Pine Valley #12 redesign? Well done or not?

[Ally Mcintosh]

Very uniform.

[Jim Franklin]

Before it was chaos. Now it is organized chaos. It just doesn't look natural. Fazio should stick to new construction and let other restoration experts handle the rest.

[MCirba]

I'm sure I have some other older aerials around but in the meantime, here's the hole in 1940 for comparison.

[MCirba]

This 1935 aerial linked from the Dallin Collection of the Hagley Museum (Wilmington, DE) give a pretty good idea of the view from the tee.   Just use the + over on the left to zoom in closer.
https://digital.hagley.org/70200_08597

[Jason Topp]

Won't this look a lot better with time?  I like the tree removal.

[Kalen Braley]

Looks like Fazio was perhaps channeling a bit of the Good Dr from the original half-pipe hole...aka Pasa #10! 

[archie_struthers]

 


More axes please....remember how great they did on the 9th

[Sean_A]

I agree with Ally.  It looks like a bunch of puzzle pieces.  Might it not look better if the actual bunkers within the large cavity were bigger?  It just seems like small scale bunkers in a large scale feature...very odd.

Ciao

[Thomas Dai]

How did Fazio get the job?
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[Marty Bonnar]

How did Fazio get the job?
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He’s a member!
 
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[Thomas Dai]

How did Fazio get the job?
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He’s a member!
 
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Fair enough answer.
Perhaps playing with fire though for it begs a question, namely if a member, even a famous member-architect does some work on the course where he’s a member what will his fellow members say, assuming they’ve got the guts to say something, if they hate what he’s done to their course and what will his reaction be on hearing their reaction? Maybe PVGC and their members have a different ethos to other clubs but I can imagine a whole bunch of hassle (even poison) being generated within some clubs.
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[Dan Herrmann]

I think the tree removal looks great, but I wish they had retained the goodness what was there instead of what they have today.

[archie_struthers]

 




Still think that you need to take all the pines out to make it really good. The line of trees is too uniform. Better to have completely removed them until you got to the ridge left that drops to the fifteenth green. Would be a great view as you walked too.


Think how great the work on nine looks leading down to !8 fairway. just awesome skyline created. Why not do the same here and just expose all the little pits and bunkers. C'mon Mark Fine you are the bunker guy!

[David Druzisky]

The premise is good I think.  But it appears that after they removed the trees that had invaded the space, they also cut a low through the area between the tree line and the playable turf area of the hole.  Considering both of those appear flat and on a shelf above the low in front of the tees, it comes across a little forced and manufactured maybe. I am guessing the bunkers within now are deeper than what may have been there before the trees moved in?

[Alex Miller]

I've always wanted to check out Tobacco Road




*reads title of thread*




Oh... 

[Will Lozier]

The pic in the Golf Digest looked like a painting...I thought it looked awful, clearly the work of a modern architect and not in fitting with the photos I've seen of every other hole. I was shocked that they let him leave it that way.


 

[Alex Miller]

I've always wanted to check out Tobacco Road




*reads title of thread*




Oh... 

I take it back this is better
That's Tobacco Road btw...