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John Kavanaugh

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I can't see myself ever paying to play Shadow Creek. So happy for all you who do.

Kalen Braley

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Unless your a .1%'er with a bunch of free time on your hands, the reality is you won't get a crack at most golf courses you'd like to play, much less the ANGCs and Pine Valleys of the world.


Perhaps a more interesting question is which ones in the top 100, do you think you have a realistic shot at playing.

Mike_DeVries

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My list is long, but two stand out:


Cape Wickham.  We do plan on making a trip to Australia/NZ, but Cape Wickham seems too daunting of a travel challenge.


Old Elm. As a kid growing up in Chicago area, OE always had a mystique even beyond its all-male status.  Now, divorce might ensue. My wife still has not fully forgiven me for the one time I played Burning Tree 20+ years ago.


Ira

Ira,
If you make it to Australia to play, I would bet you will get to the Sand Belt and KI is just a 40 minute flight from Moorabbin airport, which is next door to Kingston Heath, so it might be remote but it is very accessible.
Cheers,
Mike

Ira Fishman

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Mike,


Thanks for the info.  It is clear that it is an awesome course and glad to know from the true expert that getting there not as complicated as I thought.


Ira

Peter Pallotta

"Admire" is such a great/interesting choice of words.
There are many many courses that I think top notch (architecturally) and would be pleased to play. But I'm wondering how many of those courses-clubs I also "admire".
One way to think about it is: find the *people* I admire/think of highly, and see what courses they play-clubs they belong to. That'd probably be a good guide.
 
   

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Mike Sweeney

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Unless your a .1%'er with a bunch of free time on your hands, the reality is you won't get a crack at most golf courses you'd like to play, much less the ANGCs and Pine Valleys of the world.



Kalen,

Pine Valley is very accessible to golf nuts. They have a big membership and many of them are very generous. It is just that lots of people want to play it.

Augusta is the obvious Bogey on the access list, but I have a bunch of friends who have played it. The "final peg" does often seem to come down to Augusta to fill that last peg for the peg board hungry crowd.

Growing up in Philly, I did have a bunch of high school golf team friends who were members at fancy clubs, but my Dad did not play, so I still consider Walnut Lane my home course:

http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/walnut-lane/

When I moved to New York City, my home courses were Bethpage Black and Montauk Downs. Over the years, I have hosted charity outings at fancy clubs, hosted people at Yale, been a good golf partner, and paid my contribution annually to GCA.com. I have played enough fancy courses to now turn my focus to courses like Cape A (just scheduled for Labor Day) and Wine Valley.

Based on my personal experience, I think you have a much better chance of cracking the Top 100 as an insurance agent or asset manager rather than a Master of the Universe type.  :)

My point is, golf rewards people that love and give back to golf. For crying out loud, Ran's home course is the Southern Pines Elks Club and nobody is crying for Ran!!

Fairways and greens.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Kalen Braley

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Mike,


Very well said, I think that really encapsulates the access side pretty accurately.


But the other part is having the resources and time to travel to all the various destinations.  For most its a once per year thing, on a limited budget...which i'm currently in that group.


P.S. I work in tech so I don't forsee being an asset manager anytime soon...  ;)


« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 03:00:22 PM by Kalen Braley »

Daryl David

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Cape Wickham.  We do plan on making a trip to Australia/NZ, but Cape Wickham seems too daunting of a travel challenge.



Between Barnbougle and King Island, I have visited 5 times. I could not imagine going all the way from North America to OZ and then considering the trip to Tasmania to be a challenge. Kind of like saying no to Cypress when you are in San Francisco due to the hassle. Ira, you won't be disappointed. 😎

Tom_Doak

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An old friend of mine, who is or was a member of Pine Valley, described it to me as "the most expensive resort course in America".  The majority of rounds are 1 member + 3 guests and sometimes 1+7.  But that undoubtedly makes it a winner by Peter's definition.


Other winners by the "people you admire are members there" include Sand Hills and the underrated Prairie Dunes, St Andrews and Dornoch and Ballybunion and Sandwich.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 10:25:23 PM by Tom_Doak »

Ira Fishman

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We are the last people that would or should complain because we have been fortunate to live good lives with good family and friends plus travel to several great courses. But in re-reading this thread I have one thought: I sure hope that the Powerball ticket I purchased today comes through.


Ira

Peter Pallotta

Thanks for that list, Tom. Prairie Dunes might've been the only one I would've thought to add.
I wonder what our (collective) travel would be like and what changes might happen in the ratings/rankings if we put a premium on playing the courses we admired.
I admire The Loop at Forest Dunes.
I admire Ganton and Walton Heath and Formby
I admire Sankaty Head and Crystal Downs
I admire Ballyneal and Pasatiempo
I admire Burnham & Berrow

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Ben Jarvis

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I probably won't get to AU, NZ, Japan, etc. - but if i ever get to Sweden/Norway or France/Spain/Italy i don't see being able to take the time for golf.


