:  being one of the chosen who attends The Masters when it is off limits to commoners.  What a great look that would be.


Every other major sport has suspended their season indefinitely.  If you want to argue whether that's an overreaction, fine.  But being on the other side of it will look increasingly bad over the next week or two, while all of the people exposed to the virus this past week are starting to show symptoms.  If the number of cases in the USA is 4-5 times higher in two weeks' time, as it almost surely will be, can The Masters really go on?


I agree completely, which is why I think it'll be cancelled

Adam G

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2020, 08:58:07 PM »
There is a rumor on social media it will be moved to october

BHoover

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2020, 09:58:07 PM »
The Players and now all Tour events through the Texas Open have been canceled. I don’t see any way the Masters will be played, and probably no other events for the time being.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2020, 10:02:09 PM by BHoover »

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2020, 10:27:29 PM »
By ugly I meant in a genetic configuration pleasing to the eye.


P.S.  I think it'd be interesting to see the pros play on a mostly empty ANGC.  (Guessing they would still allow family and support team to observe).  It'd be like watching a US Am....


Erik,
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I thought he already was ...

That's why Bubba is in a slump.
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2020, 03:22:24 AM »
Germany has 25000 beds with artificial oxygen and I am told that these are the most in Europe. Any more severe cases and the elderly are dying in the hallways. Why are people already dying in Washington at an unseen rate of 10%? The U S leadership is not giving answers, all I hear is that the situation is under control and will soon be over. I sincerely hope that it is just poor communication or the numbers are wrong.


Sorry if I ruffle any feathers, but I think it is necessary, as evidenced by the gentleman, who appears to think this is a US problem. But it is not. If the US fucks this up, then more people will die in the rest of the world as well. This is the time for the US to shine as they have many times in the past. Good luck to everyone.
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2020, 04:38:55 AM »
Ulrich sadly the virus got into a Washington nursing home causing the massive spike in the death rate.


As for the Masters the event needs members and with most of them in the danger age groups I cannot see any of them travelling to Georgia in 4 weeks time.
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archie_struthers

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2020, 06:53:37 AM »
 >:(


If there was ever a time to pull together and forget about politics this is it. Just don't know if the media et al think it's in their financial interest, what a pity. What I am sure about is there are some brilliant people working really hard to find a cure or at least a way to treat the virus. Let's hope the polarization fear mongers let them do what they can to help!
« Last Edit: March 13, 2020, 08:15:40 AM by archie_struthers »

Tim Martin

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2020, 07:13:33 AM »
I can’t imagine that the Masters is contested this year. I feel badly for anyone that has tickets and especially for first time attendees.

Jeff Schley

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2020, 07:51:58 AM »
This pandemic is a harsh reminder that regardless of where you live, how much money you have or fame, we are all human. As much of a concern as this is presently and in the near future to most likely get worse; looking at the positive side it can also galvanize all together. Regardless of country, race, or religion it is very apparent how one affects all. It is with this united mindset which are spurred rarely, that can have a harmonizing affect in the future.



May God be with those affected and guide those who make our critical decisions.
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Anthony Butler

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2020, 09:32:06 AM »
Latest Media Update: ‘Everything is on the table with the ANGC’


Latest IBM Update: ‘Pressure is increasing on ANGC leadership to cancel. They are trying to do a ‘back of the envelope’ financial impact calculation. Not so much for the club, but the local area businesses and charities. The women’s Amateur and Pitch and Putt are pretty much toast, but plans are to include in their tournament resolution announcement. Expect something next week. As of today, Club does not want to piggyback on PGA Tour announcement made at 10pm last night.”


P.S. A child in my daughter’s class and the teacher were diagnosed with COVID-19, so we have been asked to self-isolate since there are no more testing kits available in MA until at least next week.

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BCrosby

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2020, 09:47:21 AM »


I would think they have an insurance policy on the merchandise selling.

That seems unlikely, since they are the ones who make the call on canceling the event.



It would be interesting to know if ANGC has business interruption insurance with a force majeure clause. There are many ways to define a force majeure. The definition is often negotiated. But any definition would include a global pandemic.


Beyond ANGC, however, I'd guess there are lots of business insurance companies watching events very, very closely.


Bob

A.G._Crockett

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2020, 09:48:29 AM »
There is NO way The Masters is played this year; none.  Cancellation is a when, not an if.

The Georgia university system is already shut down, as are most public school systems in metro Atlanta and many others around the state.  The Georgia High School Association has recommended that ALL high schools in the state suspend all athletic activities, and most have.  Richmond and Columbia County schools have not yet closed, but they are making plans for remote learning AND trying to figure out the food situation in school systems where over 90% of the students are on reduced or free lunch programs.

More than any other sports governing body in the US, the guys that run ANGC and The Masters are smart.  They are going to do this their own way, like they always do, and in their own time, like they always do, and they'll have covered as many bases as possible before they announce.  But that toonamint ain't happening this year.
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jeffwarne

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2020, 09:51:41 AM »
No chance October AG?
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David_Tepper

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2020, 09:56:01 AM »
Has the Drive, Chip & Putt event been cancelled?

Anthony Butler

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2020, 10:24:47 AM »
Wow... that escalated quickly...


https://apple.news/AahgsOVLwROWpA02GQZ932A
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2020, 10:25:30 AM »
No chance October AG?
Jeff,

That's a good question, but I'm still going to say no.  I don't see those guys having their tournament shoehorned into the schedule and competing with college football and the NFL, as well as running the risk that the course won't be the way that they want it to be.  I think they are likely to not have it at all if they can't do it exactly the way they want to.


And this presumes that we're gong to be back to "normal" by then anyway.  My understanding is that the 1918 flu pandemic had a second wave in the fall when it hit the southern hemisphere that was actually worse in terms of the death rate, including in the US, than the first wave during the "flu season".  One of the problems with this thing is that we don't yet know if people who have it and recover are gaining immunity to a second infection or not; maybe by then we will know that, but we don't right now.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Kalen Braley

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2020, 10:46:16 AM »
Germany has 25000 beds with artificial oxygen and I am told that these are the most in Europe. Any more severe cases and the elderly are dying in the hallways. Why are people already dying in Washington at an unseen rate of 10%? The U S leadership is not giving answers, all I hear is that the situation is under control and will soon be over. I sincerely hope that it is just poor communication or the numbers are wrong.


Sorry if I ruffle any feathers, but I think it is necessary, as evidenced by the gentleman, who appears to think this is a US problem. But it is not. If the US fucks this up, then more people will die in the rest of the world as well. This is the time for the US to shine as they have many times in the past. Good luck to everyone.

Ulrich,

Its not your imagination.  Sadly Trump is making this political by doing stupid shit like this time and time again.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-13/trump-administration-blocks-states-use-medicaid-respond-coronavirus-crisis


"In previous emergencies, including the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Hurricane Katrina and the H1N1 flu outbreak, both Republican and Democratic administrations loosened Medicaid rules to empower states to meet surging needs."

JESII

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Re: The Masters with no ‘patrons’
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2020, 11:09:19 AM »
Also this Kalen, from another source...


"And, at your direction, Medicare and Medicaid, last week, already made it clear to Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries that coronavirus testing and treatment would be covered.  These private insurance carriers have extended that as well."