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Carl Rogers

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2019, 05:13:01 PM »
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2019, 05:15:25 PM »
The Loop? Two courses on the same acreage as one.
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Jim Sherma

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2019, 10:27:10 PM »
CC of Maryland, originally Rogers Forge CC by Herbert Strong. Surprised if it’s over 95 or 100 acres. The last 150-100 yards of every hole makes for an awesome corse. Unfortunately there’s not enough yards before you get there. I know we say length for its own sake shouldn’t matter in general, but I’d like to hit more than two or three shots longer than a wedge or 9 iron into a green on something other than a par 5 second.

archie_struthers

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2019, 12:22:42 AM »
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Merion is amazing. It never seems small, despite the lack of acreage. The design is so good, Flynn layered the holes onto ridges and vallleys. The third thru eight are so we done in the use of the acreage.


Voila it feels big when you play it ! 
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Niall C

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2019, 06:37:23 AM »
In a UK context I suspect that many of the contenders will be the modern links courses such as Kingsbarns where you have traditional out and in designs that tend to hug the coast. That will give you a smaller area than a spread out design such as Deal which has a lot of land between holes at the far end.

Those kinds of developments also tend to have the more interesting land/bigger budgets which helps with the quality.

Niall

Greg Smith

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2019, 08:03:58 AM »
CC of Maryland, originally Rogers Forge CC by Herbert Strong. Surprised if it’s over 95 or 100 acres. The last 150-100 yards of every hole makes for an awesome corse. Unfortunately there’s not enough yards before you get there. I know we say length for its own sake shouldn’t matter in general, but I’d like to hit more than two or three shots longer than a wedge or 9 iron into a green on something other than a par 5 second.

I love this course!   It's a perfect member's course -- you'd never get tired of playing it due to the fine details of the greens and approaches, yet you don't get beat up having to power slam it a lot.  There's practically no water, but the limited water is used in a very interesting way (creek on the 14th hole!). 

If I understand Herbert Strong's work correctly, his designs are driven by cool greens requiring good placement to score, and the hole design works backwards from there.  This describes CC of MD very well.

I think the assertion of 100 acres is probably about right.
O fools!  who drudge from morn til night
And dream your way of life is wise,
Come hither!  prove a happier plight,
The golfer lives in Paradise!                      

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D_Malley

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2019, 10:40:54 AM »
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The Everglades Club in Palm Beach FL, is on 85 acres

Jeff Schley

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2019, 11:08:25 AM »
Courses that are routed through a housing development don't have much room left or right so those stand out to me certainly.  Some in my area of So Cal that are very claustrophobic are Temeku Hills in Temecula, CA and Redhawk in the same city.
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David Davis

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2019, 01:52:40 PM »
Besides Merion, one of the best I've ever seen is Utrecht de Pan by Colt. Could be that I may be missing one but De Pan is a masterpiece!
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Michael Felton

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2019, 03:31:59 PM »
Took a look at Winged Foot since the two courses and a lot of the holes are quite close to each other. Total plot looks to be around 234 acres, which for 36 holes including range, clubhouse etc is pretty tight. I know 234 acres is a lot bigger than most of these we are talking about, but given they have two world class courses there, I think it qualifies.

Neil Davis

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2019, 03:42:45 PM »
The golf course at Town & Country Club in St. Paul, Minnesota sits on 96 acres.  Add in the clubhouse, pool, and tennis courts on the other side of the street and it's 110 acres. 

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2019, 07:59:41 PM »



Mike,

Out of interest how many acres is Healesville?


Ate


Thomas,  I'm not sure but it's quite small - even though the holes are mostly very wide. It's only 5500 yards so my guess would be it's around 100 acres.

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2019, 02:25:36 AM »
Not sure if it has been mentioned but TOC is on a small parcel of land.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2019, 05:46:57 AM »
In a UK context I suspect that many of the contenders will be the modern links courses such as Kingsbarns where you have traditional out and in designs that tend to hug the coast. That will give you a smaller area than a spread out design such as Deal which has a lot of land between holes at the far end.

Those kinds of developments also tend to have the more interesting land/bigger budgets which helps with the quality.

