King's Putter 2019--SoCal Rolling Hills CC?

[Jeremy Blumberg]

I am not sure of how the King's Putter gets organized, but I would be willing to try (no promises) to get part of the tourney held at Rolling Hills CC (David Kidd's new course) on the Palos Verdes peninsula in Southern California.


I have been told the even is a late Winter/early Spring event so I was thinking early 2019.



How many courses are typically needed for the event? Anyone else in the greater Los Angeles area willing to try to support the event from some of the other local courses?

[Kalen Braley]

Given its relative central location to the greater LA area, I'm guessing most places within an hour or so are in play. Rustic is not too terribly far off, I know that's popular with this group.


And if you don't want to travel, Trump Intenational is right around the bend from there as an affordable add on! 

[Pete_Pittock]

I would attend and hope this works out. I think Santa Anita was part of the Soule Park outing, which proves geography isn't an issue. Forest Richardson's Olivas Links?

[Pete Lavallee]

That's an extremely generous invitation, should it work out. Typically the King's Putter is contested over the weekend, as sadly most golf course architecture aficionados work for a living! That being said we have tacked a private club on the Monday following the weekend, which might well work out at Rolling Hills. Organization is a breeze, just put out the invitation and write down the names! We'll split the teams as close to north and south as possible. Players will be responsible for negotiating strokes for their individual matches. Usually we have fourball and individual matches Ryder Cup style; we even played foursomes in Canada one year. Charge an upfront price to cover all costs, demand a deposit and have participants pay in full before the event. I live in San Diego and will be retired next year so I can help out with the organization.

One round at Rolling Hills would probably not be enough incentive to attract people outside of LA so we would need at least one more venue. Other close by local options could be:

Los Verdes Municipal
Palos Verdes CC (the architect who did their restoration is a member of our Discussion Group)
Trump International
Recreation Park in Long Beach
Terranea 9 hole Par 3

Another generous offer to host at one of LA's privates would be welcome no matter how far the drive.

[Brian Finn]

If Palos Verdes were the home base for the event, I would recommend working into the itinerary a visit to the Links at Terranea, a 9 hole par 3 course designed by Todd Eckenrode.  As one of the many gifted young architects currently working, he'd also be a very interesting person to have speak to the group (to the extent that he is available and willing).  He's got a pretty impressive resume of both new designs and restorations/renovations. 

[Pete Lavallee]

Todd is no stranger to the King's Putter as he attended KPI and spoke about his work at Barona Creek.

[Jeremy Blumberg]

If Palos Verdes were the home base for the event, I would recommend working into the itinerary a visit to the Links at Terranea, a 9 hole par 3 course designed by Todd Eckenrode.  As one of the many gifted young architects currently working, he'd also be a very interesting person to have speak to the group (to the extent that he is available and willing).  He's got a pretty impressive resume of both new designs and restorations/renovations.

I totally agree! I love the Links at Terranea. One of my favorite places to play in the world.

[William_G]

Rolling Hills, Terranae, Trump, and Wilshire....done!

[Jeff Schley]

I'm making the next KP event!  Just need notice to in the plane for the short flight 

[Garland Bayley]

Rolling Hills, Terranae, Trump, and Wilshire....done!

Dump Trump. 

[Alex Miller]

Rolling Hills, Terranae, Trump, and Wilshire....done!

Dump Trump. 

+1,000 for golf reasons alone

I have 0 insight into whether this could actually be pulled off, and there's much research/talking to do, but I think Rustic, Wilshire, Rolling Hills, Palos Verdes, and Terranea would be more than enough for a rousing KP. Perhaps Santa Ana, Santa Anita, or another course could be added for a full 3/4 day weekend. I'd imagine it would be tough to get a block of times at the aforementioned privates on the weekends...

Something like...

Thursday: dinner to kick things off at El Cholo (there is no other choice)
Friday: Rustic Canyon / Wilshire
Saturday: Santa Anita / Hacienda CC (or Wilson, Santa Ana, or any of the LB courses)
Sunday: Los Verdes / Terranea + dinner at Terranea
Monday: Rolling Hills / Palos Verdes

Preferred overnights would be thursday in the westside or valley, friday downtown, saturday in long beach (downtown could work once more), and sunday either somewhere in PV (terranea for the high-rollers) or close-by just off the hill.

If this were to happen I'd insist on being grand pubah or something as 75% of these courses are/were my home course at some point in my life  . Will update if I ever find out if this is feasible...

[Tim Leahy]

This could still be set up for October of 2018. A great month for golf in SoCal.

[Pete_Pittock]

Thank you Jerry for offering to try and set this up with Rolling Hills as the flagship course, Just me speaking, but lets cool down and see what transpires. Like Pete Lavallee, put skin in the game. Long Beach area seems pretty quiet except for the April IRL races. 

[William_G]

+1 Alex and Garland....suggested due to proximity

dump Trump

yet for a TH- SUN...good luck

Alex please look at what days would work best for golf accessibility

cheers

[Kevin McLaughlin]

As a newbie (poster), would be very interested in meeting other folks.  If timing works out would be keen to attend.

[Garland Bayley]

When it comes to weekend golf in a populated area such as LA, it may be hard to play 36 Sat, and 36 Sun. The KP I attended in the LA area did 18 public Saturday, 18 public Sunday, and 36 private Monday. This of course are the official competitive rounds. Other social round or rounds preceded the event.

