Death of the dogleg

[Joel Pear]

I don't know about good doglegs, but there are 2 horrible ones at Rich Harvest.  Not sure about the hole numbers, but the "Snead's Crotch" hole, which seems to be greater than 90 degrees, and the one on the other 9 with the artificial turf tee box and the tee shot out of the extremely narrow shoot would be the ones.


Number 12 at my former club (Aurora CC, Aurora,IL) is, I think, a really nice dogleg.

[Eric LeFante]

Anyone care to mention a few top quality sharp or near-sharp dogleg holes?
Atb

#11 at Somerset Hills

Good one Ted. Tillinghast named that hole "Perfection". 15 at Somerset is probably an even better sharp dogleg hole than 11.


I'd also like to mention holes 1 and 6 at Pine Valley.


It's interesting how all four holes above are doglegs right.

[Terry Lavin]

Anyone care to mention a few top quality sharp or near-sharp dogleg holes?
Atb

18 at Cypress Point?


Just kidding. By definition a sharp or too sharp dogleg would seem to suggest a connector hole or a bit of quirk.

[MCirba]

I think every course should have at least one or two doglegs.


Why not one where it is easy to reach the corner to have a viable approach but that gaining an advantageous angle.requires a longer, straighter drive that effectively challenges a hazard not on the corner or outside edge but one simply further from the tee, preferably set on a diagonal?

[BCowan]

Mike,


How about 12 at Sylvania?  That's a fine leg I'd say. With tree removal around the green and to the right it would be really really good. Fairway landforms are excellent

[MCirba]

Ben,


12 at Sylvania is indeed an excellent hole. I love the diagonal drive over the ridge and the rest of the hole is just a perfect setting that Park utilized wonderfully well. I just wonder if it fits quite with the description of a dog leg of some of the other holes that are being described a number of which were almost 90°. How many degree turn would you think is on the one at Sylvania?

[Peter Pallotta]

Reading this and thinking about threads on Sand Valley and Streamsong and Erin Hills and Bandon etc, I hear William Shatner intoning the opening words of the original “Star Trek”:

Space...The Final Frontier!

The physical (outer) space as metaphor for an expanding (inner) space.

Apparently, the golfing consciousness of the 21 century no longer wants to be hemmed in/constricted in any way.

Quantum golf as per Einstein, not gravity golf as per Newton!

[MCirba]

Speaking of open space, my understanding is that the very cool dogleg 12th at Pine Valley may soon have much more of it along the left side where Crumpian bunkers have been sadly buried under 50 yards of brush and pine trees for decades.

Giving players a look at the green as it was in George's day will create a hole that has possibly been improved by modern technology as it will be difficult for young bombers to resist the direct shot when that is really, really low percentage and could lead to the proverbial 2 or 20.

I suspect that hole was the inspiration for William Flynn's template seen on 10 at Merion, 4 at Huntingdon Valley, and a number of his others, as well as RTJ Sr.'s hole at Spyglass.

[Bruce Katona]

I'm rather enamored with the drive-able par 4 which can also be a hole with a sharper dog-leg.  Depending on the day/wind direction/hole location/tee markers; one can go for the green off the tee; or tee off with less than a driver to attack the pin location with a short approach with a lofted club.