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Bob_Huntley

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2003, 05:17:12 PM »
Lou,

Honourable Company
of Edinburgh Golfers
Duncur Road, Gullane, East Lothian
Secretary: Group Captain J.A.Prideaux
email: hceg@btinternet.com


Write a letter on your best deckle-edged stationery and grovel. It generally works.

Bob
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2003, 05:18:09 PM »
I just have to know.  What is deckle-edged stationery?

The grovelling part I know only too well.

 ;D ;D ;D

TH
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Pilkington-Smythe

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2003, 05:36:59 PM »
Deckel edged stationery was at one time considered de rigeur among the swells. It has a serrated edge and handles better that cut paper.

This may be a reason for using it.

on deckled paper: It is my impression that moisture moves in and out of deckle-edged paper differently than cut-edged paper; a torn or deckle edged piece has the advantage of being less likely to develop warp and wrinkle. (I
guess the theory is that the cut edge creates a bit of a dam in the fibers which introduces more  uneveness in the movement of moisture with changes in the weather than the torn edge.)

Always at your service.

Yr. Obdt Servant,

RCH
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2003, 05:42:04 PM »
Dear Bill,

Deckle-edged may be the answer - I don't know the secret.  I've never played there - and probably never will.

Mark.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2003, 06:17:00 PM »
Mark, you've probably never played at Muirfield as you are most likely far too nice a person!  That may not have come out exactly right, but you know what I mean! :D

Thanks for the time you have taken to post the countless web sites to help us itinerant Yanks plan our golf experiences next May!  I hope we will see you at Painswick for at least part of the fun.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2003, 10:21:27 PM »
Okay, need some help from the experts with a quick ranking:

New
Eden
Jubilee
Crail
Lundin Links
Leven Links
Please rank 1-5 based on your personal preference.  Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2003, 10:27:42 PM by Bill_McBride »
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Doug Siebert

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2003, 11:18:00 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on October 14, 2003, 10:21:27 PM
Okay, need some help from the experts with a quick ranking:

New
Eden
Jubilee
Crail
Lundin Links
Leven Links
Please rank 1-5 based on your personal preference.  Thanks in advance.


I'm not an "expert", but I've played the first four.  I'd rank them:

1)  New
2)  Crail Craigshead (didn't play Old Crail)
3)  Jubilee
4)  Eden

I played Jubilee as my "just off the plane and into town with no sleep for the past 30 hours" warmup last time.  It (or Eden) will really get you into the Scottish golf frame of mind.  Plenty of opportunities to hit the low roller in from 125, putt from 10 yards off the green or escape from a deep pot bunker (though hopefully not consecutively ;))
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Sr Fortson

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2003, 11:41:07 PM »
1. New
2. Lundin
3. Jubilee
4. Crail
5. Leven
6. Eden
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2003, 05:22:12 AM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on October 14, 2003, 10:21:27 PM
Okay, need some help from the experts with a quick ranking:

New
Eden
Jubilee
Crail
Lundin Links
Leven Links
Please rank 1-5 based on your personal preference.  Thanks in advance.


Bill,
Haven't played Crail or Lundy (as we locals call it!) but they both have a great rep over here. The order for the other 4 are, for me...

New
Jubilee
Leven Links
Eden.

If you're knackered on arrival, just play the first 9 of the Eden and walk back to the links clubhouse. (The Donald Steel holes are 'disappointing'.....)

I live about a half hour from St A so keep in touch and we'll try and drum up some Scottish company for you if you'd like. I'm sure Sir Richard of Goodale will also join us if we ask him nicely...

Martin.

PS Favourite dram of the moment - Cardhu 12yo. In best Homer S mode - "mmmmm, Whisky"....
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2003, 12:16:05 PM »
New, Crail, Jubalie, then Lundin, Levin. Eden is was down.
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2003, 12:17:53 PM »
I mean Crail, Balcomie links. The new Craighead course looks very average to me and not worth playing on your schedule.
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2003, 01:34:57 PM »
Bill:

With your limited time-frame, why would you bother with playing ANY of those you just asked to be ranked?  You may have to play the New (comes with getting the time on the Old nearly always, outside of ballot anyway), and it's fine enough... But re all the rest, do you really have time in your 3.5 days, with all the other choices around?

