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Duncan Cheslett

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CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« on: December 31, 2019, 01:54:52 AM »
The club has just released Jonathan Gaunt's proposals for improvements to the course in the build-up to the Club Centenary in 2025.


http://www.cavendishgolfclub.com/centenary-year-course-plans/#hole-1


Jonathan's main focus is on improving the drainage on the course allowing full 12 month play and on the pathways and general presentation. It is the club's ambition to boost visitor income in terms of rounds played and also the green fee charged. Pulling extra members from other clubs would be a bonus too.


While Cavendish remains a very well preserved original MacKenzie design it can be a little "rough around the edges" and has a reputation for being a wet course.


This reputation is increasingly unfounded. New Course Manager Warwick Manning has done a superb job already and his insistence on slitting every fairway with an "Earthquake" machine in September has paid huge dividends. 95 years of accumulated compaction has been relieved overnight and Cavendish is now probably the driest course in the South Manchester area. I have played at both Cavendish and Conwy this week and after the wettest autumn anyone can remember the fairways at Cavendish are probably the drier!


A lot of the work in Jonathan's plan will be executed by volunteer members. We have a very enthusiastic membership and many skills on hand. The new paths on the the 9th and 13th holes have already been excavated and the base layer installed at zero cost to the club.


I myself am going on a week-long course in March after which I will hopefully be certified in the use of a chainsaw for felling trees up to 380mm diameter  ;D ;D ;D


These are exciting times at Cavendish!




« Last Edit: December 31, 2019, 02:31:56 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

James Reader

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2019, 02:49:38 AM »
Duncan


There are a number of bunkers being combined and/or reshaped, and a few new ones.  Is this about getting back closer to Mackenzie’s original design or has that not been part of the brief?


James

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2019, 03:12:12 AM »
Duncan


There are a number of bunkers being combined and/or reshaped, and a few new ones.  Is this about getting back closer to Mackenzie’s original design or has that not been part of the brief?


James


All the bunkers on the course need re draining and lining. The plan is to use the Ecobunker system.


While this work is being done reshaping in more of a MacKenzie style will also be undertaken where necessary or appropriate. Ease of maintenance on what is a very exposed and windy site is also an important consideration.


Most of the "new" bunkers - particularly around greens - are actually reinstatements of original ones that have been grassed over in the years since MacKenzie was here. A couple of new fairway bunkers are planned at around 280 yards from tees. My one disagreement with Jonathan is that in my view this is unnecessary. A tiny proportion of club golfers hit the ball that far. My preference would be bunkering for maximum visual impact on the tee rather than being in play only for the big hitter.


Spookily enough, more often than not this is exactly where MacKenzie’s original fairway bunkers were. Many have been grassed over as they are no longer “relevant”. ☹️
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Sean_A

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2019, 04:47:39 AM »
If the planned work is that close to the original Dr Mac spec why not go all the way? What is the point of a slight diversion for a course like Cavendish? Authenticity will garner the club more accolades and thus visitors than planning for bigger hitters. This is a big opportunity for the club.


Happy Hockey
New plays planned for 2024:Winterfield, Alnmouth, Camden, Palmetto Bluff Crossroads Course, Colleton River Dye Course  & Old Barnwell

Thomas Dai

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2019, 07:14:36 AM »
I’ll be interested to hear/see how the Ecobunker system works with MacKenzie style bunkering.
Good luck with the overall project. Sounds like it’ll be an exciting adventure particularly for the volunteers.
Atb
PS - As things once were -
« Last Edit: December 31, 2019, 07:35:54 AM by Thomas Dai »

Mike Hendren

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2019, 09:55:20 AM »
Duncan, I hope to include Cavendish in my Buda itinerary.    Your post reminds me that as a young lad I earned a merit badge in Boy Scouts by trimming trees and cleaning up brush at our nine hole golf course.  Free labor.

Cheers,

Mike
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2019, 10:38:14 AM »
Duncan, I hope to include Cavendish in my Buda itinerary.    Your post reminds me that as a young lad I earned a merit badge in Boy Scouts by trimming trees and cleaning up brush at our nine hole golf course.  Free labor.

Cheers,

Mike


Is Ms Bogey travelling too? Take her to nearby Chatsworth House - much grander than Downton!


 [size=78%]https://www.chatsworth.org/house/[/size]    Buxton is a stunning place to stay.




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I finally got back to Cavendish this year and played comfortably my worst round of the year. 16 Stableford points!  Despite that I loved every moment and can't wait to try again.


Fingers crossed for this work.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Mike Hendren

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2019, 11:23:31 AM »
Tony, I cut a deal:  I get Buda this year and Mrs. gets a girls trip to London for the Chelsea Flower Show in 2021.  Win/win.

Stable genius,

Bogey

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Peter Pallotta

Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2019, 12:14:46 PM »
Happy to hear it for your sake, Duncan.
And just as an uninformed bit of speculation: I have a feeling that, in the long run, the most important improvement to the course in terms of more play and more outside play/visitors is that you are drying it out.
I think I have that in common with many an average golfer, i.e. that for the 'wet months' of the year especially, I'd gladly give up a whole range of other 'amenities' and even a few so-called 'great holes' for a course that is dry underfoot.
Best

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2019, 02:51:28 PM »
If the planned work is that close to the original Dr Mac spec why not go all the way? What is the point of a slight diversion for a course like Cavendish? Authenticity will garner the club more accolades and thus visitors than planning for bigger hitters. This is a big opportunity for the club.


Happy Hockey


I agree entirely.


At 5800 yards we are never going to attract tournaments or particularly appeal to elite players.


Our market is for discerning club golfers of average to good ability.


