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Marty Bonnar

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MacKenzie and The Eden
« on: December 17, 2019, 04:46:37 PM »

Posted this on the other thread but thought it might have some legs on its own.
The 15th at Cavendish and the 5th at Pasatiempo are two other examples of the 11th at St Andrews template, though the first of them does not work for a running approach at all.  Also the 3rd at Crystal Downs.  I'm sure there are several more.They have messed with the numbering of it, but that one severe par-3 green on the Eden course at StA always reminded me of Gibraltar; that's one of the reasons I've always thought MacKenzie had more to do with the course than the record states.
Somewhat spookily, when I went to dig out my copy of The Links for the Winter Reading Group, it was right beside Spirit of St Andrews, so I pulled it too, trying to find any reference to MacKenzie and The Eden. I could only find one on page 10 which appears to be an added comment which says “the Eden (designed by MacKenzie and H S Colt)”. I’m intrigued to think there might be more documentary evidence. Has Adam L found anything more? Tom D, have you anything more upon which to base your conclusion?
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F.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2019, 05:25:38 PM »
Marty:


I had missed that reference in The Links, but I am not surprised to hear it.  Of course, Hunter was working with MacKenzie at the time, so he had his own reasons to play up any role MacKenzie might have had at St. Andrews.


I've always believed there was a MacKenzie connection on the Eden course, although I have been officially notified more than once that this is not true.  It's just a feeling.  My only piece of evidence is the greens contouring of the four original par-3 holes. 


What's now the 1st green was originally a 200-yard par-3 with a mountainous ridge in the middle of it.  If you had to guess whether that had been built by Colt or MacKenzie, who would you guess?  I cannot think of any other Colt green remotely like it, anywhere.


The old 7th [5th now?] has been altered, but it had quite a wave of undulation in the middle of it, and fell off pretty hard at the back.


The third of them is the one I described as Gibraltar like.


The last one, the old 16th, is gone, but it was a low green with a couple of pronounced ridges running through it.  You'd have guessed it was built by Walter Travis, not Colt.




Then again, I would have sworn that the 11th green at Yarra Yarra is MacKenzie's own, but it was built by Alex Russell long after MacKenzie left Australia.  Everyone swears that it's all Russell's and MacKenzie had nothing to do with it, but I still wonder if a drawing didn't go missing.  If not, then Russell learned how to imitate his partner quite well.  But Colt wasn't likely to have done that.




Marty Bonnar

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2019, 05:40:29 PM »
Tom,
The reference is in Spirit.
Cheers,
M.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2019, 05:48:54 PM »
The (now) 1st Green:



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Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tommy Naccarato

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2019, 07:32:07 PM »
There is no way on God’s green earth that he wasn’t involved..... (IMHO)


I❤️The Eden!

Adam Lawrence

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2019, 04:27:34 AM »
I have never seen any concrete evidence of MacKenzie involvement on the Eden. Lots of hypothesis, no actual evidence. We should note that the 'Colt couldn't have built those greens' argument has to deal with the fact that he was building the wildest greens of his career at the time he built the Eden, notably at St George's Hill, where a number of greens had to be softened immediately on opening, after George Duncan had a four putt on opening day.
Adam Lawrence

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Niall C

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2019, 08:29:06 AM »
Of the contemporary reports I've seen, and I've seen a lot, all state unequivocally that it is a Colt design. The only reference to MacKenzie is in the Spirit of St Andrews and that book was edited and produced after Mac's death. I recall previous threads that dealt with that and I seem to recall it was generally agreed that the Eden reference was not by MacKenzie.


As for the notion that Colt didn't do wild greens, that is not what I've read from contemporary reports ie. pre WWI, and remember the Eden course dates from before WWI. Just because he no longer has that rep and MacKenzie does, that doesn't mean Colt didn't do bold greens. Would MacKenzie have been acutely interested in the development and design of the Eden course ? Of course he would and I'm sure that he discussed various aspects with Colt, but that is a million miles away from Colt delegating any aspect of design to MacKenzie. Remember this was a prestigious job working at the Mecca for golf and for the premier club that Colt was a member of. To me the notion that Colt used MacKenzie for any part of the design is (very) far fetched.


