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Shaper

Target Golf
« on: October 22, 2003, 03:02:00 PM »
Would anyone care to give me their definition of "Target Golf"?

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2003, 03:12:16 PM »
Micheal:

I've always assumed it meant a requirement to hit the golf ball to a certain location or suffer a serious penalty.

It often involves forced carries or shots to greens without much safe room on either side.
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MarkT

Re:Target Golf
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2003, 03:20:13 PM »
See Tom Kite's Riverplace in Austin, TX.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2003, 03:23:57 PM »
See Commonwealth National (Palmer/Seay) in Horsham, PA-at least 14 forced carries that I can remember.
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bg_in_rtp

Re:Target Golf
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2003, 03:34:49 PM »
is that the new line of clubs & apparel that Tiger is sponsoring?  

Target Golf (tar-get golf)(v) - a great way to ruin an afternoon by playing in 5 1/2 hours and spending too much time trying to find your ball in areas that used to be waste land.

MarkT

Re:Target Golf
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2003, 03:39:28 PM »
Brian,
I firmly place the blame on Fuzzy Zoeller and his K-Mart golf  >:(

RJ_Daley

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2003, 03:45:22 PM »
Target golf course:  A course that demands specific shots to obvious preferred areas inorder to gain the greatest advantage to complete its holes in the fewest strokes.  That course possessing the maintenance meld where the aerial ball holds where it is aimed.  

As opposed to a strategic golf course that offers multiple strategies and shot styles and shapes to both defined and subtly presented areas where the maintenance meld offers a chance to get to various areas besides just on the fly and sticking.  More than one way to skin the cat...or screw the pooch...
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III

Re:Target Golf
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2003, 03:46:41 PM »
Mark-

I agree on Riverplace.

Evan Fleisher

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2003, 04:12:36 PM »
I would agree with RJ's definition, but somehow add that target golf DOES NOT allow for significant use of the ground game...whether around the greens or not.  For me, that is a crucial part of the distinction.
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cary lichtenstein

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2003, 04:21:20 PM »
Found in the sporting goods section of Target, down the street from Walmart?
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Paul_Turner

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2003, 06:23:14 PM »
When golf starts to resemble pub darts.  The ball sticks where it lands.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2003, 06:25:43 PM »
US Tour Greens.....?

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Doug Siebert

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2003, 11:00:03 PM »
I think of target golf as courses that are aerial in nature.  You are just shooting darts (i.e., today's pro tour)  You can't have target golf on a course that allows the ground game, unless it is totally flat.  Once you introduce bumps and slopes there are many ways to get to the desired location and imagination is back in the game, even if there is only one desirable place to end up on a given shot.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2003, 02:41:36 AM »
From "On Course":

target golf...Coined in mid-1960s to define a watered corses where play is from area to area and the emphasis on the roll of the ball is  diminished as a result of such lush conditions; also inter changed now with “target course”
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TEPaul

Re:Target Golf
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2003, 07:21:07 AM »
Michael Kelly:

Good question and in the context of the "ideal maintenance meld" target golf and target golf architecture is very important to define and categorize too, in my opinion.

I think RJ, Evan, Doug and Forrest are right to say that target golf architecture is sort of light on ground game architecture and is primarily designed to accomodate aerial strategy and aerial play.

To make complete sense of the concept of the "ideal maintenance meld" it's important to keep stressing that the concept is to first define exactly what kind of style and type architecture one is dealing with and to then create maintenance practices that meld into that architecture most completely and ideally.

The idea is to recognize better the differences in architectural styles and types--sometimes vast differences--and to keep necessary maintenance practices distinct from one another. For too long maintenance practices have been too homogenized into a "one size fits all" mentality which basically ended up some time in the Modern Age as over irrigated and lush and defined only as "good condtion" for all types and styles of architecture. When that prevalent maintenance practice came about in the modern age most of the old pre-WW2 lost about one half of their designed strategies--the ground game options! The "ideal maintenance meld" for that style and type is simply to return that important design intent to complete functionality.

Just as the old pre-WW2 courses were designed for both the aerial and ground game, the newer post WW2 courses came to be designed primarily for the aerial game.

Logically then, those older courses should be maintained drier and faster to enhance their ground game designs while the newer courses should be maintained softer and particularly with less firm and more receptive greens to enhance their primary feature--the aerial game.

The older courses need to be maintained firmer "through the green" and to also have their green surfaces maintained firmer (dent don't pitch mark) simply to put more pressure on accomplished players to play really first class aerial shots or else avail themselves of some kind of compromise ground game shot or option. This latter point is really key, and basically the final and essential ingredient for the older ground game courses, in my opinion.

The point is if the old ground game courses don't do that with their green surfaces (make them firmer and less reliable to aerial shots) good players will rely on their aerial game all day long at the expense of ground game strategies.

Obviously all this gets a bit complicated to manage when the style of a course is somewhat of a combination aerial/ground game course as some of those transition designs of the late 1950s and 1960s were.

But again, for true "target" golf architecture the "ideal maintenace meld" should be softer conditions throughout and particularly on the greens so players can spin the ball to their heart's delight all the time because that's basically what most of those target golf designs offer and about all they offer.

When these distinct "ideal maintenance melds" become better understood and better practiced the time very well may come when golfers and architects come to realize that the newer "target" golf designs really are the style and type that don't offer the array of options, strategies and possiblities that the older courses do and the cycle of design may begin to turn back somewhat to once was!
« Last Edit: October 23, 2003, 07:39:17 AM by TEPaul »

TEPaul

Re:Target Golf
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2003, 07:50:36 AM »
I apologize to those on here and elsewhere who've seen me plugging the concept of the "ideal maintenance meld(S)" over and over again, but it's my strong belief that if it becomes better understood and better practiced ALL of golf architecture--both the old ground game style and the more modern aerial style ("target golf") will become better understood and better for it!
« Last Edit: October 23, 2003, 10:12:20 AM by TEPaul »

Robert Emmons

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Re:Target Golf
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2003, 09:40:06 AM »
TEPaul, I thought your point was well taken...As a member of a old course (1910) I think your accurate...RHE

skivail

Re:Target Golf
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2003, 09:46:45 AM »
It is how golf is played mainly in the US I believe. Aim at the stick and if you have the right club the ball is where you want it. Whereas in Europe you have to judge the roll to the flag, and the bonce and other indicators. It's harder to play target golf in Europe on all the britich open courses becasue the ball just shoots straight over the green, whereas in the US the ball spins and stops.