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Sven Nilsen

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Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« on: October 05, 2018, 11:20:27 AM »
Tell me what you know about Hunter, and whether his name should get equal billing on the various projects he collaborated on with Mackenzie?



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JC Jones

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 01:46:06 PM »
I think another interesting question might be whether we give MacKenzie too much credit because he was a more prolific personality and writer.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Jim Hoak

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 02:57:08 PM »
Yes, I think we sell him short.  One of the most interesting and colorful characters in US golf course architecture, the founder of sociology as a university subject, author of the seminal study of poverty, a millionaire socialist who ran for public office as a key member of the US Socialist Party, and a business partner of MacKenzie's in a golf course construction company that provided MacKenzie with income beyond course design.  He was the partner of MacKenzie on his West Coast courses--a junior partner but one who made many decisions on his own while MacKenzie travelled and was out of touch.  It's hard to pinpoint specific changes he made--or attribute any specific, individual architectural style to him--but the MacKenzie courses in California wouldn't be what they are without him--much like Maxwell in the Midwest and Russell in Australia.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2018, 02:57:45 PM »
 When we did a study for Washoe County a few years back, I was convinced that someone knowledgeable had designed this course, as
some of the green pad shaping was very good and subtle, indicating that someone well versed in golf construction had done the work. (Others appeared to have been modified later)


Their pro told me he had seen a plan for the original course, and the graphics were identical to the Alistair Mackenzie plan for the Ohio State golf courses, suggesting a connection.

In November of 1934, the Reno Evening Gazette reported that the Reno Chamber of Commerce had retained Robert Hunter, Jr. of the American Golf Course Construction Company of Oakland, CA to select a site, recommend one, and provide “definite cost estimates” for both construction and upkeep.

The American Golf Course Construction Company was formed by Robert Hunter, Sr. who had a design partnership with
Mackenzie
from 1926-1929. He lived until 1942, while Mackenzie passed away in 1934. 

Robert Hunter, Jr. was put in charge of the construction company, which built many of the courses designed by Hunter/Mackenzie, including Cypress Point, Sharp Park, Haggin Oaks and Pasatiempo in California.

The American Golf Course Construction Company obviously lasted beyond his father’s design partnership to take on other work under his son.  From the similar graphics and construction style, it appears they retained both a talented draftsman and several construction employees from the original partnership. I have no idea who did what, however.

Another article in the same paper on October 11, 1936 announced the official opening of the first nine holes.  It mentioned (vaguely) that the course was designed by “one of the outstanding golf architects in the country.”  My guess is that Robert Hunter, Jr. used the more famous name of his father in marketing, even though he had officially retired from golf course architecture on March 16, 1929 for health reasons. 

Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 04:58:08 PM »
He was the partner of MacKenzie on his West Coast courses--a junior partner but one who made many decisions on his own while MacKenzie travelled and was out of touch. 


Jim:


This is kind of what I'm getting at.  What makes you think he was a "junior" partner? 


Nothing I've read suggests the working relationship was anything other than that of equals.


Sven
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Ed Oden

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2018, 05:18:36 PM »
I re-read all of the seminal early golf architecture books this summer and the one that resonated with me the most was Hunter’s “The Links”.  In my opinion, his understanding of golf course design was on par with MacKenzie, MacDonald, Thomas, Colt and Simpson, and his writing on the subject was second to none.  Not sure how that translated to the courses he contributed to, but his impact on GCA generally seems significantly underrated.


Ed

Mark_Fine

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2018, 05:50:41 PM »
I know a lot about Robert Hunter but don’t have time to post.  Maybe Forrest will chime in.  Forrest and I restored/renovated Hunter’s only original design - Berkeley CC in El Cerrito, CA. 

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2018, 06:35:45 PM »
Probably makes sense to put out a list of his body of work.