Niall 

Tom_Doak

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2019, 05:16:08 PM »
Didn't Colt usually do drawings for greens?  Does no one have the drawings for the Eden course?  It's inconceivable that if there were any, the R&A didn't preserve them.


Although - who was the client?  The R&A or the Town?


Niall, the problem with your argument is that you treat "design" as separate from construction supervision.  No, Colt would not have let MacKenzie "design" the course, but who was there to watch the greens be built?  How much time did Colt have for that, vs his new friend more conveniently based in Leeds?


And as for Adam's argument, why was Colt suddenly building more highly contoured greens in that period?  Who could possibly have influenced him?

Thomas Dai

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2019, 05:52:25 PM »
Are there any memory joggers within this old Paul Turner thread? -
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,2795.msg54420.html#msg54420

Shame the photos etc have disappeared.
Out of curiosity I had a quick look at the MacKenzie Timeline to see if there is any reference to him being at StA during this period but there isn’t.
One interesting Timeline reference I did spot was that Colt proposed MacKenzie for membership of the R&A.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2019, 03:04:05 AM »
Didn't Colt usually do drawings for greens?  Does no one have the drawings for the Eden course?  It's inconceivable that if there were any, the R&A didn't preserve them.


Although - who was the client?  The R&A or the Town?


Niall, the problem with your argument is that you treat "design" as separate from construction supervision.  No, Colt would not have let MacKenzie "design" the course, but who was there to watch the greens be built?  How much time did Colt have for that, vs his new friend more conveniently based in Leeds?


And as for Adam's argument, why was Colt suddenly building more highly contoured greens in that period?  Who could possibly have influenced him?



Tom,


I think you are putting the cart in front of the horse here. It is those pushing the Dr. Mac theory who NEED to provide the proof not the other way. Where are your Makenzie maps and drawings? Surely these would have also been preserved by the R&A or whoever.


The same could be said for each one of your points and it is up to those trying to change what is accepted as generally true to provide the evidence not the reverse.

Niall C

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2019, 07:58:10 AM »
Tom


That's a good question regarding who the client was. The answer will be there somewhere but if I was to guess I'd suggest that it was a Town development backed/promoted by the R&A. Certainly Council approval would have been required. If that was the case then the Council would have been the client and it is possible that somewhere in the archives they have plans. Having a fair bit of experience of delving into Council archives I'd suggest if that they aren't already in the historical archive section then they are likely destroyed (assuming they were ever in Council possession). If they are in the historical archives then I'm pretty sure we'd have already known about them.


It's also possible they are in the R&A archives but when you think how MacKenzie's TOC map supposedly was kept in the greenkeepers shed for years and was at the point of being chucked on a bonfire then I wouldn't be hopeful they still have them.


As for the difference between design and supervision of the construction, I'm well aware of the difference but there are plenty instances of Colt working in Scotland and I'm not aware of him using Mac for construction work or Mac using him. I can't recall who was the construction foreman on the Eden but I'd be surprised if it wasn't one of Colt's men. I really can't see him needing MacKenzie, or even wanting MacKenzie for the reasons I already stated.


As for who influenced who in terms of heavily contoured greens I tend to think they were of like minds. If you are looking for proof on Colt being behind such greens I recall a thread on Sunningdale where he changed the greens and the photos from then show something similar (to my eye at least) to the old 3rd green at the Eden. Also for comparison purposes it might be interesting to compare Colt's new greens on the New to the greens on the Eden to see how he might have modified his designs.


Niall

Tommy Naccarato

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2019, 08:48:54 AM »
Didn't Colt usually do drawings for greens?  Does no one have the drawings for the Eden course?  It's inconceivable that if there were any, the R&A didn't preserve them.


Although - who was the client?  The R&A or the Town?


Niall, the problem with your argument is that you treat "design" as separate from construction supervision.  No, Colt would not have let MacKenzie "design" the course, but who was there to watch the greens be built?  How much time did Colt have for that, vs his new friend more conveniently based in Leeds?


