YANK'S NIFTY 50 2019

[Sean_A]

I tend to care much more about what I like rather than what I think is best,  While it is wonderful to play the greats of the game, my tastes run more toward cheap, cheerful, distinctive terrain, good walk, f&f, quirky, lovely setting etc.  Yet none of that matters much if the quality of design isn't present and so this must be the #1 priority.  However, quality doesn't necessarily mean among the best in the world, country or state.  There is plenty of praise worthy quality which doesn't make top 100 lists.  That said, there will inevitably be some cross over best and favourites.  The courses in bold are those I currently consider among the top 50 best of GB&I.  I also took the liberty of including 11 non GB&I courses (in red) which would make my overall Nifty 50..I leave it to you to guess which GB&I courses make way for these 11 interlopers. 

Aberdovey, Wales
Addington, England
Aiken, South Carolina
Alnmouth Village, England
Appleby, England
Ballybunion Cashen, Ireland
Barton Hills, Michigan
Beau Desert, England
Brancaster, England
Burnham & Berrow Channel, England
Castlerock Bann, Northern Ireland
Cavendish, England
Corballis, Ireland
Cruden Bay, Scotland
Cleeve Cloud, England
Dornoch, Scotland
Dunstanburgh Castle, England
Edgbaston, England
Elie, Scotland
Formby Ladies, England
Franklin Hills, Michigan
Goswick, England
Gullane #3, Scotland
Harborne, England
Hardelot Les Pin, France
Hockley, England
Hunstanton, England
Kington, England
Lakewood Shores Gailes, Michigan 
Llandrindod Wells, Wales
Leckford Old, England
Lederach, Pennsylvania
LuLu, Pennsylvania
Minchinhampton Old, England
North Berwick, Scotland
Northamptonshire Co, England
Notts, England
Old Town, North Carolina
Oxford, England
Palmetto, South Carolina
Pennard, Wales
Perranporth, England
Pinehurst #2, North Carolina
Pine Needles, North Carolina
Portrush Valley Links, Northern Ireland
Princes (Shore/Dunes), England
Pulborough, England
Reddish Vale, England
Reigate Heath, England
Royal Automobile Club Old Course, England
Sacred 9, England
St Andrews Eden, Scotland
St Andrews New, Scotland
St Andrews Old, Scotland
St Enodoc, England
Silloth on Solway, England
Southerndown, Wales
Sutton Coldfield Winter Card, England
The Island, Ireland
Welshpool, Wales           
Westward Ho!, England
Woking, England     

Updated 31.12.19

I would like to see lists of favourite course, for whatever reasons.

Happy Hockey

[Greg Gilson]

Sean, I could never work out what "best"  meant so, ever since I started playing lots of courses, I always listed my "favourites". That list (with criteria + extras) is:


 

[size=0pt]Gilson’s Favourite 50[/size]