I am constantly hearing that "I probably won't get to Australia". When I ask the question why, the most common response is "it's so far away". May I suggest you take that 15 hour flight from the West Coast of the USA (or 24 hours all up if you're on the East Coast"? You won't regret it and it really is just one of two flights away!
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Mike Sweeney

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I am constantly hearing that "I probably won't get to Australia". When I ask the question why, the most common response is "it's so far away". May I suggest you take that 15 hour flight from the West Coast of the USA (or 24 hours all up if you're on the East Coast"? You won't regret it and it really is just one of two flights away!


Just yesterday, I got a message from an old "GCA Friend" that I have an open invitation to Oz to play and stay at his place. I thanked him but gave a cordial "probably won't get to Oz" reply. Your note reminded me that my older son is in the US Navy and he could be stationed in Oz one day, so you never know:


"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Mike Sweeney

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Facebook must be watching this thread as this Tara Ito video just popped up this morning:


Tara Ito Golf video on Vimeo

If Dylan Sweeney gets deployed to Australia, I am going to Tara Ito !! That is a cool video, and screw Jaka and his Drone ban!

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Bill Vogeney

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Thanks for that list, Tom. Prairie Dunes might've been the only one I would've thought to add.
I wonder what our (collective) travel would be like and what changes might happen in the ratings/rankings if we put a premium on playing the courses we admired.
I admire The Loop at Forest Dunes.
I admire Ganton and Walton Heath and Formby
I admire Sankaty Head and Crystal Downs
I admire Ballyneal and Pasatiempo
I admire Burnham & Berrow
I would gladly host you at Ballyneal and Prairie Dunes. Definitely worth the travel. Tack on Colorado Golf Club and you have an amazing trip.

Peter Pallotta

Thank you, Bill - that's very generous of you, especially in that you're reaching out to almost a complete stranger. It also proves my point/confirms my guess, ie that the courses I'd want to play are part of the clubs (and peopled by members) that I admire. Which reminds me: there are at least two courses on Chicago that also fit the bill!
Thanks again
Peter
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Bill Vogeney

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Thank you, Bill - that's very generous of you, especially in that you're reaching out to almost a complete stranger. It also proves my point/confirms my guess, ie that the courses I'd want to play are part of the clubs (and peopled by members) that I admire. Which reminds me: there are at least two courses on Chicago that also fit the bill!
Thanks again
Peter
thanks-I just love going to both places. Always looking for people to host. Prairie Dunes is just a gem from a GCA standpoint but from an interpersonal standpoint. I have yet to meet a local member that I didn't like a lot!! Like Doak said, it's a top 10 most engaging members.

Peter Le

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Bill & Peter,
My short journey through GCA led me to play a round at Yale with Mike Sweeney a few years ago (very enjoyable round). That led to a kind introduction to a very generous member at Eastward Ho! and an annual trip to visit their wonderful course and club. If you guys are in the Denver area before starting the trip to Ballyneal and Prairie Dunes, I'd be happy to host you guys at Colorado Golf Club. It's a wonderful place.
PL

Mike Sweeney

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Sweetens Cove @ NY Times:

“If you leave Sweetens Cove smiling, don’t panic: golf is supposed to be fun,” wrote Ran Morrissett, the author of “The Confidential Guide to Golf Courses.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/sports/golf/sweetens-cove-golf-club-rob-collins.html?_r=0

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Michael Whitaker

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Bill & Peter,
My short journey through GCA led me to play a round at Yale with Mike Sweeney a few years ago (very enjoyable round). That led to a kind introduction to a very generous member at Eastward Ho! and an annual trip to visit their wonderful course and club. If you guys are in the Denver area before starting the trip to Ballyneal and Prairie Dunes, I'd be happy to host you guys at Colorado Golf Club. It's a wonderful place.
Peter,


CGC is indeed a wonderful place. I've had the good fortune to visit there twice and had a wonderful experience both times. You are a lucky man to have such a club available to you. Good on you for reaching out to the group. Anyone who takes advantage will be glad they did!  All the best!!!
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Bill Raffo

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It's just wonderful that the golf community and particularly folks at the great clubs, by and large, recognize the passion people have and either by invitation or auctioning off a charity round, make it possible for so many of us to have that one go at these masterpieces.  Please never stop!


When I'm old and gray, the one course I'd regret having never played is Pine Valley. From my earliest golf memories, paging through books of courses from libraries, the images of the monstrous bunkers, the tales of the difficulty, the stories of the focus and considerable efforts of Mr. Crump to build a masterpiece, the history, it's always stood out as my sort of holy grail in golf.


But if it never happens, and I do find myself falling into regret, I'll quickly think about the birdie on 11 at Augusta, walking down that incredible fairway corridor on 15 at Friar's Head, the initial amazement at seeing the tenth at Winged Foot West, looking up at the 4th at Bethpage Black, the redan at National, coming over the ridge of the 10th at Shinnecock, the 18th at Pebble, the views up on Gullane Hill, the 17th at Muirfield, the people, the comraderie and I'll be thankful...very thankful.
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