And as for Adam's argument, why was Colt suddenly building more highly contoured greens in that period?  Who could possibly have influenced him?


Have to agree with Tom here.  The overseeing of construction by trusted “authorities” (as they used to call them) was the normal.  Especially if MacKenzie eventually becomes a consulting architect for ALL of the courses.  There had to have been a trust established, and yes, this is speculative.


I’ve played the Eden more then any of the other courses at St. Andrews, simply because of cost of budgeting myself there for one month to the pure fact I enjoyed it immensely almost every night I was there!  I could play those first 11 holes and die a happy man!  But sadness does set in knowing the holes they lost to build that stupid practice facility no one uses!  (At least I saw very few people using it in my time there)


Another GREAT set of greens and strategy is that of #6 & #7.  On #6, if your near the dune line, right side on your drive on #6, you’re completely blinded!  You can only see a bit of the left side of the green. It’s a fun shot, despite being blind!  But if your left side of the fairway, it’s a show!  The green has a rather profound contour that will take the ball left to right in a circus-like display!  It just rolls all around into that front portion of the green.  It makes getting to the back 2/3rds of the green very difficult by defense. 




On #7, the green take a rather ominous slanted tilt, right and away from the River Eden which sits closely by. 




Adam Lawrence

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2019, 09:02:45 AM »
The client was the St Andrews Town Council. As proved by this quote from the Claude Harris interview that Lee Patterson found a few months ago:


“Then we were invited to do the New Fourth course at St. Andrews. Just to think of it, a London firm of contractors, making a new golf course in Scotland! This new course is really very good and very difficult. It lies inside and further from the sea than the Old Course. It is on the Elysian Fields, and then out by the Eden, the first tee being near the mythical stationmaster’s garden, and behind Forgan’s timber sheds. There was quite a funny story that I must tell you about this. Before we got the contract, I went up to interview the Town Council, and after I had had my say and told them something of how we proposed to do the work, a gentleman got up and solemnly remarked, in an accent that I am afraid I cannot reproduce, ‘Noo, Mr. Harris, you’ve told us a lot of what you are going to doo, and you’ve told us a lot of what you ha’ dune, but ha you ever dune a course for a Scotch Toon Council?” And I had to admit that I hadn’t, but they were very good to me, these councillors of St. Andrews, and I am quite sure that course will turn out a fine test of golf.”
Which kind of illustrates my point. If you want to believe that MacKenzie was involved that is your perfect right and no-one can stop you. But it is a belief, no more than that, until you can produce hard evidence to support the theory. 'Colt could not have done those greens' is not evidence.


It is rather like another interesting little GCA mystery, the question of Tom Simpson at the Berkshire. Lots of people assume that Simpson played a significant role with his partner Fowler at the Berkshire, and, to be sure, some of the original bunkering does look rather like his. But there is NOT ONE SCRAP of hard evidence placing Simpson on site during any stage of construction. Former club secretary Peter Foord made a very detailed examination of the construction archives -- which, as it was basically a government project (it was promoted by the Crown Estates, who were the landlords) are pretty extensive. He didn't find a thing. QED we have to say that it was, absent any other evidence being turned up, Fowler tout seul.
Adam Lawrence

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Adam Lawrence

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2019, 09:06:59 AM »

Have to agree with Tom here.  The overseeing of construction by trusted “authorities” (as they used to call them) was the normal.  Especially if MacKenzie eventually becomes a consulting architect for ALL of the courses.



Which he never did.
Adam Lawrence

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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2019, 09:14:28 AM »
The client was the St Andrews Town Council. As proved by this quote from the Claude Harris interview that Lee Patterson found a few months ago:


