Open courses could disappear by the end of the 21st century - report

[Ben Stephens]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/42936199


Interesting to see this with Montrose and Brancaster under threat for the next 10 - 20 years


What are the alternatives? Will we see the Open be played on an inland course before the 22nd century due to nature?


OR will it be played in Virtual Reality to resemble the hard and fast playing surfaces of the original links course venues?

[Tom_Doak]

The report says "only a small increase in sea-level rise would imperil all of the world's links courses before the end of the century".
So, eventually, those people who say Bandon is not a links will wish all the other links courses were built at 100 feet above sea level.


[Of course, Bandon Dunes could fall into the sea due to geologic forces.  Don't bet against mother Earth.]

[Jonathan Mallard]

The report says "only a small increase in sea-level rise would imperil all of the world's links courses before the end of the century".
So, eventually, those people who say Bandon is not a links will wish all the other links courses were built at 100 feet above sea level.


[Of course, Bandon Dunes could fall into the sea due to geologic forces.  Don't bet against mother Earth.]

"Ask the people of Pompei if they were worried about upsetting Mother Nature."


... George Carlin

[Kalen Braley]

Ben,


I doubt any of "we" on this site will see the 22nd century... 


As for golf, I suspect its pretty low on the priority list with all of the other stuff happening at moment...


Jonathon,


Sadly the same thing could be asked of today's worlds citizens with similar response....

[Thomas Dai]

See the last few posts on this thread about Westward Ho!/RND -http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,54567.msg1404333.html#msg1404333
atb

[Jon Wiggett]

Whilst rising sea levels will be a problem for some links courses it is erosion that will be the bigger problem. Whilst I do fully believe in global warming I am somewhat sceptical about all the claims made about rising sea levels and the consequences. If all the predictions were to come true then I doubt anyone, individual or company would be investing anything into the Netherlands or wide areas of lowland Europe.


Jon

[Ben Stephens]

Ben,


I doubt any of "we" on this site will see the 22nd century... 


As for golf, I suspect its pretty low on the priority list with all of the other stuff happening at moment...


Jonathon,


Sadly the same thing could be asked of today's worlds citizens with similar response....

Well who knows we could live to 120 plus years old 

[Ben Stephens]

Whilst rising sea levels will be a problem for some links courses it is erosion that will be the bigger problem. Whilst I do fully believe in global warming I am somewhat sceptical about all the claims made about rising sea levels and the consequences. If all the predictions were to come true then I doubt anyone, individual or company would be investing anything into the Netherlands or wide areas of lowland Europe.


Jon

Talking about the Netherlands they are ahead of most countries in terms of adapting to living on water. I think there was a proposal for a floating golf course.


https://www.waterstudio.nl


https://www.waterstudio.nl/projects/floating-golfcourse-maldives/


On the other hand Rye is getting more land each year so there could be another 18 holes in the making over the parcel of land where the Jubilee course is

[Jim Nugent]

Since I don't want to start a climate change debate, I'll just state my belief that the assumption underlying the article is completely unproven and about 99.9% sure of being false. 

[Mike Sweeney]

Since I don't want to start a climate change debate, I'll just state my belief that the assumption underlying the article is completely unproven and about 99.9% sure of being false.

Well China and Russia/Putin have made a big push in the Arctic:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-arctic/the-political-arctic/

Titanium flags aside, it’s a bit unclear at the moment, and no one more than Russian President Vladimir Putin is taking aggressive steps to implement a vision.

The melting of the Arctic itself is so disorienting, and China’s ambition is so palpable that it requires a different worldview—literally. A map developed by a Chinese geophysicist, and used for more than a decade by scientists and military, Brady writes, shows both the scope of the nation’s ambitions and just how concentrated this seemingly far-flung part of the world really is. The map was first made public in 2014.



And before we say "Putin is nuts", the US Military/Naval War College is taking it very seriously:

https://usnwc.edu/News-and-Events/News/Naval-War-College-Arctic-expert-discusses-climate-change-at-Patuxet-Defense-Forum

Walter A. Berbrick, director of the Arctic Regional Studies Group at U.S. Naval War College, stressed the need for strong American leadership in a rapidly-thawing multipolar world during a keynote address at the 12th annual Patuxet Defense Forum, Dec. 12.......“We are in the early stages of a long struggle for supremacy of the Arctic, and America is years behind,” said Berbrick. “Most troubling is that most of our leaders and our citizens don’t even realize it.”

My guess is that FatBaldyDrummer is a Secret Russian Agent and will soon move The Open to Russia

[Marty Bonnar]

 

[Michael Whitaker]

Global warming is a bit like golf in that every "shot" (change in temp) makes somebody happy.

[David_Tepper]

More bad news from Montrose:

http://www.scottishgolfview.com/2018/02/links-directors-alarming-forecast-of.html

[astavrides]

Global warming is a bit like golf in that every "shot" (change in temp) makes somebody happy.

Who will be happy when there are 100 million Bangladeshi's under water or in refuge?

[Jim Nugent]

Global warming is a bit like golf in that every "shot" (change in temp) makes somebody happy.

Who will be happy when there are 100 million Bangladeshi's under water or in refuge?

Bangladesh's severe flooding problems have nothing to do with so-called global warming or rising sea levels. 

