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Steve_ Shaffer

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David_Tepper

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 03:12:26 PM »
Steve -

Thanks for posting. I wonder how they will promote/advertise the product going forward. Infomercials on the Golf Channel? :)

DT
 

Jim Franklin

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2017, 03:19:52 PM »
I have a 51* Hogan wedge that I love. I hope they keep making them.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2017, 07:06:11 PM »
Right hand only.  :'(
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Paul Jones

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2017, 08:15:33 PM »
I have a set of irons and wedges and love them.


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David_Tepper

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 10:32:31 PM »
"Right hand only. :'("

Mike -

The expense of trying to provide both right- and left-hand clubs might bankrupt Hogan Golf a 4th time! ;)

DT
 

Dave Doxey

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 08:25:35 AM »
Hogan is simply a brand name.  The quality of the product is what matters.  There is no reason to expect that past experiences with Hogan clubs (good or bad) says anything about the clubs that the current brand holder will produce.

Ulrich Mayring

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 08:22:11 PM »
What do you mean produce? They're clearing out the old Hogan inventory. So quality should be as before.

Ulrich
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David_Tepper

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 09:29:11 PM »
Ulrich -

As I read it, the article does not really say how much Hogan inventory they still have. I certainly get the impression that, once whatever is left of the current inventory gets sold, they will continue the manufacture the irons and wedges they were offering over the past couple of years.

DT

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2017, 02:08:14 AM »
I just watched the video about how the clubs are made on the Hogan website.


https://benhogangolf.com/pages/production


There is no sign of any foundry work or forging process being undertaken in Fort Worth. All we see is assembly.


Am I right in suspecting that the clubheads, shafts, and grips are shipped in from Asia to be put together in Texas?








Andy Stamm

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2017, 06:54:09 AM »
I just watched the video about how the clubs are made on the Hogan website.


https://benhogangolf.com/pages/production


There is no sign of any foundry work or forging process being undertaken in Fort Worth. All we see is assembly.


Am I right in suspecting that the clubheads, shafts, and grips are shipped in from Asia to be put together in Texas?


There's no question that there's no forging being done in Ft Worth, there hasn't been since the 90s. And there's not really any forging of golf clubs being done in the US at all at the moment. That's pretty much all done in China and Japan. If the shafts are KBS they're from Taiwan, if Dynamic Gold or Project X, the US (although certainly not Texas). The grips aren't the US but might be Mexico.


This is of course the same as all the other US based manufacturers (except Ping which does do some domestic production but not forging).

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2017, 11:03:56 AM »

There's no question that there's no forging being done in Ft Worth, there hasn't been since the 90s. And there's not really any forging of golf clubs being done in the US at all at the moment. That's pretty much all done in China and Japan. If the shafts are KBS they're from Taiwan, if Dynamic Gold or Project X, the US (although certainly not Texas). The grips aren't the US but might be Mexico.


This is of course the same as all the other US based manufacturers (except Ping which does do some domestic production but not forging).


So all the club "manufacturers" are simply brands with R&D departments and source their products at the same suppliers in China?



« Last Edit: July 28, 2017, 11:11:36 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

Andy Stamm

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2017, 11:39:22 AM »
Forgings are all done pretty much done in China and Japan. A forging can be a very raw product require a lot of hands on work to be turned into a finished club. That work can be done in the US in which case the final product can have a lot of the final value and workmanship coming form the US. Or the forging can be fairly finished and require little value add to get it to market. Or the finish work can be done abroad. Or the finishing work and assembly can be done abroad. It depends on the manufacturer and the club etc as to the specifics. Nike for example did a ton of handwork (on their tour clubs at least) in Ft Worth, but that of course is now over.


The shafts are not made by the club company but bought from shaft manufacturers. True Temper has huge market share in steel shafts and is USA made. In graphite most production is China and Japan. So it depends on what the manufacturer provides and the customer demands. There are some grips made in the US but most of the big names produce outside of the US including Mexico.


Ping certainly does more club head manufacturing in the US than others. But plenty of their clubs (and the component parts they buy in) are not produced in the US. As far as iron club heads because they don't do much in the way of forging they can do production in house and in the US. The overhead for producing forgings is too much to do in house and the US foundries where companies got their heads from aren't doing much in golf, with scale being a contributing factor. I don't think they do much wood manufacturing (particularly titanium) in house or in the US, but I'm not sure about that.


If Hogan are doing finally assembly etc in Ft Worth, they're doing pretty well. And what they're doing is very similar to what all American club manufacturers are doing.


At the end of the day there's a lot less handwork being done to clubs. Manufacturers all buy components from various sources and in a globalized world a lot of that is abroad. Some is high wage Japan, some low wage China. Some production is in the US. To think otherwise is a bit naive. At the end of the day the clubs in any modern golf bag there's almost no chance of there being all US production and a very high chance of a big mixture.

Ari Techner

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2017, 12:14:31 AM »
There are zero club heads being made in the USA other than putters.  Unfortunately Ping hasn't made their heads in AZ in quite a few years.   

Andy Stamm

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2017, 06:19:29 AM »
There are zero club heads being made in the USA other than putters.  Unfortunately Ping hasn't made their heads in AZ in quite a few years.


Can't you still order older iron models and aren't those made in AZ?

Daryl David

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2017, 08:29:51 PM »
The new Ping G400 driver shows the following as to its manufacturing.


Shaft built in Bangladesh
Head built in China
Club assembled in USA

Garland Bayley

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2017, 12:49:31 AM »
It seems to me that the best market for their individually lofted clubs for each degree would be seniors and women. If you only need a club for every six degrees, then you can fill up your set with other useful clubs.

E.g., i built a 15 wood for a female friend who uses it to hit over trees.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2017, 12:28:34 AM »
Right hand only.  :'(

Comment section says left handed next year for the cavity backs. They had been in the works before they filed chapter 11.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: Hogan clubs are back...again!
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2017, 12:38:04 AM »
It seems to me that the best market for their individually lofted clubs for each degree would be seniors and women. If you only need a club for every six degrees, then you can fill up your set with other useful clubs.

E.g., i built a 15 wood for a female friend who uses it to hit over trees.

Unfortunately, I see they have gone to the standard 7 club set of irons with 4 degree separation between clubs. So you don't seem to be able to make up a set of your selection.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Steve_ Shaffer

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"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”