“Then we were invited to do the New Fourth course at St. Andrews. Just to think of it, a London firm of contractors, making a new golf course in Scotland! This new course is really very good and very difficult. It lies inside and further from the sea than the Old Course. It is on the Elysian Fields, and then out by the Eden, the first tee being near the mythical stationmaster’s garden, and behind Forgan’s timber sheds. There was quite a funny story that I must tell you about this. Before we got the contract, I went up to interview the Town Council, and after I had had my say and told them something of how we proposed to do the work, a gentleman got up and solemnly remarked, in an accent that I am afraid I cannot reproduce, ‘Noo, Mr. Harris, you’ve told us a lot of what you are going to doo, and you’ve told us a lot of what you ha’ dune, but ha you ever dune a course for a Scotch Toon Council?” And I had to admit that I hadn’t, but they were very good to me, these councillors of St. Andrews, and I am quite sure that course will turn out a fine test of golf.”
Which kind of illustrates my point. If you want to believe that MacKenzie was involved that is your perfect right and no-one can stop you. But it is a belief, no more than that, until you can produce hard evidence to support the theory. 'Colt could not have done those greens' is not evidence.




As there is a significant body of Colt's work overseen by Franks Harris, and  this is the only 'proof' anyone has produced;


  Ding, ding...we have a winner. Thanks Adam.





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Tom_Doak

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2019, 09:41:24 AM »
If any of you bothered to read my post carefully, you would have read that I said I can't prove my assertion, that it has been 'debunked' by experts [Colt fans] before, and that I've been wrong about similar things.


The weak part of the Colt argument is that "he built many greens like that elsewhere" but then they have all been destroyed.


I'm not an historian, and I don't have any old papers to dig around in to try and prove my assertion.  But I do have a pretty good feeling for MacKenzie's work, and those greens on the Eden look like his work.  That's really all I've got; it's only a theory based on intuition.


Tell me he wasn't there, and I'm happy to drop it.

Tommy Naccarato

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2019, 10:10:30 AM »
But we have a drawing done by Tillinghast, signed by MacKenzie, Tilly, Old Tom & David Scott-Taylor that proves that Mac was in St. Andrews at the Scores Hotel in what was it?  1904?


I’ll stand down!  Still love that course!

MCirba

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2019, 02:02:52 PM »
Hey, it's not GCA without a good attribution battle now and then.   ;D
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Tim Gallant

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2019, 07:58:46 AM »
Nothing to add, other than I took this photo of the first green this summer after a torrential rain! Love at first sight.



Kalen Braley

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2019, 11:48:40 AM »
Hey, it's not GCA without a good attribution battle now and then.   ;D


Mike,


I was just thinking GCA needs another 20+ page Merion skirmish.  Given the winter has set in, and plenty will soon be in full on cabin fever mode, the timing is perfect!  :D

Neil_Crafter

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2019, 04:39:30 PM »
Hi guys. regarding the mention in SoSA, that was not in MacKenzie's manuscript but was added by Sleeping Bear Press (according to Ray Haddock) in the publishing process for some reason. There are some hints but nothing definitive as to MacKenzie's involvement pre war in the Eden's construction. But he was definitely there post war when the course was being reworked. This is my draft entry for the Eden from my manuscript for my MacKenzie Courses book which I hope to get published some day. Make of it what you will.


