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Garland Bayley

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #125 on: April 07, 2018, 11:54:56 PM »
I am a dissenter against the clear weight of this thread. I always try to watch the last two rounds of the Masters. But I always do watch the last two rounds of the US Open. Why? It is our National Championship. Perhaps an antiquated notion in our global age, but we need guideposts in such an age. And more than glad when a player from outside the US wins.


Ira


Ira Exactly,


The US Open is an actual championship, come as you are and battle against the best.  The Masters a limited field, dog and pony show designed to wow and virtually guarantee names on Sunday coming down the back 9. Heavy on the tradition, hushed tones, and over the top pomposity ...


Kalen, give it up!!!  Your argument is tired and wears against us who enjoy watching great golf.

And, you think your adulation of the contrived pageant in Augusta doesn't wear against us who can spot a royal crowning ceremony masquerading as a major championship when we see one?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Joe Hancock

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #126 on: April 08, 2018, 01:39:37 PM »
Sometimes, being a minority opinion doesn’t mean you’re right.

" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Garland Bayley

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #127 on: April 08, 2018, 07:23:47 PM »
Sometimes, being a minority opinion doesn’t mean you’re right.

And, sometimes it does. ;D
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #128 on: April 08, 2018, 10:43:31 PM »
The coronation of King Patrick the 1st is done. Long live the King. ;D
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Bruce Katona

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #129 on: April 09, 2018, 09:56:06 AM »
I probably wasn't the only one rooting for someone's ball to roll back down into the creek on 13 yesterday; there were so many ways the ending could have been even better.


That said, I enjoy the Masters; its a rite of Spring and hope the winter is finally behind us (though I shoveled snow earlier in the week).  I really love The Open; its golfer against the course, with all of the courses quirks and the weather making it un-predictable.
The PGA is the last chance of the season for someone to grab a Major; some years are better than others.


No onto the US Open. While the R&A doesn't like the field to destroy the venue shooting with the field as a whole being under par for the cut; the Blue Blazers of the USGA defend par.  They ruined Shinnecock with their last chance at it; wonder what will occur this time?  The US Open is a slog; any player would take posting -1 for the event now and spend the week in the locker room and doing interviews and have a better than even chance of winning.

Tim_Cronin

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #130 on: April 10, 2018, 03:30:30 PM »
Cliff,
On its own, I think the U.S. Open's stature has been enhanced in recent times. It's no longer the predictable slog through high rough – Mike Davis' set-up and the excursions to new places like Erin Hills has seen to that – and even under-par scoring seems more welcome.


However, when he was USGA president, Glen Nager saw it differently, and that was one reason Fox is now the television rightsholder rather than NBC. Nager saw the Masters surpassing the U.S. Open, at least as a television spectacle. For that, credit Augusta's iron hand on the throat of CBS. The Masters is elegance in golf, presents itself as that, and succeeds. The National Open is everyman's championship, if you qualify.


I see the two, like a blonde and a brunette, different but similarly alluring. It's all to one's taste.


The British Open, as Henry Longhurst called it, is the siren from across the sea.


The PGA? Great championship, and moving to May should eliminate the possibility of fainting on a hot course. Given it doesn't include amateurs, I think its just a step below the aforementioned three, but still major (as are the U.S. and British amateurs).


Good topic!



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Garland Bayley

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2018, 12:29:04 AM »
Growing up in the late fifties and sixties, the Masters had the most prestige and mystique for me. After all Palmer, Player, and Nicklaus seemed to trade the title every year. And they show up every year. Since then the winners, except for a few, are some of the best who have ever played the game. And they It is hard to overcome the mystique that surrounds AGNC or as some think ANGC. Baltusrol, Olympic, or Olympia Fields do not stir the soul.

What's AGNC? ;)

Oh, I get it, Augusta, Georgia National Club. ;D
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Cliff Hamm

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Garland Bayley

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #133 on: May 02, 2018, 06:42:08 PM »
Guess which "major" Rory hasn't won! 🤣
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Ryan Coles

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #134 on: May 02, 2018, 08:39:43 PM »
Good for Rory. Always gives his honest opinion. I disagree with it, but how refreshing.


Has anyone ever won the PGA and said it wasn’t extra special due to their cousin’s sister’s great uncle once selling a few glennuir sweaters and thus making out it was the one they always wanted?

Shelly Jones

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #135 on: May 03, 2018, 08:29:58 PM »

I tend to agree that in the past 10 years or so the Masters has gained and the US Open has lost prestige.Reaspns:
-Masters is the only major played consecutively on one course, so everyone knows the history and the various holes
-Masters is always at the same time (and first) among the majors when many in the northern climes are anxious to play
-US Open, in my opinion, has chosen a number of courses to host the Open that simply are not worthy. I have played both Chambers Bay and Erin Hills, and neither course is anything close to worthy of hosting a major. You could make a similar argument about Torrey Pines.
-The USGA is caught in a dilemma of promoting more golf and less exclusivity but the courses only serve to diminish its prestige.


The R&A avoids the problem with its clearly defined rota.


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Garland Bayley

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #136 on: May 03, 2018, 10:32:03 PM »
... I have played both Chambers Bay and Erin Hills, and neither course is anything close to worthy of hosting a major. ...

Why? They didn't have a locked gate with a guard to only let in people with proper authorization?
Merion, Shinnecock, and other privates have to be modified extensively to get them in some shape that the USGA deems worthy of hosting a major. Augusta National has modified itself extensively to stay relevant and host a major. I think what you write is a load of you know what, and that Chambers Bay and Erin Hills are the most worthy of hosting a major.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Thomas Dai

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #137 on: May 04, 2018, 03:48:03 AM »
On being asked a question akin to “what’s the difference between winning the TPC and winning The Open” isn’t Sandy Lyle supposed to have replied “About 100 years”.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #138 on: May 04, 2018, 11:48:50 AM »
As Garland alludes to, I'd be curious to know what makes a course "worthy" of hosting a major?

David_Tepper

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Re: US Open vs Masters
« Reply #139 on: May 13, 2018, 08:37:03 AM »

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