TH
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2003, 03:25:52 PM »
Tom, my thought is that if we don't hit the ballot for the Old Course, or get on by some other devious means, we'll need to know which of the other available courses to play.  I didn't really know that golfers think more highly of the New than the Jubilee, and more highly of the Jubilee than the Eden (recent thread not withstanding), but now I have an idea of where to play once we have established that the Old Course is not in the picture for that morning or afternoon.  Obviously it's going to be easier to play New, Jubilee or Eden than to drive to Crail or Lundin, but we can do that too.  Remember, I really have one afternoon and one morning and two full days.  Then we'll head down to North Berwick and play a p.m. round there and a.m. round the following morning before entraining for Painswick.

It's actually simpler than it sounds, so long as I don't try to squeeze in Muirfield and Carnoustie.  I will savor the thought of those jewels next time, but this time will be only St A and NB.

I appreciate everyone's generous advice and ideas.  I get the feeling St Andrews would be great if all we could do is drink single malt scotch and walk around a lot.  The golfing will be a bonus!   ;D
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2003, 03:37:16 PM »
Bill:

OK, gotcha.

You just do realize you're going to drive RIGHT PAST Muirfield on your way to NB, correct?

Did I mention that the day of golf at Muirfield is one of those MUST things every golfer must do before he dies?

It would be pretty easy to make it down there on your Tuesday, do the whole day, then do NB the next morning before taking the train....

OK, I won't bother you again re this.  But did I mention how the day at Muirfield is a MUST?  

You're gonna have a great trip regardless, and just listen to JB, you'll end up playing TOC as much as you want - likely doing the New also as part of the deal.

But one more thing:  did I tell you how I feel the day at Muirfield is something every golfer has to do before he dies?

 ;D ;D ;D

TH

ps:  re walking around St. Andrews, drinking, talking, and NOT playing, well... the first parts would be fun... the last part for me would be torture. The drinking and talking only seem to matter if you have playing to look forward to or a round just played to dissect.  ;D

pss - one more thing:  does your attendance at this event mean you won't join us for TKPIII at Rustic?  That would be understandable... but a shame... on SO many levels given the geography....  ;)
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2003, 03:39:52 PM »
Scotland II will include a day at Muirfield.  I am turned on by North Berwick, I can finally verify that the "real" Redan is uphill!  When I go to Muirfield it will be to stay at Greywalls like a proper nabob!

Please don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up!  (no waffling allowed!!)    8)
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2003, 03:43:32 PM »
Bill:

Did I mention Muirfield is a MUST?

Did I mention that nothing is certain and none of us are getting any younger?

Did I mention how it AND North Berwick could be done quite easily in your schedule?

Did I also mention that THE Redan is actually pretty disappointing in person (but the rest of the West Links are as much fun as can be had with clothes on on a golf course)?

Oh, you'll have a good trip doing it the way you say.  I guess you'll save the GREAT trip for the next time, assuming that ever happens.

Yes, I am evil.  Very much so.  I'm also jealous as hell I can't make a trip like this next year, so I am damn well gonna live vicariously through you.  And if I do that, I want it to be at the right places.

 ;D

TH
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2003, 03:45:24 PM »
Tell you what, let's pick approximate dates in fall 2005 and we'll get a group to go together!  In fact I believe I have some $$$ to retrieve from a Kevin Freddy something or other!
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2003, 03:48:49 PM »
Bill, we may all be dead in 2005.  I sure can't plan that far in advance.

But if I'm still alive and playing this game, maybe we will do Muirfield.  I too sure need to beat Fred out of some more $$$ anyway, and that's as good a place as any.

I just wish I had a sure thing chance to play there, myself.  Wish I knew some one else who did.  No one I know would pass such up.

BTW, see my ps re TKPIII next year?