  [font=]St Andrews(Old)[/font] [font=][/size]Cypress Point[/font] [font=][/size]National Golf Links of America[/font] [font=][/size]Pine Valley[/font] [font=][/size]Cruden Bay[/font] [font=][/size]Oakmont[/font] [font=][/size]Morfontaine[/font] [font=][/size]Pacific Dunes[/font] [font=][/size]Garden City[/font] [font=][/size]New South Wales[/font] [font=][/size]Shoreacres[/font] [font=][/size]Sunningdale(Old)[/font] [font=][/size]Royal Dornoch[/font] [font=][/size]Chambers Bay[/font] [font=][/size]Cape Wickham[/font] [font=][/size]Merion(East)[/font] [font=][/size]Fisher’s Island[/font] [font=][/size]Whistling Straits(Straits)[/font] [font=][/size]Bandon Dunes[/font] [font=][/size]Kawana (Fuji)[/font] [font=][/size]Ballybunion(Old)[/font] [font=][/size]Hirono[/font] [font=][/size]Diamante[/font] [font=][/size]Crystal Downs[/font] [font=][/size]Tobacco Road[/font] [font=][/size]Royal County Down[/font] [font=][/size]Cabot Cliffs[/font] [font=][/size]Kingston[size=&#38] Heath[/size][/font] [font=][/size]Prairie Dunes[/font] [font=][/size]Royal St Georges[/font] [font=][/size]Chicago[/font] [font=][/size]Royal Melbourne (West)[/font] [font=][/size]Turnberry(Ailsa)[/font] [font=][/size]Lahinch[/font] [font=][/size]Sand Hills[/font] [font=][/size]TPC(Sawgrass)[/font] [font=][/size]Cape Kidnappers[/font] [font=][/size]Swinley Forest[/font] [font=][/size]Camargo[/font] [font=][/size]Shinnecock Hills[/font] [font=][/size]Tara Iti [/font] [font=][/size]Royal Cinque Ports[/font] [font=][/size]Machrihanish[/font] [font=][/size]Ocean Dunes[/font] [font=][/size]Nanea[/font] [font=][/size]Kiawah Island(Ocean)[/font] [font=][/size]Friar’s Head[/font] [font=][/size]Olympic (Lake)[/font] [font=][/size]Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog)[/font] [font=][/size]The Island[/font]  [/size] The Next 30….Western Gailes, San Francisco, Muirfield, Carnoustie(Championship), The Golf Club, St Germain, Old Sandwich, Winged Foot (East), Pebble Beach, Kingsbarns, Somerset Hills, Bandon Trails, Ganton, North Berwick, The National (Old), Fontainebleau, Barnbougle Dunes, Royal Portrush, Kauri Cliffs, Yeaman’s Hall, Lost Farm, Prestwick, Kennedy Bay, Seminole, Muirfield Village, Panmure, Bethpage (Black), Ballyneal, Dismal River (Nicklaus), St Georges (Toronto)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Highly ranked courses not making either list include Oak Hill (East), Royal Birkdale, Loch Lomond, Riviera, Walton Heath (Old), Royal Liverpool, Los Angeles (North), Pinehurst #2, Quaker Ridge, Inverness, Scioto, Oakland Hills, Royal Lytham, Woodhall Spa, Southern Hills, Portmarnock, Baltusrol (Lower), Royal Troon, Medinah # 3, Harbour Town, Valderrama, Colonial, Oitavos Dunes, Naruo, Tokyo, 9 Bridges.
My Criteria:[/u]

         -based on “the experience” I had on my round(s) at each course
         -“Experience” =
                           -50% - Quality of the course architecture (especially variety, challenge & quirk)
                           -25% - Quality of atmosphere, history, conditions, clubhouse
                           -25% - How much fun I had, desire to return, “if I had 1 last round”
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5 Most Over-Rated:[/u]

                  -“my rating” versus Golf Magazine 2009 World List
                  -Medinah #3
                  -Oitavos Dunes       
                  -Valderrama
                  -Southern Hills
                  -Scioto
                 
5 Most Under-Rated:[/u]

                  -“my rating” versus Golf Magazine 2009 World List
                  -Shoreacres
-Tobacco Road                  -Royal Cinque Ports
-Western Gailes                  -St Germain
                 

“Courses I would love to play every day”:[/u]

                  -NGLA
                  -Cruden Bay
                  -Garden City
                  -Shoreacres
                  -Swinley Forest
 

[Greg Gilson]

Yes, well that worked a treat. So much for cut/pasting from my WORD document. Sorry to the readers!

[Scott Warren]

Greg,


Paste it into Notepad first, then cut from there and paste into GCA. It will strip the formatting and make it appear without all the coding.

[Thomas Dai]

My nifty list is pretty similar to Sean's although there are some courses on his listing I've not yet played (and perhaps some mentioned below that he may not have done yet).

Courses I would add -

Dooks
Mulranny
Carne (all 27-holes)
Dunfanaghy
Annesley at RCD
Portmarnock (27)
Brora
St Olaf at Cruden Bay
Carnoustie
Muirfield
Yelverton
Frilford Heath (Green)
Tadmarton Heath

There are many famous, bigger name, lengthier, more difficult courses that I've played and played well at over the years that I respect and could have included, but I haven't. Indeed there are some big name, famous courses that I'm happy to never to play again unless someone else is paying.
There comes a point when fun and enjoyment and smiles and walking off the 18th green wanting to play again rather than walking off the 18th green beat-up and weary and knackered takes precedence. This doesn't mean a desire to abstain from challenge or difficulty though, these are still important, essential even, but challenge and difficulty don't necessarily come only with a famous name and length, although sometimes they and fun and enjoyment and smiles do when an appropriate tee is used.
Each to their own though.

atb

[Tommy Williamsen]

Westward Ho!  You been converted?

[Sean_A]

Westward Ho!  You been converted?