Niall


Niall,


Kingsbarns came to my my mind too as a great modern - I’m travelling at the moment but I’d be interested to see the total acreage if anyone cares to measure it. Might not quite beat 150 but it should be close.

Peter Bowman

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2019, 09:18:04 AM »
I'm read the thread and I instantly thought of a good 9er on only 48 acres: Hooper.
Yes, I'm a big cheerleader for the course (particularly as an investor), but my biased opinion thinks it qualifies as a great course on small acreage.  The length of the course isn't long at 6066yds.   A great place for hickory.  But don't let short length make you think you can dominate this course; the course's greens and OB usually dominate the golfer.

JESII

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2019, 10:02:51 AM »
Just did LuLu with the app DMalley linked...about 94 acres including clubhouse and parking lot but not range. Carved out the road as well though...


Not sure how great LuLu is, but it certainly is cool and receives a lot of praise on here.

Philip Hensley

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2019, 01:40:07 PM »
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2019, 04:36:09 PM »
Mike,
Out of interest how many acres is Healesville?
Ate
Thomas,  I'm not sure but it's quite small - even though the holes are mostly very wide. It's only 5500 yards so my guess would be it's around 100 acres.
Thanks Mike.


Twice round the tiny acreage 9-hole Bann course at Castlerock with a restricted ball, even without one, should be enough for most folks. Same at the likes of the St Olaf course at Cruden Bay.


Atb
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2019, 05:29:06 PM »
Eighteen holes at the Victoria Golf Club (British Columbia) occupy 78 acres. And, it works. The club's been on the same seaside property since 1893, but the current layout is a brilliant mid-1920s puzzle put together by Vernon Macan.


Macan's layout at Marine Drive Golf Club, in Vancouver, occupies less than 100 acres, too.
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Daryl David

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2019, 05:59:12 PM »
Eighteen holes at the Victoria Golf Club (British Columbia) occupy 78 acres. And, it works. The club's been on the same seaside property since 1893, but the current layout is a brilliant mid-1920s puzzle put together by Vernon Macan.


Macan's layout at Marine Drive Golf Club, in Vancouver, occupies less than 100 acres, too.


Jeff,
Hoping not to derail the thread, but can you give a quick update on your restoration efforts at Victoria and maybe what challenges are presented by the tight footprint and routing “puzzle”. Thanks.

Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2019, 07:19:25 PM »
Rolling Road near Baltimore is a very fun golf course on a very small site, laid out by Willie Park. If my memory serves me correctly it's on approximately 90 acres. I've played there a few times and never really felt cramped!

Here's the routing, courtesy of Joe Bausch's photo album, which is also linked below.


Full Bausch Collection photo album: http://myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/RollingRoad/index.html
« Last Edit: April 30, 2019, 07:24:34 PM by Matt Frey, PGA »

mike_beene

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2019, 09:03:46 PM »
The out of bounds rule is too severe for small property courses. Think if everything on the beach side at Pebble was marked OB. It is a boundary. I have spent most of my golf life on small property courses. There are scars.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2019, 02:07:12 AM »
One of the courses I saw yesterday, Kenya Railways GC, was nine holes on just 46 acres of land owned by the railway company, in the heart of Nairobi.  Can't say the golf holes were great, but the little clubhouse with its open-air bar in heckling distance of the first tee and ninth green was really cool.

Thomas Dai

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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2019, 04:45:01 AM »
A reversible 9-holer on a small acreage with a restricted ball (for some) has a good sound to it. Even better if the mowing is undertaken by sheep and the brush/trees are chewed by goats!
Fingers crossed but breath not being held. :)
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Edit - some photos I happened across of the original RACV Healesville course.

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Peter Bowman

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Re: Greatest courses on small sites
« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2019, 09:08:40 PM »
A reversible 9-holer on a small acreage with a restricted ball (for some) has a good sound to it. Even better if the mowing is undertaken by sheep and the brush/trees are chewed by goats!
Fingers crossed but breath not being held. :)

Atb


This is literally something g I have envisioned on a plot of land up the road from me.  Reversible, sheep and all