New Courses

Mira Vista G&CC fka Berkely CC (1920) - w/ W. Watson
Los Medanos CC aka Pittsburgh G&CC (1926) - solo design
Meadow Club (1926) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Capuchino CC lka El Camino GC (1926) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Cypress Point Club (1926) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Woodside CC (1927) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Dana Point Yacht & CC (1927) - Originally a J. D. Dunn project, with Behr, Bell, Mackenzie and Hunter being brought in to consult
Monterrey Pennisula CC (Shore) (1928) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Northwood CC (1928) - W/ A. Mackenzie
Green Hills CC fka Millbrae G&CC and Union League G&CC (1928) w/ A. Mackenzie and H. Egan
Valley Club of Montecito (1928) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Sharp Park GC (1929) - w/ A. Mackenzie and H. Egan, Hunter initially contracted with Mackenzie but probably had no involvement after that

Renovations

Monterrey Pennisula CC (Dunes) (1926) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Pebble Beach Golf Links (1926 and 1929) - w/ A. Mackenzie in 1926, w/ Egan, Mackenzie and Lapham in 1929
Claremont CC (1928) - solo
California GC of San Francisco (1929) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Seascape GC fka Rio Delmar G&CC and Aptos Beach CC (1929) - w/ A. Mackenzie
Yolo Flyers Club (1931) - Passing notation of Hunter visiting with club having plans to grass fairways and greens
Mare Island GC (1931) - I've seen this credited to Mackenzie and Hunter, but its a little late for Hunter's involvement

Let me know if I've missed anything.  For everything from 1926 to 1929, that is a lot of work in a short period of time.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2018, 07:41:13 PM »
Sven,

There some inaccuracies on your list:

1.  The connection (if there was one) to Pittsburgh is unverified and doesn't seem very likely.
2.  Capuchino was never built.
3.  Woodside was never built.
4.  There is that picture of the fellas in front of the Dana Point water tower, but that course was never built.
5.  Hunter Senior was not involved with Sharp Park (Junior oversaw construction and grow-in).
6.  His involvement at Seascape and Aptos Beach is unverified as far as I know.
7.  Despite such references, MacKenzie and Hunter were not involved with Mare Island.

The last project Hunter was involved with (and in my opinion where he was most influential) was The Valley Club beginning in November 1928.  Hunter bought a house in Montecito in early 1929 and oversaw the bulk of construction work through the club's opening on December 30th 1929.  He subsequently became a member and served on the Green committee until 1934 when he resigned over a dispute about redoing the 9th and 15th greens.  Others on the committee thought they were too severe and wanted to rebuild them.  Ultimately they got their way and in the wake of Hunter resigning managed to screw up those 2 greens.

Imagine having the co-architect of your course on your Green committee and not employing his advice?  And as far as I can tell Hunter didn't have an "architect's ego."

The courses we do know Hunter Sr. was involved with are as follows:

Berkeley
Meadow Club
Claremont
California
Lake Merced
Green Hills
Cypress Point
Monterey Peninsula
Pebble Beach
Northwood
Valley Club
« Last Edit: October 05, 2018, 07:50:48 PM by Joshua Pettit »
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Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2018, 07:47:46 PM »
Jeff,

Have you seen the drawing that is purported to look like the Ohio State map?


When we did a study for Washoe County a few years back, I was convinced that someone knowledgeable had designed this course, as
some of the green pad shaping was very good and subtle, indicating that someone well versed in golf construction had done the work. (Others appeared to have been modified later)
Their pro told me he had seen a plan for the original course, and the graphics were identical to the Alistair Mackenzie plan for the Ohio State golf courses, suggesting a connection.

In November of 1934, the Reno Evening Gazette reported that the Reno Chamber of Commerce had retained Robert Hunter, Jr. of the American Golf Course Construction Company of Oakland, CA to select a site, recommend one, and provide “definite cost estimates” for both construction and upkeep.

The American Golf Course Construction Company was formed by Robert Hunter, Sr. who had a design partnership with
Mackenzie
from 1926-1929. He lived until 1942, while Mackenzie passed away in 1934. 

Robert Hunter, Jr. was put in charge of the construction company, which built many of the courses designed by Hunter/Mackenzie, including Cypress Point, Sharp Park, Haggin Oaks and Pasatiempo in California.

The American Golf Course Construction Company obviously lasted beyond his father’s design partnership to take on other work under his son.  From the similar graphics and construction style, it appears they retained both a talented draftsman and several construction employees from the original partnership. I have no idea who did what, however.