Tommy

I have been won over to some degree.  Oddly, I think if done well, the post erosion work could make the course better.  Much will hinge on the 7th...a hole which impresses me.

Greg

Very impressive list!

Happy Hockey

[Thomas Dai]

Westward Ho!  You been converted?

I have been won over to some degree.  Oddly, I think if done well, the post erosion work could make the course better.  Much will hinge on the 7th...a hole which impresses me.

When I played Westward Ho! recently we were still playing to the normal green but he 'new' greensite for the 7th was being worked on and looked impressive.
atb

[jeffwarne]

My nifty list is pretty similar to Sean's although there are some courses on his listing I've not yet played (and perhaps some mentioned below that he may not have done yet).

Courses I would add -

Dooks
Mulranny
Carne (all 27-holes)
Dunfanaghy
Annesley at RCD
Portmarnock (27)
Brora
St Olaf at Cruden Bay
Carnoustie
Muirfield
Yelverton
Frilford Heath (Green)
Tadmarton Heath

Sub out Carnoustie for Fraserburgh and Muirfield for Northwest GC and I like your mini list
(although Portsalon has to slide in there somewhere-in for Portmaronack!)


I just saw Northwest was 80th in Ireland!
If there are 80 better courses in Ireland there would be no need to EVER leave Ireland

[Sean_A]

My nifty list is pretty similar to Sean's although there are some courses on his listing I've not yet played (and perhaps some mentioned below that he may not have done yet).

Courses I would add -

Dooks
Mulranny
Carne (all 27-holes)
Dunfanaghy
Annesley at RCD
Portmarnock (27)
Brora
St Olaf at Cruden Bay
Carnoustie
Muirfield
Yelverton
Frilford Heath (Green)
Tadmarton Heath

There are many famous, bigger name, lengthier, more difficult courses that I've played and played well at over the years that I respect and could have included, but I haven't. Indeed there are some big name, famous courses that I'm happy to never to play again unless someone else is paying.
There comes a point when fun and enjoyment and smiles and walking off the 18th green wanting to play again rather than walking off the 18th green beat-up and weary and knackered takes precedence. This doesn't mean a desire to abstain from challenge or difficulty though, these are still important, essential even, but challenge and difficulty don't necessarily come only with a famous name and length, although sometimes they and fun and enjoyment and smiles do when an appropriate tee is used.
Each to their own though.

atb

ATB

I keep going back to Taddy and I am afraid the course simply doesn't click with me.  I do have a few on your list targeted, but time will tell if I ever get to them.  However, none listed that I have played are near Nifty 50.  West Cornwall, Purbeck & Huntercombe are three which just missed out.

Happy Hockey

[Michael Whitaker]

This was harder than I thought it would be!

FIRST EDIT...

Alwoodley, England
Barnbougle Dunes, Tasmania
Black Mesa, New Mexico
Brora, Scotland
Bulls Bay, South Carolina
Burnham & Berrow, England
Caledonia, South Carolina
Carolina Golf Club, North Carolina
Cleeve Hill, England Cabot Links, Nova Scotia
Cliffs at Mountain Park, South Carolina
Cruden Bay, Scotland
Cruit Island, Ireland
Deal, England
Dismal River Red, Nebraska
Dooks Golf Club, Ireland
Dunbar, Scotland
Elie, Scotland
Formby, England
Friars Head, New York
Gailes Links, Scotland
Golspie, Scotland
Hardelot Les Pins, France
Holston Hills, Tennessee
Huntercombe, England
Kingsley Club, Michigan
Kingston Heath, Australia
Lahinch, Ireland
Lawsonia Links, Wisconsin
Liphook, England
Mammoth Dunes, Wisconsin
North Berwick, Scotland
Notts, England
Old Macdonald, Oregon
Pennard, Wales
Royal Dornoch, Scotland
Royal Melbourne, Australia
Rye, England
Sand Hills, Nebraska
Silloth, England
Sleepy Hollow, New York
St Enodoc, England
St Georges, New York
Stoatin Brae, Michigan
Streamsong Black, Florida
Sweetens Cove, Tennessee
Swinley Forest, England
Tobacco Road, North Carolina
Utrechtse de Pan, Netherlands
Wexford Plantation, South Carolina
Wild Horse, Nebraska

[Derek Holland]

A fun exercise to think about my "Fun 50" rather than best although there is a good amount of overlap:


