[Garland Bayley]

Glad to see Brahan getting some mention.  Jon has proposed a matchplay against the course bogey at at 12 GBP per.  I thought we might try to maximize participation on the Friday before the official BUDA.

I don't know what "matchplay against the course bogey" means.

[Jon Wiggett]

 So here is a brief explanation of the format to used in the pre-BUDA event at my place, Brahan Golf Club. It will be an individual bogey matchplay against the course at a cost of £12 per player.

Bogey is an older form of par where it is based more on the actual score a player is expected to get on a hole rather than just the length. The player get will receive full handicap and takes the stroke where the SI indicates for the front nine.
Now here is where the twist comes. I describe Brahan as an 18 hole course set over a nine hole routing. The par on the 4th,5th,6th,7th&8^th holes change from the front nine to the back and all nine holes play quite differently from each set of tees. This means that I can on occasion also set a bogey that is a half number for example on the second it is a par 4 from all the tees but it has a bogey score of 4.5 from the back tee. This means the 2^nd will always produce a result from the back tee but the player needs to decide whether he/she can still score the same as from the front tee despite the 62 yard difference.

The bogey score for the 9 holes are as follows:

First is a bogey 4 from either tee.The second is a bogey 4 from the front but a 4.5 from the back. The third is a bogey 2.5 from the front but a 3 from the back. The fourth is a 4.5 from the front but a 5 from the back. The fifth is a bogey 3 from the front and a 3.5 from the back. The sixth is a 4.5 from the front and a 5 from the back. The seventh is a bogey 4 from the front and a 5 from the back. The Eight is a bogey 3 from the front and a 3.5 from the back and finally the ninth is a bogey 5 from the front but a 5.5 from the back.
I am sure there will be further questions about the format that I will need to clarify but trust me it is not so difficult just new. I look forward to any feed back.

[Jon Wiggett]

Bump

[Garland Bayley]

I don't understand the player needs to decide part. Is the player deciding where to take his handicap strokes? Instead of using the SI?

[Jon Wiggett]

No garland. Where shots are taken is decided by the SI. The player decides which tee to play from and so on a hole such as the 2nd whether to play against a score of 4 or 4.5

[Mark Pearce]

Steve,


With BUDA little more than 3 months away is now the time to collect deposits?  History suggests that you'll lose several of the 39 golfers listed on page 1 and I know that there are reserves waiting to get in.  To give them a chance to plan, you should collect deposits now so that we can work out who is properly committed.


Mark

[Steve Wilson]

Mark,
Was intending to kick the ball into action last week but I was one of those felled by a failed flu vaccine, I am
now back on my feet and ready to go.  More information today or tomorrow.

[Steve Wilson]

Bumping to the top.

[John Chilver-Stainer]

 So here is a brief explanation of the format to used in the pre-BUDA event at my place, Brahan Golf Club. It will be an individual bogey matchplay against the course at a cost of £12 per player.

Bogey is an older form of par where it is based more on the actual score a player is expected to get on a hole rather than just the length. The player get will receive full handicap and takes the stroke where the SI indicates for the front nine.
Now here is where the twist comes. I describe Brahan as an 18 hole course set over a nine hole routing. The par on the 4th,5th,6th,7th&8^th holes change from the front nine to the back and all nine holes play quite differently from each set of tees. This means that I can on occasion also set a bogey that is a half number for example on the second it is a par 4 from all the tees but it has a bogey score of 4.5 from the back tee. This means the 2^nd will always produce a result from the back tee but the player needs to decide whether he/she can still score the same as from the front tee despite the 62 yard difference.

The bogey score for the 9 holes are as follows:

First is a bogey 4 from either tee.The second is a bogey 4 from the front but a 4.5 from the back. The third is a bogey 2.5 from the front but a 3 from the back. The fourth is a 4.5 from the front but a 5 from the back. The fifth is a bogey 3 from the front and a 3.5 from the back. The sixth is a 4.5 from the front and a 5 from the back. The seventh is a bogey 4 from the front and a 5 from the back. The Eight is a bogey 3 from the front and a 3.5 from the back and finally the ninth is a bogey 5 from the front but a 5.5 from the back.
I am sure there will be further questions about the format that I will need to clarify but trust me it is not so difficult just new. I look forward to any feed back.

Jon,
an original idea which could be fun, however I'm not sure how any bogey player should be expected to get a 2.5 on a Par 3!!!
I'll take the back Tee.


The 5.5 bogey is more realistic on the 9th


How will the score card look - will one be putting to win or lose by 1/2 a stroke.