TH



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Bill_McBride

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2003, 05:54:37 PM »
TH, not sure to which PS you refer.  Was it some of your trash talking about past KPs?

I am getting my deckle edged stationery out for a letter to Group Captain Hyphen to beg for a round at Muirfield the last day in Scotland before the final morning after which we depart.  Why not?  Your enthusiasm is overwhelming!
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2003, 10:01:16 AM »
Bill:

Good man.  You won't regret it.  Just do realize that they have very specific days on which guests are allowed, and I believe it's Tuesdays and Thursdays.  So if you are going to make this MUST happen, which any sane man would, you're going to have to try for the Tuesday.  It also would be a damn shame to just play the course once and miss the "day" (18 holes 4ball, lunch in coat and tie, 18 holes foursome).  The "day" is the golf experience that cannot be missed... Oh, I'd put the golf course itself in any top whatever list one wants to create - it is that good - but it's the DAY that's the must, not just one playing.  If one playing is all you're after, then that's cool also... though I'm not sure they even allow such these days.  But get your most deckled of edged stationery, grovel correctly, and maybe you could do that the Wed before hitting the train.

Of course the BEST thing is to do the day at Muirfield on the Tuesday, then play NB Wed, then head south....

Again, just living vicariously here.  Whatever you do will be great.

My PS asked if this UK outing was going to disallow your presence at TKPIII, March 27-28, Rustic Canyon.  You are mandatory for such events... and I was thinking that a certain other place is not all that far away...

TH
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2003, 10:19:51 AM »
Bill, I do feel Tom's pain as he trys to convince you of the virtues of Muirfield. However, TOC is the only true must play. Its all just golf after that. lol Much of it is better and more fun than TOC. Much in the area is great golf, but there is no place like TOC and St. Andrews to me. Much like a certain religion pays homage to Mecca each day. We as golfers fly, drive and walk from all points on the earth to touch, feel, view and ultimately hear the starter say Bernhardt party on the tee. Then you play and your golf life will never be the same again. In my case I can not get enough and each time I return is as thrilling as the time before. Every time I hear of someone else playing there a slight moment of envy occures then a smile crosses my face as I feel the excitment they felt. I cannot wait to the day Mike H. is there. We will all know the excitement he feels walking down the street with a golf bag over his shoulder to tell the starter Mike Hendren is here to play TOC.
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2003, 10:25:05 AM »
Tiger:

Absolute concurrence that TOC is the #1 MUST over there.  Good lord, I could go on all day about the life-changing excitement you describe.  I get goosebumps just thinking about it now... Huckaby group, play away...

It's just assumed that he is going to have at least one round, likely more, on the home course of us all.

So we're just talking MUSTS after that.

And the day at Muirfield simply is not to be missed, if it can be arranged.

TH
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2003, 10:52:04 AM »
Tom I really have enjoyed my two trips to Muirfield. I think there is a interesting balance in golf experiences when one plays Berwick, Gullane, Dunbar, Luffness New and Muirfield. I think East Lothian may top the west coast and even challenge Fife in quality golf and all that goes with the areas. Most of us do not get to feel the R&A experience yet you do get a taste of a similar feeling at Muirfield. The other clubs create an interesting balance as they touch the various parts of society in Scotland.
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THuckaby2

Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2003, 10:53:53 AM »
Tiger - right on, bruthah.  In a perfect world Bill has more time and does all of those....

But not doing some just does give good reason to return!

TH
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Scotland > Painswick May 2004
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2003, 11:17:44 AM »
The entire Muirfield issue is dead, defunct, doggo.  Mike Benham got a letter from the Group Captain to the effect that all of May is completely booked for outside play.

It might have been Mike's lack of deckle edged stationery!   :o

But I digress.  Much pressure from CA has been relieved.

I love Tiger Bernhardt's passion about playing TOC, and cannot wait to tell the starter, "We are here to play the Old Course."  From all reports, it is very possible for the two of us to get on there via ballot or groveling, we're very good at both!  Tiger, you do wear your heart on your sleeve, and that's a very good thing!   ;D
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