Bandon Trails, Oregon
Barnbougle Dunes, Tasmania
Barton Hills, Michigan
Big Fish, Wisconsin
Bulle Rock, Maryland
Cabot Cliffs, Nova Scotia
Cabot Links, Nova Scotia
Commonwealth GC, Victoria
Crowbush Cove, PEI
Diamond Springs, Michigan
Dismal River (Red), Nebraska
Elk Rapids GC, Michigan
Formby, England
Green Gables, PEI
Greywalls, Michigan
Highland Links, Nova Scotia
High Pointe (NLE), Michigan
Kapalula, Hawaii
Keller, Minnesota
Kingsley Club, Michigan
Kingston Heath, Victoria
Lakewood Shores (The Gailes), Michigan
Leslie Park, Michigan
Mammoth Dunes, Wisconsin
Manitou Ridge, Minnesota
Marquette GC, Michigan
Midland Hills CC, Minnesota
New South Wales, NSW
Northland CC, Minnesota
Old Mac, Oregon
Pacific Dunes, Oregon
Peninsula Kingswood (North), Victoria
Ravisloe CC, Illinois
Royal Lytham & St. Annes, England
Royal Melbourne East, Victoria
Royal Melbourne West, Victoria
Sand Valley, Wisconsin
Silloth On Solway, England
St. Andrews Beach, Victoria
Stoneridge, Minnesota
The Fortress, Michigan
The Loop (Black), Michigan
The Loop (Red), Michigan
Troy Burne, Wisconsin
Wallasey, England
White Bear Yacht Club, Minnesota
Windsong Farms, Minnesota
World Woods (Pine Barrens), Florida
Yarra Yarra GC, Victoria

[Sean_A]

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A fun exercise to think about my "Fun 50" rather than best although there is a good amount of overlap:


Bandon Trails, Oregon
Barnbougle Dunes, Tasmania
Barton Hills, Michigan
Big Fish, Wisconsin
Bulle Rock, Maryland
Cabot Cliffs, Nova Scotia
Cabot Links, Nova Scotia
Commonwealth GC, Victoria
Crowbush Cove, PEI
Diamond Springs, Michigan
Dismal River (Red), Nebraska
Elk Rapids GC, Michigan
Formby, England
Green Gables, PEI
Greywalls, Michigan
Highland Links, Nova Scotia
High Pointe (NLE), Michigan
Kapalula, Hawaii
Keller, Minnesota
Kingsley Club, Michigan
Kingston Heath, Victoria
Lakewood Shores (The Gailes), Michigan
Leslie Park, Michigan
Mammoth Dunes, Wisconsin
Manitou Ridge, Minnesota
Marquette GC, Michigan
Midland Hills CC, Minnesota
New South Wales, NSW
Northland CC, Minnesota
Old Mac, Oregon
Pacific Dunes, Oregon
Peninsula Kingswood (North), Victoria
Ravisloe CC, Illinois
Royal Lytham & St. Annes, England
Royal Melbourne East, Victoria
Royal Melbourne West, Victoria
Sand Valley, Wisconsin
Silloth On Solway, England
St. Andrews Beach, Victoria
Stoneridge, Minnesota
The Fortress, Michigan
The Loop (Black), Michigan
The Loop (Red), Michigan
Troy Burne, Wisconsin
Wallasey, England
White Bear Yacht Club, Minnesota
Windsong Farms, Minnesota
World Woods (Pine Barrens), Florida
Yarra Yarra GC, Victoria

Derek

How is The Gailes holding up? It's been a very long time since I last played the course, but it made a big impact on me.

Leslie Park? I have fond memories of this course as I must have played it a hundred times. I never quite got my head around the Hills work as it seemed 50/50 in terms of improving on what was a good L Packard design.

I probably prefer the holes on the hilly side of the road at Huron Hills. This is a very cool group of T Bendelow holes that probably gave me a first appreciation for short courses. I suspect the course is still in need of serious TLC and it deserves the attention of a clever archie. Of course, this space is used for parks and recs sledding/cross country skiing in winter so it's a good use of the land.

Happy Hockey

[Ira Fishman]

My Top 30 Favorites in order.  Yale and Cascades would both be on the list, but it has been too many years since I played them.


