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Tim Martin

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Re: How do you maintain a busy course?
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2018, 04:50:08 PM »
Tim,

Evaluations by superiors, peers, and direct reports indicated that I was thought of as a fair "boss" who understood the mission, set reasonable standards, and expected everyone to pull their weight.  I wasn't privy to the raw data, but I suspect that the low end of the range came from those who had greater concern for their own agenda than that of the organization.  But thanks for trying to make it personal.

I don't know where you play, but in north Texas, golf is most always stroke play.  The TGA and USGA put strict time constraints on its players.  No such guidance is provided for daily play and a morning four hour 4ball round is normally considered average to fast, with the pace worsening as the day progresses.  You can choose to believe otherwise, and hopefully that is not your experience where you play.

As to optimum playing conditions, that is well beyond our expectations whether we start at 8 in a 4ball or 9 in lesser numbers.  Most things are not binary.  It does take some work to balance the wants and needs of golfers and staff, but it can be done.  Golf is a big world.  It makes sense to find a place where you fit best.

Tony,

I noted noise restrictions and dangerous conditions earlier.  Some courses have difficult topography and hazards that can be dangerous in the dark.  I also remember seeing Elephant Hills in Zimbabwe many years ago and thinking that I wouldn't want to be on the course in twilight.

Let me ask you, while it would make it easier on you, would you recommend to your board that the lead groups should be 4balls?  Your twosome playing in two hours early in the morning is probably adding close to $2k per month to revenues.  Is that not significant enough to tolerate some inconvenience?


Lou-I wasn’t trying to make it personal but rather lighten things up a little with the wink emoticon which you either missed or chose to disregard. No malice intended man. That said I don’t know how you being a rules official, playing golf for 50 years or on 1000 different courses has any bearing on the premise of this thread. Seems like plenty of misdirection to make your point.

Lou_Duran

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Re: How do you maintain a busy course?
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2018, 06:15:45 PM »
Tim- malice is something I don't attribute to people I hardly know.   When folks reposition my comments to make their point, I think the record should be corrected.

I alluded to my lengthy and broad involvement in the game in refuting Don Mahaffey's characterization of my alleged generalizations about maintenance staff.  Don should know that I think highly of many superintendents and value the work of their staff, but chose to leave the thread as he did.

In my world, informed opinion based on experience means a lot.  I happen to believe that a reasonably smart person who has been around the block a few times probably has better impressions than a similarly equipped individual who has not.  Perhaps your way of forming opinions is different, but I do not need to misdirect to support my point.

We have beaten this horse to death.  It is a very important topic, however.  Whether we like it or not, golf is a consumer business.  The product is discretionary and, for most courses, a concerted customer-oriented approach is necessary.  There are certainly ample alternatives competing for attention and revenues.

Lot of people get in the industry because they are attracted to the game and like to be outdoors.  Sadly, not a small number lack a hospitality orientation required in a demanding, competitive environment.   Without buyers of rounds, there is no need for maintenance workers.  And when there are some 150+ more course closings annually than new openings, we may want to err on the side of the consumer.  But what do I know?  One year of experience 50 times over?  Right?

I could get financial and go into fixed and variable costs, but I will leave the discussion with one last thought.  Think of how most restaurants and retail outlets operate.  Their employees probably don't like early mornings or late nights any better.  Am I unreasonable because I want my breakfast at 7 a.m.?  Maybe so, but I would have little trouble finding a place which tolerates my preferences.  Why is golf different?   

Tim Martin

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Re: How do you maintain a busy course?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2018, 06:26:24 PM »
Lou-Fair enough. Have a good night. :)

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: How do you maintain a busy course?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2018, 08:40:22 AM »

Some courses have difficult topography and hazards that can be dangerous in the dark.  I also remember seeing Elephant Hills in Zimbabwe many years ago and thinking that I wouldn't want to be on the course in twilight.



I was at Elephant Hills in Victoria Falls and thought the similar thing. I was not going to tee off early or late there. Of course, the course gets such little play that scheduling maintenance is not a problem.
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BCowan

Re: How do you maintain a busy course?
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2018, 11:33:41 AM »

Marquette, Michigan 36 holes with a 7 month member season (on a good year) and a 4 month guest play season.  We do 40,000 plus rounds a season.... It’s a factory so we get creative.  A 1/2 day on a Monday every 3 weeks on each course is all we use for Maintenance closure time.  (We need the day for our sand to dry and drag into the canopy properly).   
LED light technology has been a game changer.  Vertical mowing, large area spraying, aerification, regular maintenance can now all be started in the middle of the night and finished before golfers catch up. 
It’s all about providing the best experience for them, eliminating frustration for staff/players and increasing efficiency (saving $ & keeping the cost of the game down). 
LED lights are cheap on Amazon.
I don’t get as much sleep but I’m less frustrated, have a better product and evenings are open to tee it with my kids (walking of course). 
One caution: Be smart about it... leave difficult to manage areas for the day light hours.


Craig,


   Great post! You aren't afraid to get your hands dirty and lead by example.


Tommy,


    50,000 rounds on an tropical island seems really easy.  We do 30,000 rounds at Radrick Farms in SE MI in a 6.5 month season.  We only have 3 outings a year and the course is closed on Monday till 4 or 5pm to members for course maint.  Pace of play is seldom an issue and the course is in solid shape.   




Jeff Schley

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Re: How do you maintain a busy course?
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 02:54:33 AM »


    50,000 rounds on an tropical island seems really easy.  We do 30,000 rounds at Radrick Farms in SE MI in a 6.5 month season.  We only have 3 outings a year and the course is closed on Monday till 4 or 5pm to members for course maint.  Pace of play is seldom an issue and the course is in solid shape.   

Ben,

So on Monday's I'm thinking you still open in late afternoon/early evening to allow for some to play 9 or get an entire round in since there is light until well after 9 pm?  Curious if closing all day on Monday would help the team much with maintenance or no?
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
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James Bennett

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Re: How do you maintain a busy course?
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 06:17:43 AM »
start from the first tee, repair the back nine.
next day, start from the 10th tee, repair the front nine.
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

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