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Adam Lawrence

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Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
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Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
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Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Sam Krume

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2020, 05:19:00 AM »
you could say that!!!!   £20k fir the house for 1 night

John Mayhugh

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2020, 07:12:45 AM »
Maybe a little pricey for Buda 2021.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2020, 07:42:16 AM »
you could say that!!!!   £20k fir the house for 1 night

Don't worry. You can stay in the two bed cottage for £5k per night.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2020, 07:43:51 AM »
Does that include the golf?

Sean_A

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2020, 07:56:44 AM »
Does that include the golf?

If one can afford the digs, what does the price of the golf matter?

Ciao
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2020, 08:20:52 AM »
Does that include the golf?

If one can afford the digs, what does the price of the golf matter?

Ciao


I was kinda kidding! 😉

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2020, 08:30:36 AM »
Does that include the golf?


Astonishingly, no it doesn't. The golf is £480 a round on top of that!!!
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
www.golfcoursearchitecture.net

Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2020, 08:55:25 AM »
Talk about bifurcation!
The top dollar resorts with magnificent golf courses on one end, the ratty old mom & pop operations charging $28 on the other.
Until, that is, the ratty old mom & pop operations get scooped up for housing the urban sprawl.


Eric Smith

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2020, 09:05:14 AM »
There is an Ardfin MacKenzie bag on eBay: http://www.leagueofcartburning.edu

I kid.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2020, 09:14:27 AM »
There is an Ardfin MacKenzie bag on eBay: http://www.leagueofcartburning.edu

I kid.
:)
Only the stitching is made of leather; the bag itself is 100% marmoset, with panda fur trim. Also, it only holds 4 clubs.

Eric Smith

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2020, 09:16:57 AM »
There is an Ardfin MacKenzie bag on eBay: http://www.leagueofcartburning.edu

I kid.
:)
Only the stitching is made of leather; the bag itself is 100% marmoset, with panda fur trim. Also, it only holds 4 clubs.


I mean, really, Peter, what more does one need?

Thomas Dai

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2020, 09:55:29 AM »
Worth listening to this podcast with Aussie architect Bob Harrison about the background to and building of Ardfin - the Ardfin section of the podcast starts about 60 mins into the discussion - http://podcasts.nextmedia.com.au/thingaboutgolf/thethingaboutgolf01x12.mp3
Atb

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2020, 02:04:17 PM »
FFS.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2020, 02:17:19 PM »
FFS.
An eminently reasonable man, full of charm and good humour, and with many and varied talents and a caring heart. But don't tell Marty B that a course in his beloved Scotland will blithely charge £5000 for a night's stay, and has the temerity to then ask for an additional £480 just to play a round! If you do, you get a FFS

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2020, 02:53:01 PM »
I now have the exact numbers if people are interested.


To stay in the Quads, the new apartments:


Max 4 guests, from £6,000 per night inc. VAT.
Single room from £1,080 per night inc. VAT.
F&B charged as taken; golf £480 per round.


Special Resident Golf Package -- golf, breakfast, lunch, dinner: £600 per day inc. VAT.


(so therefore £1680 minimum for inclusive golf, accommodation and F&B).


Jura House can be rented for a nightly rate of £24,000 inc. VAT. 3 night minimum stay. Golf charged at £480 per round; F&B as taken.


Non-resident golf: day ticket £1,560 inc VAT per person; F&B as taken.
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
www.golfcoursearchitecture.net

Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2020, 03:10:28 PM »
FFS.
An eminently reasonable man, full of charm and good humour, and with many and varied talents and a caring heart. But don't tell Marty B that a course in his beloved Scotland will blithely charge £5000 for a night's stay, and has the temerity to then ask for an additional £480 just to play a round! If you do, you get a FFS


 ;D
Peter,
Thank you so much for the ego massage. Much appreciated!
I had actually composed a long, rambling post bemoaning the utter temerity of this proposal, but deciding that brevity and levity were a far more suitable response, settled on the concise, yet still quite effective, use of a favourite TLA of mine to convey my disbelief and contempt.
Love,
M.

The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

David Davis

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2020, 03:21:50 PM »
This is terribly incomplete journalism I'm afraid.


They only quoted the most expensive possible options and while a very high end visit, so are many others out there. Start with Tara Iti, then go to Sand Hills, Pebble Beach, Les Bordes and the list goes on and that's for the courses that are even possible to visit.


A night and round at Pebble is very steep then you have to put up with a 5-6 hour round, spend a fortune in the store etc etc. I'd take Ardfin 10 out of 10 times.


I think the nightly rates are closer to 1500 including food and maybe even golf if a small group goes but then we talking about amazing rooms and food and not the Castle (20k) or the 2 bedroom place (5k)


On top of that you are likely to have the course to yourself. Which would be rare at any of the above mentioned places. If you like that sort of thing.


Yes still very high end but not what the writer would have you believe (unless of course I didn't see where the complete information was listed).


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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2020, 03:32:50 PM »
David,
This is Scotland, man, where anyone can get a more than decent round of golf on some of the oldest, finest golf courses in the world for thirty or forty quid.
F.
Edit: T-H-E O-L-D C-O-U-R-S-E is £195 High Season this year. The OLD COURSE! ;D
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The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2020, 03:40:03 PM »
A photo tour from 2017 -
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,64569.0.html
What a location to build a course in. Amazing construction logistics to overcome, as Bob H mentions in the podcast highlighted in my earlier post.
And here’s the thread following Rans Courses by Country post -
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,65137.0.html
Worth pointing out that Ardfin is number 26 in the 147 Custodians listing.
Atb

David Davis

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2020, 03:40:23 PM »
David,
This is Scotland, man, where anyone can get a more than decent round of golf on some of the oldest, finest golf courses in the world for thirty or forty quid.
F.


Marty, as you may know I love Scotland! So no argument but you are kind of comparing apples to pears here. Loch Lommond is also in Scotland. ;-)
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2020, 03:49:21 PM »
David,
This is Scotland, man, where anyone can get a more than decent round of golf on some of the oldest, finest golf courses in the world for thirty or forty quid.
F.


Marty, as you may know I love Scotland! So no argument but you are kind of comparing apples to pears here. Loch Lommond is also in Scotland. ;-)


Ehm,
I thought I was comparing golf courses with golf courses.
 ;D
F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tim Martin

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2020, 03:50:41 PM »
The course looks like great fun but the pricing seems arbitrary. I’d be interested to know what their projected rounds are with the stated model.

Dan_Callahan

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2020, 04:25:53 PM »
That's an awful lot to charge for golf. You'd have to be extremely agoraphobic to warrant paying that much just so you have the course to yourself.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Ardfin opening finally confirmed...
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2020, 04:46:25 PM »
Reading some other GCA threads on the place.  Some are claiming its a 9 or 10?  Is that accurate? 


I suppose the price point would at least be somewhat in the realm of understandable if you get a top 100 course all to yourself or buddies for a 36 hole day.

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