Lahinch
CPC
North Berwick
PH2
St. George's Hill
Mid Pines
Pasatiempo
Golspie
Woking
Swinley Forest
Bandon Trails
Brora
The Island Club
Pine Needles
Royal Dornoch
Elie
Streamsong Blue
Primland
Pacific Dunes
Kilspindie
Ballybunion
Streamsong Red
Blackwolf Run (River)
Waterville
Old White
Old Mac
Knollwood
Kahili
Broadmoor East
Red Sky (Norman)


Ira

[Sean_A]

This was harder than I thought it would be!

FIRST EDIT...

Alwoodley, England
Barnbougle Dunes, Tasmania
Black Mesa, New Mexico
Brora, Scotland
Bulls Bay, South Carolina
Burnham & Berrow, England
Caledonia, South Carolina
Carolina Golf Club, North Carolina
Cleeve Hill, England Cabot Links, Nova Scotia
Cliffs at Mountain Park, South Carolina
Cruden Bay, Scotland
Cruit Island, Ireland
Deal, England
Dismal River Red, Nebraska
Dooks Golf Club, Ireland
Dunbar, Scotland
Elie, Scotland
Formby, England
Friars Head, New York
Gailes Links, Scotland
Golspie, Scotland
Hardelot Les Pins, France
Holston Hills, Tennessee
Huntercombe, England
Kingsley Club, Michigan
Kingston Heath, Australia
Lahinch, Ireland
Lawsonia Links, Wisconsin
Liphook, England
Mammoth Dunes, Wisconsin
North Berwick, Scotland
Notts, England
Old Macdonald, Oregon
Pennard, Wales
Royal Dornoch, Scotland
Royal Melbourne, Australia
Rye, England
Sand Hills, Nebraska
Silloth, England
Sleepy Hollow, New York
St Enodoc, England
St Georges, New York
Stoatin Brae, Michigan
Streamsong Black, Florida
Sweetens Cove, Tennessee
Swinley Forest, England
Tobacco Road, North Carolina
Utrechtse de Pan, Netherlands
Wexford Plantation, South Carolina
Wild Horse, Nebraska

Whitty

I am a bit surprised to see Stoatin Brae on the list.  What is special about the course?

Happy Hockey

[JC Jones]

Lakewood Shores Gailes has been a course I've heard about since a junior golfer and never made the trip up to play (we are Lake Michigan people, not Lake Huron people  ).  All this talk about it though has re-kindled my interest.  That will be on the list next summer along with the Loop.


And, shout out to the Gentleman Michael Whitaker for including Mammoth Dunes; what a delight that course is to play.

[John Kavanaugh]

We had a nice GCA outing that combined Lost Dunes and The Dunes Club. I'm surprised to see neither above.

[Derek Holland]

0

A fun exercise to think about my "Fun 50" rather than best although there is a good amount of overlap:


Bandon Trails, Oregon
Barnbougle Dunes, Tasmania
Barton Hills, Michigan
Big Fish, Wisconsin
Bulle Rock, Maryland
Cabot Cliffs, Nova Scotia
Cabot Links, Nova Scotia
Commonwealth GC, Victoria
Crowbush Cove, PEI
Diamond Springs, Michigan
Dismal River (Red), Nebraska
Elk Rapids GC, Michigan
Formby, England
Green Gables, PEI
Greywalls, Michigan
Highland Links, Nova Scotia
High Pointe (NLE), Michigan
Kapalula, Hawaii
Keller, Minnesota
Kingsley Club, Michigan
Kingston Heath, Victoria
Lakewood Shores (The Gailes), Michigan
Leslie Park, Michigan
Mammoth Dunes, Wisconsin
Manitou Ridge, Minnesota
Marquette GC, Michigan
Midland Hills CC, Minnesota
New South Wales, NSW
Northland CC, Minnesota
Old Mac, Oregon
Pacific Dunes, Oregon
Peninsula Kingswood (North), Victoria
Ravisloe CC, Illinois
Royal Lytham & St. Annes, England
Royal Melbourne East, Victoria
Royal Melbourne West, Victoria
Sand Valley, Wisconsin
Silloth On Solway, England
St. Andrews Beach, Victoria
Stoneridge, Minnesota
The Fortress, Michigan
The Loop (Black), Michigan
The Loop (Red), Michigan
Troy Burne, Wisconsin
Wallasey, England
White Bear Yacht Club, Minnesota
Windsong Farms, Minnesota
World Woods (Pine Barrens), Florida
Yarra Yarra GC, Victoria

Derek

How is The Gailes holding up? It's been a very long time since I last played the course, but it made a big impact on me.