    The Eden Course
St. Andrews, Fife, Scotland
Not listed by DSH, Hawtree. C&W list as a new course from 1913 with H.S. Colt. Not listed in MacKenzie’s 1923 Brochure.
Possible involvement 1912-14, confirmed 1919-20
New course, possible assistance to H.S. Colt; later post-war construction visits as part of Colt, MacKenzie & Alison.
The design of a fourth course at St. Andrews – a new municipal course to complement the Old, the New and the Jubilee and to ease the pressure on the first two courses - was commissioned in 1912 by the St. Andrews Town Council, with Harry Colt chosen as the architect as part of a detailed agreement between the Royal & Ancient and the Town Council. The Town Council agreed to lease land to the south-west of the Old Course owned by James Cheape of Strathtyrum for £130 per annum for 25 years. Colt’s layout was somewhat compromised by Cheape’s refusal to lease the land that would have given an ideal third hole, thus necessitating a walk of 200 yards and a bridge crossing over the railway to get from the 2nd green to the 3rd tee. A further restriction was the inisistence by the R&A to retain a large triangular section of turfed ground north of the railway as a turf nursery. This forced Colt’s holes onto rougher ground to the north. 
The new course was built by Colt’s preferred contractor Claude Harris from Franks Harris Bros., who utilised local labour, with £3,000 expended on the constructional work. A further £4,000 was spent on a water supply network to provide irrigation water to all four courses, to which the R&A also contributed. The new course opened on 2 July 1914, just prior to the outbreak of World War I. Colt’s bunkering was immediately criticized as too severe, with the 14th hole being described by G.S. Meiklejohn, a St. Andrews golfer who wrote an article on the new course for ‘Golf illustrated’ in their 17 July 1914 issue, as a “nightmare of bunkering.” Meiklejohn recorded that Colt had made a total of 88 bunkers across the new Eden course. Fred Hawtree suggested that Colt decided not to charge realistic fees for the Eden “and even had to be encouraged to charge his travelling expenses.”
In their book “The Life and Work of Dr Alister MacKenzie,” authors Doak, Scott and Haddock speculate that MacKenzie spent a lot of time in St Andrews while the Eden was being constructed and may have had a hand in constructing some of the more severe greens there, noting that “Originally, all of its four short holes featured stunningly contoured, outlandish greens, just as severe as some of those on The Old Course, if not more so. (In fact they’re more like the famous “Himalayas,” the St. Andrews Ladies’ Putting Green that adjoins the second tee of The Old Course and which MacKenzie admired in ‘Golf Architecture’.) What’s puzzling about these Eden course greens – today’s first, fifth and 14th – is that they are much more severe than anything Colt ever designed, before or after, and quite out of character for him.” The book then goes on to pose the question, “So how to explain the first green on the Eden Course? If Mackenzie didn’t strongly influence its creation, it very well may be that the design of that green influenced him, because from 1913 onward he became known for undulating greens so severe that they set his work apart.”
In his first book "Golf Architecture” (1920), MacKenzie provided no hint of any direct involvement with the Eden course and notes Colt as the architect. Some further “evidence” is contained in the trade edition of MacKenzie’s lost book ‘The Spirit of St. Andrews’ on page 10 where he mentions the Eden Course and after it, in parentheses, is the notation “(designed by MacKenzie and H. S. Colt).” According to Ray Haddock, grandson of MacKenzie’s second wife Hilda and the man responsible for rediscovering the lost manuscript, the trade edition of the book was edited by the publisher Sleeping Bear Press and not by him, with this credit being added by the publisher. This edition was "considerably edited" in his words and this credit does not appear in the limited collectors edition which was printed verbatim from the original manuscript.
Ray Haddock's comment to the author was that the Eden course was a Colt design with MacKenzie as his kind of assistant and he was on site during its construction. He did not advise though how he came to this conclusion.
At this time there is no known documentary evidence to support the notion of a pre-war involvement in the design and construction of the Eden Course by MacKenzie, especially given how busy MacKenzie was with his own projects through 1913 and 1914. However, his post-war involvement at the Eden is most certainly documented.