Very intriguing

[Jon Wiggett]

John,


I assume you are referring to the front tee on the third which is a bogey 2.5. I have come to this as it is only 120 yards plus has a much easier angle to the green and so would always be chosen over the back tee at 155 if both are bogey 3s. As it is a player who wants to play safe if most likely to go from the back where a birdie is much less likely than from the front tee. A player who takes on the chance of an easier birdie chance will however need to take into account that should they fail they will lose the hole.


Back tee with a bogey 3 is a difficult birdie which would win the hole, a straight forward par which would halve the hole or a sloppy one over which would lose the hole.


From the front tee it is a very possible birdie to win the hole but also a possible par which would lose the hole.


Hope this makes it clear.


Jon

[John Chilver-Stainer]

So Colonel Bogey was pretty handy with his mashie niblick.


How does the scoring work?

Everyone plays with their handicap against Colonel Bogey from their chosen tee on a hole by hole basis and the person that beats him the most number of holes wins?

[Jon Wiggett]

Correct John.


In a tie count back on the number of half bogeys taken on and in the event of this tying then a duel to the death using driving clubs

[Garland Bayley]

Correct John.


In a tie count back on the number of half bogeys taken on and in the event of this tying then a duel to the death using driving clubs

Now that is surprising. Since you called it match play, I assumed it would be scored like match play. An erratic golfer like me would have a distinct advantage if you only count wins, and don't deduct loses.

[jeffwarne]

So in theory, a player could win 5 holes and pick up(lose) on the other 15, and another player could win 4 holes and tie the other 13 and lose.
hmmmm...



Would heavily influence the 1/2 par hole decisions as wins are relevant and ties and losses not(unless a playoff)


Match play(rather than just wins) with wins minus losses would seem a better format to encourage one to take on both the RISK and reward of the interesting format.


But regardless, seems an interesting event.

[John Mayhugh]

Steve,
Deposit in dollars or pounds?  Your post said $, but since we will eventually be paying in GBP I want to be sure.

thanks

[mike_malone]

John’s post got me to look at page one. I paypaled.


Check page one Pests.


I see the title has been changed. Thanks for your work, Steve.

[David_Tepper]

Steve -

For us old-timers who still transact business by writings checks and sending them in an envelope thru the mail, please provide your address. Thanks.

DT

[Jon Wiggett]

Correct John.


In a tie count back on the number of half bogeys taken on and in the event of this tying then a duel to the death using driving clubs

Garland,


it is matchplay where you play against the bogey score. At the end we will compare the individual scores against each other as everyone will have played the same opponent.

Now that is surprising. Since you called it match play, I assumed it would be scored like match play. An erratic golfer like me would have a distinct advantage if you only count wins, and don't deduct loses.

[Jon Wiggett]

So in theory, a player could win 5 holes and pick up(lose) on the other 15, and another player could win 4 holes and tie the other 13 and lose.
hmmmm...



Would heavily influence the 1/2 par hole decisions as wins are relevant and ties and losses not(unless a playoff)


Match play(rather than just wins) with wins minus losses would seem a better format to encourage one to take on both the RISK and reward of the interesting format.


But regardless, seems an interesting event.

Jeff,


it is 9 holes not 20 as you seem to be thinking (20!!! where do you get that???) You win and lose holes as in matchplay and the player who wins by the most holes whether this is plus or minus is the best player. If two tie then it will be decided by who took on the most half par holes as these are do or die.


Hope this is a little clearer   



Jon

[Ian Galbraith]

Hi Steve, thanks for the update to the 1st post. Do you want dollars or pounds via PayPal ?


Looking forward to 3 days up North - and likely sneaking in a cheeky warm up round at Nairn with a friend on the way up.

[Mark Chaplin]

Nicky and I are spending the summer living and working in St Andrews rather than Deal, if anyone is visiting pre or post Buda please look us up.

[Jon Wiggett]

On a side note I am pleased to say that Golspie should be in good nick for the BUDA as they have appointed a new head greenkeeper. Muir formerly of Ballindalloch which sadly recently closed is going to be taking on the job. He did a very good job at Ballindalloch so I am confident he will be the right man for Golspie.

[David_Tepper]

Jon -

Thanks for the Golspie news. Glad to hear the club has landed a capable man. Good news for golf in the Highlands.

DT

[mike_malone]

I wanted to let the group know that I canceled my Golf Links Hotel reservations if someone can benefit from that.

[Eric Smith]

Steve,


Thank you so much for organizing! I'm looking forward to attending what will be my third BUDA and my first visit to the highlands.


I've booked a tee time for two at Dornoch on the Friday (May 25) at 7:08 AM at 160 quid per player. If anyone would like to join me, let me know, whenever. It's prepaid.

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