Another article in the same paper on October 11, 1936 announced the official opening of the first nine holes.  It mentioned (vaguely) that the course was designed by “one of the outstanding golf architects in the country.”  My guess is that Robert Hunter, Jr. used the more famous name of his father in marketing, even though he had officially retired from golf course architecture on March 16, 1929 for health reasons. 
"The greatest and fairest of things are done by nature, and the lesser by art."

JC Urbina

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2018, 08:21:54 PM »

Josh,
Hunter- Pasatiempo







Tom_Doak

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2018, 08:23:43 PM »
Regarding the Ohio State drawings ... when Dr. MacKenzie died, with not much cash to his name, his solicitor tried to collect some fees from Ohio State for the work MacKenzie had done.  They responded that he had never sent the final plans.  A month later, they received a set of greens plans and paid $1000 for them, IIRC.


I have seen those plans and they don't look quite like MacKenzie's sketches for other courses ... same general style, but a different hand I think.  They were probably finished by someone else so Mrs. MacKenzie could get paid.  Possibly Hunter Jr.


Regarding the question in the opening post, I think the fair answer is "we don't know".  Certainly Dr. MacKenzie was not around much on some of these projects after his original design, and had to rely on someone with talent to get them in the ground.  For some, there was a crew of guys that MacKenzie had brought from Ireland who did the actual shaping work.  I think the clearest case for Hunter's talent is The Valley Club, because it doesn't look like MacKenzie ever went back there to check on it, and I don't think Hunter brought any of the Irish crew down there either ... in which case Occam's Razor suggests that he is the most likely person to have taken charge of it.  And it's pretty good!


But still, that doesn't mean he could have done the same on his own.  His only solo work is Berkeley CC ... you can't say that makes him a genius.  I don't think he was another Perry Maxwell or Alex Russell.  Their work on their own dwarfs Hunter's.

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2018, 08:31:07 PM »
Hi Jim,

As far as I know Hunter Sr. was not involved with Pasatiempo.  I've always wondered why, but I suppose it makes sense that Hunter would have been busy on other projects and also because Marion Hollins played such an integral role Mackenzie may have thought it was more efficient to use Hunter elsewhere.



Josh,
Hunter- Pasatiempo

« Last Edit: October 05, 2018, 08:34:12 PM by Joshua Pettit »
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JC Urbina

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2018, 08:46:27 PM »
Hey Josh,


 Regarding Pasatiempo, I have and read letters from Hunter to Hollins and MacKenzie that are describing budgets, routings, land plans and just about everything else you would expect from someone very involved in the project.


You are right about Hunter at the Valley Club, I have also seen the letters from Hunter to the committee saying he would Fix the 15th green at the Valley Club, since Alister refused to.


Robert Hunter solidified MacKenzie's stature in California!

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2018, 08:46:55 PM »

Tom,

I agree that "we don't know" but would argue that also applies to any possible Hunter solo work -- because there was none.  With Maxwell and Russell we have a sufficient body of their solo work to judge that was done AFTER they had already worked with and learned from MacKenzie.

Hunter at Berkeley was 1920, with Watson, and well before his partnership with MacKenzie starting at Meadow Club in 1926.  And the land was far from ideal for a golf course.  Certainly Berkeley is not a fair representation of any theoretical Hunter solo work.   

Funny enough, I'm consulting with a club that was built by Jack Fleming in the early 1960s.  One of the questions the committee asked me was: if Fleming had built all those great courses for MacKenzie then why did he build such uninteresting greens for us?  Fleming did go on to build several courses on his own after Mackenzie died, but he was definitely no Maxwell or Russell!


Regarding the question in the opening post, I think the fair answer is "we don't know".  Certainly Dr. MacKenzie was not around much on some of these projects after his original design, and had to rely on someone with talent to get them in the ground.  For some, there was a crew of guys that MacKenzie had brought from Ireland who did the actual shaping work.  I think the clearest case for Hunter's talent is The Valley Club, because it doesn't look like MacKenzie ever went back there to check on it, and I don't think Hunter brought any of the Irish crew down there either ... in which case Occam's Razor suggests that he is the most likely person to have taken charge of it.  And it's pretty good!

But still, that doesn't mean he could have done the same on his own.  His only solo work is Berkeley CC ... you can't say that makes him a genius.  I don't think he was another Perry Maxwell or Alex Russell.  Their work on their own dwarfs Hunter's.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2018, 09:08:03 PM by Joshua Pettit »
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2018, 08:58:59 PM »
Josh:


Can't post articles right now, but I might have a few surprises for you.


Sven
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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Tom_Doak

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2018, 07:14:58 AM »

Tom,

I agree that "we don't know" but would argue that also applies to any possible Hunter solo work -- because there was none.  With Maxwell and Russell we have a sufficient body of their solo work to judge that was done AFTER they had already worked with and learned from MacKenzie.

Hunter at Berkeley was 1920, with Watson, and well before his partnership with MacKenzie starting at Meadow Club in 1926.  And the land was far from ideal for a golf course.  Certainly Berkeley is not a fair representation of any theoretical Hunter solo work.


Josh:


I agree with you on all of that.  I just think some people want this discussion to devolve into "Hunter would have been a great architect, if he'd had the chance," based on projects he did with MacKenzie where no one really knows just how much responsibility he had.  And that's a ridiculous discussion to have.  You might as well make the same case for somebody who never actually built a course!


You could have the same discussion for any of my courses.  Would Barnbougle have been just as good if Brian Schneider and Mike Clayton had finished the course and I had never returned to wave my hands around shaping greens?  Maybe, for all anyone knows, but that's pure speculation.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2018, 07:20:23 AM by Tom_Doak »

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2018, 09:45:14 AM »
Tom:


Who do you mean by "some people?"


I'll try to get to work on providing some clarity on exactly how much responsibility Hunter had.


Sven



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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2018, 10:32:33 AM »
Josh:

Responding to your list above:

1.  The connection (if there was one) to Pittsburgh is unverified and doesn't seem very likely.

Nov. 28, 1926 Oakland Tribune -



2.  Capuchino was never built.

Capuchino was built, and later became El Camino GC.

May 14, 1927 San Francisco Examiner -



April 14, 1939 The Times -



3.  Woodside was never built.

Woodside remains a mystery to me.  In addition to the articles below noting work on constructing the course was actually taking place, the 1931 Annual Guide notes the course had opened in June of 1931.

Jan. 20, 1928 San Francisco Examiner -



Feb. 3, 1928 San Francisco Examiner -





4.  There is that picture of the fellas in front of the Dana Point water tower, but that course was never built.

Agreed that the course was never built, and there is more proof that Mackenzie and Hunter were there than just a picture.

March 13, 1927 Los Angeles Times -



5.  Hunter Senior was not involved with Sharp Park (Junior oversaw construction and grow-in).

Hunter Sr. was at the very least initially noted as having been retained along with Mackenzie to do the design.  The timing of this announcement is curious, as the Mackenzie/Egan partnership had been formed in March of 1929.

June 19, 1929 San Francisco Examiner -



6.  His involvement at Seascape and Aptos Beach is unverified as far as I know.

The project was also known as Rio Delmar.

Dec. 24, 1929 Santa Cruz Evening News -



7.  Despite such references, MacKenzie and Hunter were not involved with Mare Island.

Agreed.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2018, 11:05:27 AM »
With all of the activity taking place from 1926 to 1929, here are the dates that Mackenzie was actually in California.


Late Jan. 1926 - Early March 1926


July 1926 - Aug. 1926


Feb. 1927 - March 1927


Jan. 1928 - March 1928


Oct. 1928


Feb. 1929 - March 1929


He returned to California in Aug. 1929 at which time it pretty much became his primary residence.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2018, 05:17:24 PM »

Imagine having the co-architect of your course on your Green committee and not employing his advice? 



This doesn't surprise me, at all  ;)
« Last Edit: October 06, 2018, 05:21:21 PM by Jeff_Mingay »
jeffmingay.com

Jim Hoak

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2018, 05:51:30 PM »
Sven, thanks for those dates.  I knew of them generally.  I know of many examples where Hunter made decisions regarding courses with MacKenzie not on site--or even in the country.  But the reason that I called Hunter a "junior partner" is that we don't know if these decisions were integral to the final product--and were original to him.  It's obvious that Hunter was a very important partner to MacKenzie, but no one will ever be able to know exactly how important, since he did next-to-nothing work completely independent of MacKenzie.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2018, 07:07:42 PM »
Jim:


It is the assumption that Hunter was not integral that I am trying to understand.


I've never heard anyone call Cypress a Robert Hunter masterpiece, although I've certainly heard the other side of that coin. 


Perhaps it was.


Sven


 
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2018, 08:07:23 PM »
Sven,

Thanks for posting the articles.  As a researcher I’ve learned that you can’t rely solely on what got printed in newspapers.  So often the information got distorted, misconstrued, exaggerated, etc.  Mark Twain once said “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed.  If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”

For similar reasons you can’t rely solely on what was sketched out on paper by architects, as so often it was very different than what actually got built.

In response to your comments above:

Pittsburgh:  I have seen the references to MacKenzie and Hunter at Pittsburgh, but it is still unclear if the course ever got built, and if so who was responsible for what.  Some people think the existing Delta View Golf Course was the MacKenzie/Hunter course, but it’s hard to know because the routing was significantly reconfigured decades ago.  I have never seen any photos or plans, and the project was never referenced in any of the American Golf Course Construction adverts.
 
Capuchino:  I had forgotten this course was built and didn’t last long, but neither MacKenzie or Hunter were involved with designing or building it.  I believe it was done by Max Behr but don’t quote me on that. 

Woodside:  We know for sure the course was never built (unfortunately) due to financial/investor issues.  I’ve been to the land (still undeveloped), have the club prospectus and routing map.  To me that’s one that really stings because it could have been among MacKenzie’s best.

Dana Point:  Yep, I am aware that MacKenzie and Hunter surveyed the land and planned a course.  That’s another one that could have been really good.

Sharp Park:  It makes sense the paper would have reported it that way because of the MacKenzie/Hunter partnership that was prevalent in the Bay Area in the preceding years, but by the time construction got going Hunter Senior was retired and living in Montecito full time.  I have never seen any evidence that suggests Senior was involved or even visited the site.

Rio Del Mar: I’ve seen this reference and others before, but again this does’t really prove Hunter was there or even involved.  It was an existing course that got a facelift during the same time MacKenzie was building Pasatiempo (they are both in Santa Cruz) which was also during the same time Hunter was building Valley Club.  I have come across one photo of a green that looks as if MacKenzie had his way with it, but I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest Hunter was ever on site. 

Of course, all of this is somewhat moot, because as Tom and others have pointed out, we really don’t have a good understanding of the inner workings of the MacKenzie/Hunter partnership.  Believe me, I’m a huge Hunter fan, but it’s very difficult to draw conclusions about his artistic/design abilities based on the work he did in conjunction with Dr. MacKenzie.


Josh:

Responding to your list above:

1.  The connection (if there was one) to Pittsburgh is unverified and doesn't seem very likely.

2.  Capuchino was never built.

Capuchino was built, and later became El Camino GC.

3.  Woodside was never built.

Woodside remains a mystery to me.  In addition to the articles below noting work on constructing the course was actually taking place, the 1931 Annual Guide notes the course had opened in June of 1931.

4.  There is that picture of the fellas in front of the Dana Point water tower, but that course was never built.

Agreed that the course was never built, and there is more proof that Mackenzie and Hunter were there than just a picture.

5.  Hunter Senior was not involved with Sharp Park (Junior oversaw construction and grow-in).

Hunter Sr. was at the very least initially noted as having been retained along with Mackenzie to do the design.  The timing of this announcement is curious, as the Mackenzie/Egan partnership had been formed in March of 1929.

6.  His involvement at Seascape and Aptos Beach is unverified as far as I know.

The project was also known as Rio Delmar.

7.  Despite such references, MacKenzie and Hunter were not involved with Mare Island.

Agreed.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2018, 08:09:04 PM by Joshua Pettit »
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Joshua Pettit

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Re: Robert Hunter the Architect - Do we sell him short?
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2018, 08:11:19 PM »
Jim,

Interesting to hear about the correspondence you have re: Pasatiempo.  Do you recall if they indicate that Hunter Sr. spent time on site at all during the construction?  I believe he was at Valley Club during much of that same time.

Hey Josh,

Regarding Pasatiempo, I have and read letters from Hunter to Hollins and MacKenzie that are describing budgets, routings, land plans and just about everything else you would expect from someone very involved in the project.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2018, 08:13:06 PM by Joshua Pettit »
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