Holes Played To The Corner Of A Property....

[Sean_A]

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Thanks for the replies.  I tend to really like corner holes though often it can feel like the archie ran out of room.  I especially like the sort with some elevation change and/or good use of OOB.  But I get a kick out seeing all the land used on properties for some odd reason.  I guess it is a signal the course will likely be a good walk, but I think it is also a clue as to how archies think.  One of my favourites is Harborne's 13th....Colt was truly a magnificent router of courses.   




Another corner hole I am fond of is Temple's 9th. 




The Sacred 9's second too is a cracker. 


Niall

I wouldn't say Prestwick's 1st is a corner hole...though it is very good.

Bogey

Huntercombe does exceptionally well with #s 2, 4, 12 & 13...though  it is a big corner for 2 & 4 so the pressure on the design isn't heightened.

Jon

One of the reasons I would dearly like to play Chicago is due to the repof the corner holes!

Howard

For mine Cruden Bay's 3rd is the cream corner hole.


Mark

Elie's top corner is very good...13.


Kalen

Corner holes might be less effective because they are generally forced regardless of the land. So for an archie to walk away with good forced holes has to be a big plus on the design side of things.

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[Thomas Dai]

Some crackers in the above photos. Thanks for posting Sean.
Interesting to note that sometimes it's the green in the corner, sometimes the next tee.
Care needed with playing angles and the closeness of one to the other though.
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[John Mayhugh]

How about a hole played around a corner?  The 11th at Saunton East is memorable for that.  The tee shot needs to avoid a corner of the adjacent property, and the green is tight against the property line.  The green isn't in the corner as the next tee is above it, but I always think of this hole as a clever use of OOB.
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[Sean_A]

Tucky

Yes, these also cool hole and much more rare than corner holes.


Seascale's 3rd is even more dramatic.




I really enjoy holes where the archie uses what is given on seemingly on what is otherwise quite ordinary land to great effect. 

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[David_Tepper]

The 18th hole at Royal Dublin plays around a corner of the practice area that is marked as OB. (At least it did when I played there in 1984)

[John Mayhugh]

I really enjoy holes where the archie uses what is given on seemingly on what is otherwise quite ordinary land to great effect. 

Completely agree.  It increases memorability and seems to tie the course more closely to its place.

Good call on Seascale. Would really like to get back there sometime.  Your tour from a few years back is worth revisiting.
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[Steve Wilson]

In the "it's turtles all the way down" vein, the 9th, 10th, and 11th at Golspie are pretty damned good.

[Eric Strulowitz]

I'm a member of Lookout Mountain and if I am not mistaken, holes are played to every corner of that property.

[Ira Fishman]

I am a sucker for creative, good use of corners even if holes play tighter than I normally prefer:


Pasatiempo 11 and 16
Dooks 11
Bandon Trails 13
Mid Pines 18
Pine Needles 11
Hope Valley 11
Pacific Dunes 17
The Island Club 13
Lahinch 11 and 12
Ballybunion 17
Old Mac 7 (close enough to a corner for me) and 16
Primland 15
Killarney Killeen 4


Ira

[Jack Carney]

First thought is Medinah #2 Hole 4 which is undoubtedly the result of time more than design I think. Time has created many corners as city development caught up with what was way out in the country. Thinking about St Louis CC with the Biarritz (Hole 2) and Eden (Hole 3) the only reason of which is the corners of the property. For that matter the first hole is also at a corner as is seventeen sat SLCC. A real study in property lines. Unusual point also at SLCC is that the 16th and 17th tees are side by side. Sixteen is a Redan and Seventeen a four par. Members hit the tee shot at 16 followed immediately by the tee shot at 17 subsequently putt out on 16 then walk over and hit the second shot at 17. Talk about a corner!

[Parker Page]

I'm a member of Lookout Mountain and if I am not mistaken, holes are played to every corner of that property.

Eric, I would be interested to hear which corner holes at Lookout you think are extraordinary. Certainly the view across the road from 2 green is unlike anything else in golf, but I thought the best holes were interior to the property.


I would add 12 at Peachtree to the discussion.


5 at Rockaway Hunt Club might not be extraordinary, but it is one of the most unique and interesting holes I’ve ever played.

[Tim Martin]

I'm a member of Lookout Mountain and if I am not mistaken, holes are played to every corner of that property.

Eric, I would be interested to hear which corner holes at Lookout you think are extraordinary. Certainly the view across the road from 2 green is unlike anything else in golf, but I thought the best holes were interior to the property.


I would add 12 at Peachtree to the discussion.


5 at Rockaway Hunt Club might not be extraordinary, but it is one of the most unique and interesting holes I’ve ever played.

Rockaway is a really cool routing with holes out by Brosewere Bay and also back inland through some bordering neighborhoods. It feels completely hidden away until you start to see planes coming in and out of JFK and La Guardia. The piece of land is used expertly and delivers holes with both a parkland and seaside feel.

[MCirba]

I always thought the 7 & 11 crossover at The Old Course worked pretty well up in that corner of the property.   

[Ken Moum]

I've actually been intrigued by this question as the Ross course I played for 20 years in Topeka has an interesting solution to the "problem."


Holes 1, 2, 7, 14, and 17 are all played toward a corner of the property.


But none of them actually end up with a course boundary on two sides of the green.


On 1 and 2 the boundary is on the left, with plenty of room behind the green.


The first has the 2 tee there. The 2nd sort of has an open in back of the green space that's behind the 5th tee.


No. 7 has the boundary behind the green but the 8th is to the left, where the other boundary is.


On 14  the green is located 30+ yards to the right of the corner, with OB behind the green.


No. 17 has the 18 tee behind the green and is still 30 yards from the left OB fence.


What's interesting is that Ross didn't stuff a single tee box back into a corner.  Although 2 and 18 are currently backed into a corner neither of them were originally. No. 18 has two tees side-by-side and the one furthest from OB is the better one, and it's almost certainly original, given the location of the others on the course.


The No. 1 green, which currently is close to boundary on the left, has been moved 30-40 yards to get to that position, and the 2 tee was moved at the same time.


So the course plays into a total of FIVE corners and in his original routing he managed to avoid having either greens or tees in those corners.  All of that on a property of about 120 acres.


The man was a genius.


Oh, and unlike more than a few modern archies, it's obvious that he knew where the prevailing winds were, because it plays WAY harder in the winter with NW winds than it does in typical SW winds of Kansas summer.


K