Peter is quite correct. In a region of very wet clay based golf courses the biggest potential for Cavendish is if we can become known as a well draining all season course. A year ago I wouldn’t have thought this possible. I now know that it is.


You need to include Cavendish in your winter schedule this year and see for yourself!




Duncan Cheslett

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2020, 09:12:54 AM »
Along with all members, I received the following email today from our Course Manager, Warwick Manning. To say I am delighted with the direction the club is taking in this regard would be an understatement.






Dear Duncan,

THE NEED FOR WOODLAND MANAGEMENT


I am aware that woodland management is an emotive issue. Consequently, it was a prudent decision that in association with the Centenary Project, Jonathan Gaunt (Cavendish Golf Course Architect) was asked to produce a plan that identified the significant existing tree cover, and give recommendations for action with regard to their management.
Cavendish was laid out on a fantastic moorland canvas, and has many original mature trees which were part of the early design concept. It is imperative that we now make every effort to return the landscape back more closely to its original moorland character.
In the past tree planting at Cavendish has occurred on an ad hoc basis, without much consideration being given to the subsequent size of the tree and their effect on turf grass health and sward density.
Management aims and objectives
• To protect the golfing strategy of each hole by creating sustainable woodland cover. Enhancing the character of individual holes.
• To improve the quality of the grass sward, especially on and around green and tee complex areas.
• To stop encroachment into line of play and improve line of sight issues.
• To expose the more attractive moorland trees.
• To support the development of natural regeneration of tree species and ground flora.
• To encourage sustainable heather re generation in strategic locations.
• To fell and make safe trees identified as unsafe.

The way forward
Cavendish has some magnificent specimen trees and has a definite moorland character. A more open landscape is required to benefit the agronomy of the course so it will dry quicker due to an increase in light and air circulation.
It is often mistakenly thought that trees will solve drainage problems by soaking up water in wet areas. Although trees are high water demanders, short mown grass will normally require more water than a tree. Furthermore, trees will always find the easiest source of water, normally field drains, and will therefore compound drainage problems by creating blockages.
Copses normally require thinning 10 years after planting or once the canopy begins to close.

The removal of stunted stems and those trees of poor form will concentrate future growth on better, more attractive trees, particularly important around greens and tees. This will allow all remaining trees to reach their potential and avoid wind blow.It should be the aim at Cavendish to have a net loss of trees but a net gain in quality. The trees that remain should be the larger moorland species harmonising with the landscape. This will allow a better strategy to be developed without compromising individual hole character.

The next steps
Jonathan Gaunt’s woodland plans must be viewed as a 5 to 10 year project split into strategic phases. With this in mind the first phase will be this winter covering holes 2, 6 &17, and to fit with other renovation work to be carried out on these holes.

To keep costs down the aim is to achieve as much of the work as possible using our own staff, but some specialist external expertise will be required.
The Centenary Project complied by Jonathan Gaunt shows in detail the actual work to be achieved and will be communicated in advance to Cavendish Members.


Kind Regards
Warwick

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Marty Bonnar

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2020, 09:34:11 AM »
All sounds eminently sensible. Just make sure your Architect has done all the due diligence with the Planners and Natural England, e.g., TPO’s, Conservation Area status, timing of the works, etc.
Also, you need to consider what you’ll do with the felled trees. Some might have value as useable timber and can make for great ‘vernacular’ fencing, signage, etc but defo consider leaving as much as possible for habitat creation. Dead trees can provide a home for thousands of insect and fungi species and your local birds will be most grateful.
Cheers,
F.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2020, 09:36:24 AM by Marty Bonnar »
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John Mayhugh

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2020, 09:35:11 AM »
Duncan,
Thanks for sharing this proposal. I agree that authenticity offers the greatest promise. Hope you don't mind a few questions:

3. You're leaving some of the trees between 2 & 3 nearer 3 green, but everything close to the tee is going away?

6.  The large tree to the left of 6 green gets to stay?

15. Plan is to create more hole locations on the left side of green? Is this a green speed issue? Hopefully it doesn't get tamed too much. Better to extend rather than flatten IMO.

6 & 17. Grassy hollows replacing bunkers behind both that are adjacent to each other. Was this how MacKenzie designed it?
Are the new bridges to be added due to path routing changes only or because the existing ones are nearing the end? That seems costly and I'm not sure the visual improvement of paths is that big of a deal.

A week-long course to certify to use a chainsaw for 15 inch trees? My dad's course was considerably shorter.....  You and your fellow members have my respect for tackling a lot of this work yourselves. It's worth the effort and pride.

Mike Hendren

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2020, 10:53:06 AM »

A week-long course to certify to use a chainsaw for 15 inch trees? My dad's course was considerably shorter.....  You and your fellow members have my respect for tackling a lot of this work yourselves. It's worth the effort and pride.

Perhaps it's time to organize an artisans' club limited to those locals handy with a chainsaw!  Mayhugh can be the overseas member.

Bogey
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John Mayhugh

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2020, 12:14:30 PM »
Bogey,
I suspect all sorts of laws would be violated if I was working (free or otherwise) in Buxton. Besides, I need to spend my time in England playing golf and will gladly pay for the privilege.

Thomas Dai

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans New
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2020, 12:48:00 PM »
15 inch diameter trees?
atb



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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: CAVENDISH GOLF CLUB - Centenary Course Improvement Plans
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2020, 01:15:15 PM »
15 inch diameter trees?
atb


380mm diameter, actually. So yes.


That's plenty big enough for me. Most of the trees that need removing are the silver birches planted 30 years ago and their self seeded offspring. Few of those will be bigger than 200mm.

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