Throwing a par 3 in the mix might make it easier to do more than 18 on a weekend day.

More power to you SoCal guys.

[Jim Nugent]

If someone can arrange the lineup Alex suggested, I bet this quickly goes SRO. 

[Jeff Schley]

I think getting on a private on Saturday for 36 is not going to be feasible.  Depending on the time of year, you also have to deal with daylight.  Thus, having it after daylight savings time springs ahead is a trend for planning as well.  In my research previously it appeared most were after daylight savings time which probably isn't a coincidence.

I think Rustic / Ram's Hill could be options to throw in although both would be a drive from PV. 

The big wildcard is who can help out with privates for at least one day.  It seems there are several who have helped in the past and the spirit of this site will identify yet another.

Kudos to Jeremy to help get the spark going.

[Kalen Braley]

Jeff,


As was mentioned in the other thread, daylight savings doesn't give you an extra hour of daylight. 


I would agree that 36 weekend holes on a private course in LA seems like pie in the sky.  But given all of the other numerous activities in LA, its one of the few places where many would care. Perhaps 18 on a Saturday followed by a fun afternoon 9 holer could be doable.


P.S.  A lot of past KP events would have official rounds that count on Friday afternoon thru Sunday morning and then let people fill in elsewhere as they are able..

[Jeff Schley]

Jeff,


As was mentioned in the other thread, daylight savings doesn't give you an extra hour of daylight. 

In the literal sense of course no, but it does give you a later sunset and thus able to fit in more holes of golf.  If we didn't spring the clocks forward here this coming week, then courses could tee you off at 5 am instead of 6 am or even earlier in some places.  I don't know the thread you are referencing, but it moves daylight into the more productive hours of the day.   

[Kalen Braley]

Jeff,


As was mentioned in the other thread, daylight savings doesn't give you an extra hour of daylight. 

In the literal sense of course no, but it does give you a later sunset and thus able to fit in more holes of golf.  If we didn't spring the clocks forward here this coming week, then courses could tee you off at 5 am instead of 6 am or even earlier in some places.  I don't know the thread you are referencing, but it moves daylight into the more productive hours of the day.   

Jeff,


If I tee off at first light at 6 AM and play till sunset at 7 PM, can I gain any additional holes by teeing off at 7 AM with a sunset at 8 PM?


As for productive golfing hours, that's heresy.  You should know that ALL daylight hours matter!!! 

[Jeff Schley]

Jeff,


As was mentioned in the other thread, daylight savings doesn't give you an extra hour of daylight. 

In the literal sense of course no, but it does give you a later sunset and thus able to fit in more holes of golf.  If we didn't spring the clocks forward here this coming week, then courses could tee you off at 5 am instead of 6 am or even earlier in some places.  I don't know the thread you are referencing, but it moves daylight into the more productive hours of the day.   

Jeff,


If I tee off at first light at 6 AM and play till sunset at 7 PM, can I gain any additional holes by teeing off at 7 AM with a sunset at 8 PM?


As for productive golfing hours, that's heresy.  You should know that ALL daylight hours matter!!! 

Kalen please take your seat the bell rang and class is in session.    The tilt in the earth's axis and proximity to the sun at different parts of our 365 1/4 days' year affects how much or little sunlight we get at any one time.  Changing the clocks don't give you more daylight, but the "productive" hours are increased.  The term productive isn't mine, but common as you may know when referencing the benefits of daylight savings time.  I'd much rather have the sun rise at 6 am and stay light to 9 pm, then 5 am-8 pm. Although I'm stranded here in KSA and we get the sunrise right at 5 am in the summer (wish I was an early riser).

[Kalen Braley]

Jeff,


Its all good, I get what you're saying.  But the rationale for "the why" behind the time change, reloves around rigid time schedules for things like school, work, meetings, etc....but doesn't apply to golf courses.


If my work schedule is 8 to 5, and that's set in stone, then yes, I have an "extra" hour in the evening for daylight activities if I so chose. However, when the time changes for golf courses.  They just push everything up an hour.  One day you're teeing off at 6 AM, the next 7 AM.  Its simple!!]

[Jeff Schley]

Jeff,


Its all good, I get what you're saying.  But the rationale for "the why" behind the time change, reloves around rigid time schedules for things like school, work, meetings, etc....but doesn't apply to golf courses.


If my work schedule is 8 to 5, and that's set in stone, then yes, I have an "extra" hour in the evening for daylight activities if I so chose. However, when the time changes for golf courses.  They just push everything up an hour.  One day you're teeing off at 6 AM, the next 7 AM.  Its simple!!]

Simple to a spartan like yourself. 

I actually am for daylight savings, but that is besides the point there is numerous cases made for daylight savings helping the golfing industry and golf maybe playing a small role in the government action.

"In 1986, Congress gave us an extra month of Daylight Saving Time. That's when we went from six to seven months, which is the period we've been living with recently. In that congressional hearings, the golf industry alone - these are the industry estimates - told Congress one additional month of daylight saving was worth $200 million in additional sales of golf clubs and greens fees. The barbecue industry said it was worth $100 million in additional sales of grills and charcoal briquettes."

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7779869

Even our good friends at Golf Digest.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/are-you-enjoying-daylight-saving-you-can-thank-the-golf-industry-sort-of

[Garland Bayley]

Would you two shut up!