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David_Tepper

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Steve Lapper

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2020, 09:18:15 AM »
Wonderful list, especially as it includes most of the truly fun GB&I gems.


That said, I'm not at all sure I could agree with it's ordering. Wonder what the methodology was behind it?

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Bernie Bell

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2020, 10:28:05 AM »
Awesome!  First "Top 100" I've cared to click through in a long time. 

Bernie Bell

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2020, 10:39:45 AM »
What makes a fun course - panel explains their thinking.

https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/what-makes-a-course-fun/




« Last Edit: March 02, 2020, 10:42:01 AM by Bernie Bell »

John Mayhugh

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2020, 11:34:20 AM »
Thanks for posting this. Three of the panelists are eminently credible for me (Sean, Clyde & Simon).

Not sure I would agree on the ordering, but really liked some of the brief descriptions. Only played 38 of the list so work to do here.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2020, 01:18:48 PM »
Great to see some of the lesser known courses have a light shone on them. But I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a more random list anywhere. Some glaringly obvious courses missed and some questionable ones included. Not to mention the order.


Still, I’d be happy on any of them (dependent on mood).

Thomas Dai

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2020, 01:37:45 PM »
Generally one of the better listings I’ve seen.
Nice to see the inclusion of some second courses at high profile premier venues plus some of the under the radar crackers I’ve been promoting for a while. Some cool 9-hole and not often mentioned courses included too, which is fine with me.
I could quibble about the inclusion of 4-5 of the courses and would personally like to see Mulranny and Minchinhampton Old in the list but I guess not enough of the panelist’s have had the good fortune to play them.
‘Fun’, and the listing is top-100 for ‘fun’, is rather subjective and very personal, which to be fair the preamble with the listing does mention. However, imo how frequently you’d like to play the course is pretty inherent within ‘fun’ and there are some courses on the list that I’m not sure folks would like to play more than a couple of times in a lifetime, certainly not play very regularly. Many though, maybe most, I’d be very happy to play frequently. Each to their own though.
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2020, 01:42:28 PM »
I think the courses in Ireland got shortchanged badly. But nice to see Cruit Island on there.

Peter Pallotta

Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2020, 01:48:39 PM »
From the descriptions I've read over the years, and the profiles here by Sean and others, I've concluded that with so many of these GB&I courses, "fun" is not the opposite of "hard/difficult".
Many of these courses are not "easy" or "easy to score well on", but they are "fun" nonetheless because they tend to be neither "long" nor "predictable/straightforward", nor even obviously and carefully "designed". 
I know that's an obvious point and a common observation. But I find it interesting because it goes back to our many "hand of man" and "found" vs "built" discussions.
I wonder if our sense of "fun" has more to do with the feeling of youthful "discovery" (as Sean notes in the link Bernie posted) than it does with specific architectural philosophies/approaches and values, e.g. width, green contours, playable rough etc.
Some astute music critic once described improvised jazz as "the sound of surprise". So many of these courses seem to feature "surprises" around every corner, and genuine surprises too, i.e. not the kind that an architect who has planned every hole and moved a lot of earth to create those holes could possibly duplicate, simply because the very act of "planning" precludes the kind of randomness that Nature provides.   


« Last Edit: March 02, 2020, 01:55:09 PM by Peter Pallotta »

jeffwarne

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2020, 04:51:41 PM »
Wow-now that's a list.
Some very good memories there.
The Top 10 is a special group.

Kicking myself for missing "Corrie" the few times I've been on Arran.
I've managed 59 on the list so not far to go...my lack of inland golf near London is showing
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2020, 05:00:56 PM »
The most fascinating thing about the list is the number of courses I have never heard of. Who says there still are not hidden gems?
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Sean_A

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2020, 05:31:30 PM »
Old Head is the only serious outlier on the list. Nearly all the top tape courses have a fair measure of quirk.

Fun is really a catchall word which is largely about some quirk, modest to short yardage, attractive surrounds, quick to play and reasonable green fee.

I think Castlerock Bann belongs on the list.

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David_Tepper

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2020, 05:55:14 PM »
A tip of the hat to the late Mark Parsinen for creating/building Kingsbarns (#37) & Castle Stuart (#8), two modern courses that finished well up on this list. Those 2 courses are also well up on the list of the 100 best courses in GB&I.
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Jay Mickle

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2020, 06:08:18 PM »
Hard t o argue with the courses, perhaps the rankings, but we all enjoy courses for different reasons. After Ran's glowing profile I would have expected to find old Minch on the list (or perhaps I missed it).
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Peter Flory

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2020, 08:10:37 PM »
Nice that there was a picture for each one.  I don't see anything there that I wouldn't love to play. 

Ira Fishman

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2020, 08:42:04 AM »
I am very glad to see Kilspindie and Golspie get some affection.  If those two do not define "fun", I do not know what the word means.


Ira

jeffwarne

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2020, 09:07:59 AM »
Hopefully that magazine has a small circulation.... ;D


Bring on a list of Toughest courses in GBI(Modern)
Let's get some traction on that ;) ;D
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Jason Topp

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2020, 09:45:38 AM »
It would be interesting to see a similar US list.  I have a feeling that the list would be inferior to this one despite many more golf courses to choose from. 


I have played 24.  It seems like I always have played approximately 25 courses on any top 100 list.

Tom_Doak

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2020, 10:05:41 AM »
Thank goodness the Ladies' Putting Course at St. Andrews has finally made a ranking in order to validate its existence!   /s

Michael Whitaker

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2020, 11:52:02 AM »
I’ve never been interested in notching a Top 100 list, but I’m at 50 on this list and the balance of courses are of interest.


Maybe  ???


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jeffwarne

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2020, 12:11:12 PM »
I’ve never been interested in notching a Top 100 list, but I’m at 50 on this list and the balance of courses are of interest.


Maybe  ???


 ;D


and no doubt you will stumble upon multiple worthy candidates along the way
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Niall C

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2020, 12:15:02 PM »
I'm at 46 and there a few others that are on my hit list. And, yes I did count them.

My only quibble - no Forfar, or Whinhill, or Strathtay ?! On the upside, there's a few nine holers on the list which is good to see.

Niall

 

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2020, 12:37:48 PM »
I think the courses in Ireland got shortchanged badly. But nice to see Cruit Island on there.

The Irish courses are (in order):

Lahinch
Cruit Island
Old Head
RCD Annesley
Carne
Rosapenna Old Tom
Tralee
Portrush Valley
Ballybunion Cashen
Dooks
Corballis
Castlerock
Ardglass
Spanish Point

That list is beyond arbitrary with some fun courses, some courses that are at the other end of the scale and one or two that are just weak(ish).

But I guess it's another discussion point.

Thomas Dai

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2020, 12:43:48 PM »
Anyone herein played number 99, St Medans (or even know where it is!?)?
Lanark and Torquay and the above mentioned Corrie are three more that don’t seem to have received much comment herein over the years.
Atb


PS - some folks ‘fun’ courses are other folks ‘torture’ courses, especially if folks don’t like climbs or heights. :) (:

jeffwarne

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Re: National Club Golfer's GB&I Top 100 For Fun
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2020, 01:03:05 PM »
Anyone herein played number 99, St Medans (or even know where it is!?)?
Lanark and Torquay and the above mentioned Corrie are three more that don’t seem to have received much comment herein over the years.
Atb





Great minds...
I immediately reseached St. Medans location....within reach of a few others such as Southerness and Silloth....(and no doubt countless in between)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey