Talk to me about Trinity Forest

[Cal Seifert]

Jeff - an honest question, from an average golfer to a very good one:
With firm and fast, isn't it still target golf, only with different targets?
P

Yes but it is much harder to determine how much the ball will roll.  Compared to a soft course where it hits the green and plugs

[Dave McCollum]

What do tour players think of golf courses and GCA?  Just about the best perspective I've heard when Geoff Ogilvy discusses Trinity Forest on the State-of-the-Game podcast. Seemed to be an honest, fair, and somewhat uncomfortable assessment of his peer's views about architecture and venues.  Not sure this link works: 


https://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2018/5/16/state-of-the-game-77-geoff-ogilvy-on-trinity-forest

[jeffwarne]

Jeff - an honest question, from an average golfer to a very good one:
With firm and fast, isn't it still target golf, only with different targets?
P

I don't know what "target golf" is?
I've heard it used to describe penal golf courses I really detested


as you said, all golf has "targets"

[Mark_Fine]

Only watched today.  Looks like a nice fun design.  Unfortunately just drive, chip and putt for the big boys.  They are ripping it up but they do that to most golf courses these days.  Not terribly exciting.  Might be more interesting with A LOT of wind. 

[Tom Bacsanyi]

Jeff - an honest question, from an average golfer to a very good one:
With firm and fast, isn't it still target golf, only with different targets?
P

Yes but it is much harder to determine how much the ball will roll.  Compared to a soft course where it hits the green and plugs

Agreed.  Players have to manage shape, line, and trajectory to hit good shots at TF.  On most tour stops, nah.  Leishman hit a beautiful 9 iron into a green yesterday that only got about 30-40 feet off the ground and released 20-30 yards to a back pin.  Nice to know those guys can play those shots IF THEY ARE ASKED TO......

[Cal Seifert]

Only watched today.  Looks like a nice fun design.  Unfortunately just drive, chip and putt for the big boys.  They are ripping it up but they do that to most golf courses these days.  Not terribly exciting.  Might be more interesting with A LOT of wind.

Rain sure didn't help.

[mike_beene]

The absence of rough around the greens is very key to me. I went out there Saturday and in 20 minutes saw more variety of Chips and wedge shots than you used to see the whole tournament. Feels like segmented Old Course size greens with run off like TOC in places and Pinehurst. Visually it is more Murfield or Oakmont but it is wide like TOC. It seems like it wouldn't work but it does. Surprisingly the golf fan and social fan both seem to like it. The clubs and buffets were packed and the crowd flow was much easier than other tournaments I have been to.

[William_G]

The absence of rough around the greens is very key to me. I went out there Saturday and in 20 minutes saw more variety of Chips and wedge shots than you used to see the whole tournament. Feels like segmented Old Course size greens with run off like TOC in places and Pinehurst. Visually it is more Murfield or Oakmont but it is wide like TOC. It seems like it wouldn't work but it does. Surprisingly the golf fan and social fan both seem to like it. The clubs and buffets were packed and the crowd flow was much easier than other tournaments I have been to.

the variety of golf shots is the best entertainment, not just bomb, gouge, putt

[Adam Clayman]

It was gratifying to see the core principles at work. The wind on Saturday was all a sportsman could ask for. The firmness combined with that wind made for the least nap inducing PGATour event outside a major in recent memory.


It's obvious to me few viewers will alter their perspective on gca because of this. But, it was still nice to see the purported best, have to think, create and deal with rub of the green.

[Ira Fishman]

GCA’s own Zac Blair’s backboard chip yesterday was a thing of beauty.


Ira

[John Kavanaugh]

Congrats to Zac on a respectable finish. For those on this site who bemoan the existence of the PGA Tour I wish you would all take the time to follow a guy like Zac week to week on tour. Despite Zac's efforts this week he did not move the needle on his Fed Ex Cup standings. I am simply astonished at the pressure these guys are under. No matter what you think about how far these guys hit the ball or how they decide to execute a given shot the fact that anyone can dominate this game over a lifetime is one of the greatest athletic and mental feats in sports and or business.

[Carl Rogers]

Question: how did the Media (CBS & Sir Nick) reviewed the design and commented on the design?
1. It was almost as if Bill Coore did not exist.  Yes. I realize that they have to play to the more household name, but my impression is that through the years, Coore is the more 'senior partner' of the team and a lot of very capable people work for them and contribute a lot.  No mention of that.
2. Small amount of comment on the zoysia turf grass strain
3. Some positive comment on the Super
4. It struck me as a course that could be maintained with fewer chemical inputs.  It also seemed that there was a single mowing height.


Last observation: The holes at the perimeters of the property are in contrast to the thick dense forest  ... it seemed jarring & uncomfortable to me.  Not much of an effort to transition the 2 landscapes.

[Ira Fishman]

Congrats to Zac on a respectable finish. For those on this site who bemoan the existence of the PGA Tour I wish you would all take the time to follow a guy like Zac week to week on tour. Despite Zac's efforts this week he did not move the needle on his Fed Ex Cup standings. I am simply astonished at the pressure these guys are under. No matter what you think about how far these guys hit the ball or how they decide to execute a given shot the fact that anyone can dominate this game over a lifetime is one of the greatest athletic and mental feats in sports and or business.

Plus 1. In history of PGA Tour, only 37 players have won 20 or more tournaments. Mr. Crenshaw won 19, and he properly is considered one of the all time greats.


Ira

[mike_beene]

Carl, I don't think you can transition. All those trees are a few feet down from the built up dump and are in the flood plain. Even if you cut them back it would still be a thick backdrop . And the course needed all the dump area so not much room.

[Scott Weersing]

Did you know that Trinity Forest is a public/private partnership?


Do you know that 25% of the rounds have to be by non-members? I wonder if PGA Tour players counts as non-members.


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2018/05/31/new-city-owned-trinity-forest-golf-club-public-private-see-can-get

[Matt_Cohn]

Just spent four days playing one of the Trans-Miss tournaments at Trinity Forest. Anyone want to chat about it?

Note: nines have been reversed from the GCA profile. View from the clubhouse patio



Par 3 #3, #15 on the right



#2/#12 double green



#4 green/#5 tee



#6 and #14 greens

[Will Thrasher]

Just spent four days playing one of the Trans-Miss tournaments at Trinity Forest. Anyone want to chat about it?

Note: nines have been reversed from the GCA profile. View from the clubhouse patio



Par 3 #3, #15 on the right



#2/#12 double green



#4 green/#5 tee



#6 and #14 greens

Great pics. Looking firm and fast. Shame the tour doesn't stop there anymore.

[Matt_Cohn]

Great pics. Looking firm and fast. Shame the tour doesn't stop there anymore.

Yeah, conditions were awesome. The greens weren't crazy hard, but I still only repaired a handful of pitch marks in 4 rounds. Hardest course I've tried to photograph though. So flat and open. Panoramas are the only way to do it!

[Peter Pallotta]

It's too much to ask, Matt, but if you're ever so inclined I think many of us would much enjoy and learn from an 18 hole 'review' of TF entitled: "Perspectives from the Edge -- A Good Player Tackles a C&C design under Tournament Conditions".

[Matt_Cohn]

It's too much to ask, Matt, but if you're ever so inclined I think many of us would much enjoy and learn from an 18 hole 'review' of TF entitled: "Perspectives from the Edge -- A Good Player Tackles a C&C design under Tournament Conditions".

Well shoot, as long as you've done the hard part already...


Actually I wouldn't mind doing that at all. Kind of a nice way to summarize my own thoughts on a relevant course.

[JMEvensky]

Same request as Peter--I'd rather hear how a golf course plays to a good player than see a lot of random photos.