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Jason Thurman

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What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« on: November 30, 2017, 07:29:48 PM »
We post about every 50 foot putt that one of us sees Tom Doak make. Are we not going to talk about Bluejack National's Signature Designer hitting a few 320 yard drives and claiming the ball should be rolled back and finding the cure for back pain? He's dropping the GCA Trifecta this week.


Let's not just fawn over Tiger. Is his understanding of architecture and strategy better reflected in his play now that he's an architect?
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Jason Thurman

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2017, 07:31:24 PM »
Marketing figurehead or Architect, which do you prefer?
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Nigel Islam

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2017, 08:00:52 PM »
Maybe that's the edge Jack had on him that he couldn't overcome, A successful design business? Now that he has that....Look out.


I'm still concerned about his back and chipping long term, but it'd be interesting if he was able to post 69 more than annually.

James Brown

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2017, 09:49:29 PM »
Tiger has a long way to go before he becomes an architect.  Jack made a serious decision to get into design.  Tiger has dabbled.  But I don’t see anything that indicates more than that.

John McCarthy

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2017, 10:10:40 PM »
The little work I have seen of "Tiger!" as an architect I kinda like.  Bluejack seems fun. 


The plan in Chicago I have a dispute with (blown chance at a true skyline green at the short par 4 east to the lake, which may have been Bendelow's plan) but the rest kinda works.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2017, 01:18:46 AM »
We post about every 50 foot putt that one of us sees Tom Doak make.


To be fair, a lot more posters on GCA have played golf with me than with Tiger.  My % of putts made is not really higher than his, it's just a sampling bias.


As for his design work, it has not been discussed much here because few seem to have played any of it.  I have not been to Cabo or Houston in years, so I have zero to say.  I'd love to hear from guys who have played his courses, but not from people who are projecting what they might think of it.


He already had strategy well figured out long before he built any courses; it's one of his most underrated talents.

jeffwarne

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 09:56:04 AM »
We post about every 50 foot putt that one of us sees Tom Doak make.




As for his design work, it has not been discussed much here because few seem to have played any of it.  I have not been to Cabo in years, so I have zero to say.  I'd love to hear from guys who have played his courses, but not from people who are projecting what they might think of it.





I'll post a report upon my return Wednesday-and given my current back/hip status(hence the overposting) I may be doing a "Doak".
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David Wuthrich

Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2017, 10:02:26 AM »

Tom,


I have played Bluejack a number of times.


The course is a reflection of Tiger's game, much like Jack's early designs.


Lots of room to hit your tee ball, lots of options about how to get the ball on the green and in the hole.  Putting is a premium and we all know how well TW putted in his prime.


Hope that you will find time to come down to Houston and see Bluejack.

David Davis

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2017, 10:42:36 AM »
Tom,


I went to Diamante Dunes exactly one year ago and played Tiger's course El Cardonal. With all due respect to Paul Cowley as I think he did a great job building/supervising the build of it I didn't love the course and I doubt Tiger had much to do with it. Kind of breaking the champagne bottle. It was actually similar to what David said above about Bluejack which I didn't run to see yet. It is very very wide open and ONLY 7300 yds from the back tees. The scale of the course is very big but there weren't many holes that really hit me as special, more of a general resort golf feel to it.


I guess it may be a while before he catches up with Jack on the architecture front so you few modern front runners in the architecture arena don't have to worry too much about his natural talent in this field just yet. However, his name could very well sell housing.


In fact, I will share one true story about my experience there. In the clubhouse after one of my rounds at Diamante Dunes I talked to a couple guys that were playing behind us who seemed like solid golfers. They were of the macho New Jersey/New York Italian acenstry, shaved head, gold chain wearing brash sort, though solid golfers nonetheless and timeshare owners at Diamante, I asked them which course they like the best and why. They all immediately replied Tiger's course. Then one of the guys went into this long diatribe about how long he was (off the tee, but he could of been talking about many other things with the amount of pride with which he spoke). He said he only liked courses above 7200 yds and that Tiger's course offered up the challenge that he needed to let the big dawg hunt and spend the day chasing the long ball.  At that point, nearly every single poster and lurker on this site past through my mind in the splinter of a second and I tried to figure out how to respond to this very serious statement. So for the first time (probably in my entire life) I tried to be cool, I nodded with an affirmation much as Harold Ramis did in Stripes (the movie) when he told a young Judge Reinhold about the strip search on this Army recruitment bus. I said, "Right on man! That is so fitting that Tiger is building courses for great players like you!" I gave him the rock on fist bump, I learned that from Bill Schultz, then I quickly exited stage left.

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Mike Sweeney

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 07:25:08 AM »
Congrats to Goat Hill Member  ;D  Charlie Hoffman and congrats to Tiger. I really was not sure Tiger could play two rounds with his back and now growing middle aged stomach. :) I will be watching today:


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Matt MacIver

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 08:28:02 AM »
I’m not worried about Tiger’s chipping - if DJ could improve to #1 from 100 yards by sheer practice, Tiger will be ok.


I think Jack got into Course design partly for the money - not that that’s a bad thing - but a Tiger doesn’t need the money and is presumably back to chasing something far more important.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: What, are we not talking about the architect who's -3?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2017, 07:34:25 PM »

I’m not worried about Tiger’s chipping - if DJ could improve to #1 from 100 yards by sheer practice, Tiger will be ok.

I think Jack got into Course design partly for the money - not that that’s a bad thing - but a Tiger doesn’t need the money and is presumably back to chasing something far more important.

My take  - Nicklaus got into golf architecture because Arnie was there.

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