[Steve Lang]

   Some analysis at https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm-projections-of.html


Now look at the IPCC computer model scenario descriptions below, setting basis of the results...  and consider any modeler worth his weight can give about any result desired with a bunch of variables and their combinations at play... but more importantly, why the weather man can't forecast more than several days to a week or so ahead, and I'm supposed to believe an 80 year out projectiont?  Nope ain't going there any time soon.


     
The Emission Scenarios of the IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios (SRES)^[17]
A1. The A1 storyline and scenario family describes a future world of very rapid economic growth, global population that peaks in mid-century and declines thereafter, and the rapid introduction of new and more efficient technologies. Major underlying themes are convergence among regions, capacity building and increased cultural and social interactions, with a substantial reduction in regional differences in per capita income. The A1 scenario family develops into three groups that describe alternative directions of technological change in the energy system. The three A1 groups are distinguished by their technological emphasis: fossil-intensive (A1FI), non-fossil energy sources (A1T) or a balance across all sources (A1B) (where balanced is defined as not relying too heavily on one particular energy source, on the assumption that similar improvement rates apply to all energy supply and end use technologies).

A2. The A2 storyline and scenario family describes a very heterogeneous world. The underlying theme is self-reliance and preservation of local identities. Fertility patterns across regions converge very slowly, which results in continuously increasing population. Economic development is primarily regionally oriented and per capita economic growth and technological change more fragmented and slower than other storylines.

B1. The B1 storyline and scenario family describes a convergent world with the same global population, that peaks in mid-century and declines thereafter, as in the A1 storyline, but with rapid change in economic structures toward a service and information economy, with reductions in material intensity and the introduction of clean and resource-efficient technologies. The emphasis is on global solutions to economic, social and environmental sustainability, including improved equity, but without additional climate initiatives.

B2. The B2 storyline and scenario family describes a world in which the emphasis is on local solutions to economic, social and environmental sustainability. It is a world with continuously increasing global population, at a rate lower than A2, intermediate levels of economic development, and less rapid and more diverse technological change than in the B1 and A1 storylines. While the scenario is also oriented towards environmental protection and social equity, it focuses on local and regional levels.

An illustrative scenario was chosen for each of the six scenario groups A1B, A1FI, A1T, A2, B1 and B2. All should be considered equally sound.

The SRES scenarios do not include additional climate initiatives, which means that no scenarios are included that explicitly assume implementation of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change or the emissions targets of the Kyoto Protocol.
 

[Sean_A]

Global warming is a bit like golf in that every "shot" (change in temp) makes somebody happy.

Who will be happy when there are 100 million Bangladeshi's under water or in refuge?

Bangladesh's severe flooding problems have nothing to do with so-called global warming or rising sea levels.

Does it matter?  What counts is that people don't (within reason) contribute to the problem and if we can find ways to mitigate the issue aren't they worth exploring?


Burnham grew a ton in the 20th century..while parts of the east coast receded.  The nine holer was under the sea in early part of the 20th century...same for the 4th hole.  I am told the growth has stopped and that the sea may move back. 

Ciao

[David_Tepper]

The Water Will Come:

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2017/10/16/the-water-will-come/

[Duncan Cheslett]

With rising sea levels jeopardizing the homes of a sizable proportion of the planet's inhabitants,  I would suggest that potentially losing a few golf courses is the least of humanity's worries.


Coastlines change continually, just like the courses of rivers do as water erodes land. Golf courses by the ocean or on the banks of a river are by their very nature transient.

[Jeff Schley]

Since I don't want to start a climate change debate, I'll just state my belief that the assumption underlying the article is completely unproven and about 99.9% sure of being false.

Lloyd Christmas from dumb and dumber......."So you're telling me there's a chance!"   

I tried to upload the meme jpg. but can't seem to be able to upload any photos at all on here or avatar?

[astavrides]

Global warming is a bit like golf in that every "shot" (change in temp) makes somebody happy.

Who will be happy when there are 100 million Bangladeshi's under water or in refuge?

Bangladesh's severe flooding problems have nothing to do with so-called global warming or rising sea levels.

Please explain why you say that, and why climate change is not a threat to 30 million (if not 100 million) there.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-unfolding-tragedy-of-climate-change-in-bangladesh/

[Kalen Braley]

Since I don't want to start a climate change debate, I'll just state my belief that the assumption underlying the article is completely unproven and about 99.9% sure of being false.

Lloyd Christmas from dumb and dumber......."So you're telling me there's a chance!"   

I tried to upload the meme jpg. but can't seem to be able to upload any photos at all on here or avatar?

Jeff,


You're welcome!! 

[Jeff Schley]

haha!  Love it Kaylen!  One my favorite movies, and maybe that says something about my IQ that I'm easily entertained.   

BTW is there a trick to uploading photos?  Keeps denying me with: "The attachments upload directory is not writable.  Your attachment or avatar cannot be saved."

Do I have to be a member for a period of time or?

[Kalen Braley]

Jeff,


Its called 3rd party hosting.


1) Find the pic you want to post from the internet
2)  Copy the link to the actual Jpg into your post
3)  put "img" in front of the link and "/img" on the back of it, except use these [] instead of these ""

[Jeff Schley]

.finally!