MacKenzie was present in St. Andrews at a limited professional tournament of 8 players sponsored by the Town Council with a purse of £155 - including all the big names of British professional golf such as Braid, Taylor, Vardon, Ray, Herd, Mitchell and Duncan – that was held over the Eden Course on Friday 27 June 1919, the course’s first big tournament test. MacKenzie was reported by ‘The Scotsman’ as being in attendance on the day of the tournament and the article stated that:
“One interesting opinion heard on Friday, when the professional tournament was played over the course, may be quoted. Dr Mackenzie, the well-known course architect, who was on the spot, described the Eden course as the second best in Scotland. The first, in his view, it need hardly be added, is also at St Andrews. His claim for the Eden course would probably be disputed in more than one locality. The other is more likely of general acceptance – J. H. Taylor notably excepted.” 
This poses two questions - was he there at the Eden simply representing his new firm of Colt, Mackenzie & Alison in Harry Colt’s absence, or was he there because he also had an involvement in its design and construction prior to the war? These questions are almost impossible to answer.
J.H. Taylor led the criticisms of the new course, suggesting that there were certain holes on the course, such as the 14th, that were absurd and simply impossible to play properly.These criticisms, coming as they were from a number of quarters, both amateurs and professionals alike, forced the Town Council to consider alterations to the course. By this time MacKenzie was in partnership with Colt, and accordingly the new firm of Colt, Mackenzie & Alison was engaged to undertake them. The firm’s favourite contractor, Franks Harris Bros., who had constructed the course originally, was called back to undertake the necessary remodeling works. Whether MacKenzie was involved in formulating with Harry Colt the make-up of the alterations to the Eden course is not known, however, given that MacKenzie was there in St. Andrews in June 1919 to see how the course played during the professional tournament, it would seem likely that Colt, at the very least, asked him for his views.
The ‘Dundee Courier’ of 8 November 1919 listed the proposed alterations to the Eden Course that had been approved by the Town Links Committee, and these included:
“Nos. 1, 3 and 4 Holes -  Formation of extended teeing ground and at the fourth the thinning out of whins around the green.
No. 5 – Thinning out whins on west side of fairway and making ground available for turf.
No. 6 – Thinning whins at two sides of green.
No. 7 – Extending teeing ground and thinning whins at back of green.
No. 12 – Extending of teeing ground.
No 18 – Returfing centre of green.
It is proposed to fill in the ground between the 9th and 14th greens, so as to make one large double green; also to lower the approach to No. 13 green by two feet and lower No. 14 green by two feet and widen the approach, but before doing so it was resolved to consult the architect Mr H. S. Colt, when he visits St. Andrews shortly.” 
It would appear that the Town Links Committee came up with this list on their own, and while it is not known exactly what Colt proposed, it is known that he concurred with the extensive removal and thinning of the whins around the course, while reports from 1920 indicate that the 3rd and 4th greens likely came in for some remodeling as well.
MacKenzie did undertake a number of inspection visits during the remodeling of the Eden during 1920.  A report in the ‘Yorkshire Post on 3 March 1920 about MacKenzie and his design activities, stated that:
“Last week, for example, he spent on the inspection of courses as wide apart as the new Eden course at St. Andrews and the very fine links that are being made at Felixstowe, with three or four others in between. He works in co-operation with Mr H. S. Colt, and they are jointly responsible, I imagine, for the greater number of the new courses that are now being made in the country.”
On 14 April 1920, MacKenzie wrote to his client at the Bury Golf Club, Norman Duxbury, in reference to the contractors Franks Harris Bros., “who are at present doing the New and Eden Courses at St. Andrews, Felixstowe, and several other courses for us.” He wrote again to Duxbury on 19 July that year, saying “I am just off to visit Courses at Troon, Pollok, the New & Eden Courses, St Andrews & Dinsdale Spa.” These are just two of his recorded visits to the New and Eden courses that were under reconstruction by the firm at the same time, and as MacKenzie had other projects in Scotland around this time it is considered quite likely that he undertook other visits to direct work during construction on both these courses during working visits to Scotland.
 