Leslie Park? I have fond memories of this course as I must have played it a hundred times. I never quite got my head around the Hills work as it seemed 50/50 in terms of improving on what was a good L Packard design.

I probably prefer the holes on the hilly side of the road at Huron Hills. This is a very cool group of T Bendelow holes that probably gave me a first appreciation for short courses. I suspect the course is still in need of serious TLC and it deserves the attention of a clever archie. Of course, this space is used for parks and recs sledding/cross country skiing in winter so it's a good use of the land.

Happy Hockey

Sean - I last played the Gailes 10 years ago so probably not the best to speak on how it is holding up.


As for Leslie Park, it was the course I played all of my high school golf on. More of a nostalgic pick than anything but there are a lot of fun holes out there and a few bad ones. I too am a big fan of the hilly side of Huron, lots of fun quirk and potential!


I'd say Happy Hockey back but as a Red Wing and Wolverine fan, there is not much happiness to be had 

[Michael Whitaker]

Sean - I was impressed with the "old school" design of Stoatin Brae. It is very much a lay-of-the-land course, with the holes interestingly connected. Lot's of natural features well used. Excellent walk. Take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E13QqqEobgk


JC - Mammoth Dunes is loads of fun. I'd like to visit every year if I could swing it.

[Sean_A]

0

A fun exercise to think about my "Fun 50" rather than best although there is a good amount of overlap:


Bandon Trails, Oregon
Barnbougle Dunes, Tasmania
Barton Hills, Michigan
Big Fish, Wisconsin
Bulle Rock, Maryland
Cabot Cliffs, Nova Scotia
Cabot Links, Nova Scotia
Commonwealth GC, Victoria
Crowbush Cove, PEI
Diamond Springs, Michigan
Dismal River (Red), Nebraska
Elk Rapids GC, Michigan
Formby, England
Green Gables, PEI
Greywalls, Michigan
Highland Links, Nova Scotia
High Pointe (NLE), Michigan
Kapalula, Hawaii
Keller, Minnesota
Kingsley Club, Michigan
Kingston Heath, Victoria
Lakewood Shores (The Gailes), Michigan
Leslie Park, Michigan
Mammoth Dunes, Wisconsin
Manitou Ridge, Minnesota
Marquette GC, Michigan
Midland Hills CC, Minnesota
New South Wales, NSW
Northland CC, Minnesota
Old Mac, Oregon
Pacific Dunes, Oregon
Peninsula Kingswood (North), Victoria
Ravisloe CC, Illinois
Royal Lytham & St. Annes, England
Royal Melbourne East, Victoria
Royal Melbourne West, Victoria
Sand Valley, Wisconsin
Silloth On Solway, England
St. Andrews Beach, Victoria
Stoneridge, Minnesota
The Fortress, Michigan
The Loop (Black), Michigan
The Loop (Red), Michigan
Troy Burne, Wisconsin
Wallasey, England
White Bear Yacht Club, Minnesota
Windsong Farms, Minnesota
World Woods (Pine Barrens), Florida
Yarra Yarra GC, Victoria

Derek

How is The Gailes holding up? It's been a very long time since I last played the course, but it made a big impact on me.

Leslie Park? I have fond memories of this course as I must have played it a hundred times. I never quite got my head around the Hills work as it seemed 50/50 in terms of improving on what was a good L Packard design.

I probably prefer the holes on the hilly side of the road at Huron Hills. This is a very cool group of T Bendelow holes that probably gave me a first appreciation for short courses. I suspect the course is still in need of serious TLC and it deserves the attention of a clever archie. Of course, this space is used for parks and recs sledding/cross country skiing in winter so it's a good use of the land.

Happy Hockey

Sean - I last played the Gailes 10 years ago so probably not the best to speak on how it is holding up.


As for Leslie Park, it was the course I played all of my high school golf on. More of a nostalgic pick than anything but there are a lot of fun holes out there and a few bad ones. I too am a big fan of the hilly side of Huron, lots of fun quirk and potential!

I'd say Happy Hockey back but as a Red Wing and Wolverine fan, there is not much happiness to be had 

You are from Ann Arbor? Besides uni I lived there from late 1991 until the summer of '98. Ann Arbor is still my favourite place I have lived. Where do you live/play now?

Whitty

I think I will target Stoatin Brae when next in Detroit during golf season.

Happy Hockey