Sean_A

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2019, 03:33:58 AM »
Hi guys. regarding the mention in SoSA, that was not in MacKenzie's manuscript but was added by Sleeping Bear Press (according to Ray Haddock) in the publishing process for some reason. There are some hints but nothing definitive as to MacKenzie's involvement pre war in the Eden's construction. But he was definitely there post war when the course was being reworked. This is my draft entry for the Eden from my manuscript for my MacKenzie Courses book which I hope to get published some day. Make of it what you will.


    The Eden Course
St. Andrews, Fife, Scotland
Not listed by DSH, Hawtree. C&W list as a new course from 1913 with H.S. Colt. Not listed in MacKenzie’s 1923 Brochure.
Possible involvement 1912-14, confirmed 1919-20
New course, possible assistance to H.S. Colt; later post-war construction visits as part of Colt, MacKenzie & Alison.
The design of a fourth course at St. Andrews – a new municipal course to complement the Old, the New and the Jubilee and to ease the pressure on the first two courses - was commissioned in 1912 by the St. Andrews Town Council, with Harry Colt chosen as the architect as part of a detailed agreement between the Royal & Ancient and the Town Council. The Town Council agreed to lease land to the south-west of the Old Course owned by James Cheape of Strathtyrum for £130 per annum for 25 years. Colt’s layout was somewhat compromised by Cheape’s refusal to lease the land that would have given an ideal third hole, thus necessitating a walk of 200 yards and a bridge crossing over the railway to get from the 2nd green to the 3rd tee. A further restriction was the inisistence by the R&A to retain a large triangular section of turfed ground north of the railway as a turf nursery. This forced Colt’s holes onto rougher ground to the north. 
The new course was built by Colt’s preferred contractor Claude Harris from Franks Harris Bros., who utilised local labour, with £3,000 expended on the constructional work. A further £4,000 was spent on a water supply network to provide irrigation water to all four courses, to which the R&A also contributed. The new course opened on 2 July 1914, just prior to the outbreak of World War I. Colt’s bunkering was immediately criticized as too severe, with the 14th hole being described by G.S. Meiklejohn, a St. Andrews golfer who wrote an article on the new course for ‘Golf illustrated’ in their 17 July 1914 issue, as a “nightmare of bunkering.” Meiklejohn recorded that Colt had made a total of 88 bunkers across the new Eden course. Fred Hawtree suggested that Colt decided not to charge realistic fees for the Eden “and even had to be encouraged to charge his travelling expenses.”
In their book “The Life and Work of Dr Alister MacKenzie,” authors Doak, Scott and Haddock speculate that MacKenzie spent a lot of time in St Andrews while the Eden was being constructed and may have had a hand in constructing some of the more severe greens there, noting that “Originally, all of its four short holes featured stunningly contoured, outlandish greens, just as severe as some of those on The Old Course, if not more so. (In fact they’re more like the famous “Himalayas,” the St. Andrews Ladies’ Putting Green that adjoins the second tee of The Old Course and which MacKenzie admired in ‘Golf Architecture’.) What’s puzzling about these Eden course greens – today’s first, fifth and 14th – is that they are much more severe than anything Colt ever designed, before or after, and quite out of character for him.” The book then goes on to pose the question, “So how to explain the first green on the Eden Course? If Mackenzie didn’t strongly influence its creation, it very well may be that the design of that green influenced him, because from 1913 onward he became known for undulating greens so severe that they set his work apart.”
In his first book "Golf Architecture” (1920), MacKenzie provided no hint of any direct involvement with the Eden course and notes Colt as the architect. Some further “evidence” is contained in the trade edition of MacKenzie’s lost book ‘The Spirit of St. Andrews’ on page 10 where he mentions the Eden Course and after it, in parentheses, is the notation “(designed by MacKenzie and H. S. Colt).” According to Ray Haddock, grandson of MacKenzie’s second wife Hilda and the man responsible for rediscovering the lost manuscript, the trade edition of the book was edited by the publisher Sleeping Bear Press and not by him, with this credit being added by the publisher. This edition was "considerably edited" in his words and this credit does not appear in the limited collectors edition which was printed verbatim from the original manuscript.
Ray Haddock's comment to the author was that the Eden course was a Colt design with MacKenzie as his kind of assistant and he was on site during its construction. He did not advise though how he came to this conclusion.
At this time there is no known documentary evidence to support the notion of a pre-war involvement in the design and construction of the Eden Course by MacKenzie, especially given how busy MacKenzie was with his own projects through 1913 and 1914. However, his post-war involvement at the Eden is most certainly documented.
MacKenzie was present in St. Andrews at a limited professional tournament of 8 players sponsored by the Town Council with a purse of £155 - including all the big names of British professional golf such as Braid, Taylor, Vardon, Ray, Herd, Mitchell and Duncan – that was held over the Eden Course on Friday 27 June 1919, the course’s first big tournament test. MacKenzie was reported by ‘The Scotsman’ as being in attendance on the day of the tournament and the article stated that:
“One interesting opinion heard on Friday, when the professional tournament was played over the course, may be quoted. Dr Mackenzie, the well-known course architect, who was on the spot, described the Eden course as the second best in Scotland. The first, in his view, it need hardly be added, is also at St Andrews. His claim for the Eden course would probably be disputed in more than one locality. The other is more likely of general acceptance – J. H. Taylor notably excepted.”
This poses two questions - was he there at the Eden simply representing his new firm of Colt, Mackenzie & Alison in Harry Colt’s absence, or was he there because he also had an involvement in its design and construction prior to the war? These questions are almost impossible to answer.
J.H. Taylor led the criticisms of the new course, suggesting that there were certain holes on the course, such as the 14th, that were absurd and simply impossible to play properly.These criticisms, coming as they were from a number of quarters, both amateurs and professionals alike, forced the Town Council to consider alterations to the course. By this time MacKenzie was in partnership with Colt, and accordingly the new firm of Colt, Mackenzie & Alison was engaged to undertake them. The firm’s favourite contractor, Franks Harris Bros., who had constructed the course originally, was called back to undertake the necessary remodeling works. Whether MacKenzie was involved in formulating with Harry Colt the make-up of the alterations to the Eden course is not known, however, given that MacKenzie was there in St. Andrews in June 1919 to see how the course played during the professional tournament, it would seem likely that Colt, at the very least, asked him for his views.
The ‘Dundee Courier’ of 8 November 1919 listed the proposed alterations to the Eden Course that had been approved by the Town Links Committee, and these included:
“Nos. 1, 3 and 4 Holes -  Formation of extended teeing ground and at the fourth the thinning out of whins around the green.
No. 5 – Thinning out whins on west side of fairway and making ground available for turf.
No. 6 – Thinning whins at two sides of green.
No. 7 – Extending teeing ground and thinning whins at back of green.
No. 12 – Extending of teeing ground.
No 18 – Returfing centre of green.
It is proposed to fill in the ground between the 9th and 14th greens, so as to make one large double green; also to lower the approach to No. 13 green by two feet and lower No. 14 green by two feet and widen the approach, but before doing so it was resolved to consult the architect Mr H. S. Colt, when he visits St. Andrews shortly.” 
It would appear that the Town Links Committee came up with this list on their own, and while it is not known exactly what Colt proposed, it is known that he concurred with the extensive removal and thinning of the whins around the course, while reports from 1920 indicate that the 3rd and 4th greens likely came in for some remodeling as well.
MacKenzie did undertake a number of inspection visits during the remodeling of the Eden during 1920.  A report in the ‘Yorkshire Post on 3 March 1920 about MacKenzie and his design activities, stated that:
“Last week, for example, he spent on the inspection of courses as wide apart as the new Eden course at St. Andrews and the very fine links that are being made at Felixstowe, with three or four others in between. He works in co-operation with Mr H. S. Colt, and they are jointly responsible, I imagine, for the greater number of the new courses that are now being made in the country.”
On 14 April 1920, MacKenzie wrote to his client at the Bury Golf Club, Norman Duxbury, in reference to the contractors Franks Harris Bros., “who are at present doing the New and Eden Courses at St. Andrews, Felixstowe, and several other courses for us.” He wrote again to Duxbury on 19 July that year, saying “I am just off to visit Courses at Troon, Pollok, the New & Eden Courses, St Andrews & Dinsdale Spa.” These are just two of his recorded visits to the New and Eden courses that were under reconstruction by the firm at the same time, and as MacKenzie had other projects in Scotland around this time it is considered quite likely that he undertook other visits to direct work during construction on both these courses during working visits to Scotland.

Neil

Thanks! I am convinced that Colt would and did build extremely complicated and wild greens. So that side of the argument that it must have been Dr Mac doesn't hold any water for me. While there is no current evidence to support Dr Mac's involvement in the original Eden design, what does your gut tell you and why?

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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2019, 09:48:09 AM »

Great photo Tim, this green is beyond remarkable. Stunning.

Nothing to add, other than I took this photo of the first green this summer after a torrential rain! Love at first sight.



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James Bennett

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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2019, 06:10:29 PM »
I think the building behind the green is just the perfect juxtaposition.

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Re: MacKenzie and The Eden
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2019, 08:36:29 PM »
I think the building behind the green is just the perfect juxtaposition.

James B


It’s now a public lavvy, which now, more or less, rather succinctly, sums up my opinion of the Links Trust.
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The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.