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James Boon

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2017, 01:11:29 PM »
I started playing golf at 14, following a couple of mates to a local municipal for a round and then a nearby club that had a second course of 9 holes that you didnt need to be a member to play. I talked to my mum and dad about joining the club, but then about the same time a new course opened nearer to home and I was lucky enough that my parents signed me up for there...


Horsley Lodge 1991
The first club that I was a member at, that made great use of the undulating former farmland, criss-crossed with streams, to make an interesting layout, however the greens and some of the conditioning left a little to be desired. Very much part of the late 80s/early 90s golf boom, at the time the course was nothing special, but it did start my love of golf and my love for courses that use the land well and ask plenty of your short game (it had very small greens!)

Cavendish circa 1992
A trip from Horsley where a group of us went to play Cavendish, the only thing I was told beforehand was that it was designed by the same guy who did Augusta where I'd seen the Masters on TV. WOW! This really opened my eyes to what a golf course could be and I made every effort to return to Cavendish for various junior Opens in the coming years.

Brora circa 1992
A family holiday to the caravan site adjacent to the 12th hole at Brora, started my love affair with links golf. playing golf at times from dawn till dusk, that was so totally alien to the inland golf I'd played previously, was a revelation. Having watched The Open on TV I wondered why the Open wasnt played at a course like Brora (I know, I was young) as it was so good and such a challenge, using the landscape wonderfully!

The Belfry (Brabazon) 1993
It was only a couple of weeks after the Ryder Cup that I got an opportunity to play the Belfry. My first real trip to what I had been lead to believe based on other peoples comments and seeing it on TV, was a great course... Afraid to say I was disappointed, and I have recollection of thinking if Cavendish or Brora can be so good and yet hardly known, but the Belfry so dull and yet known internationally, what is involved, why do I love one and not the other, and who designs these things? My interest in GCA was born...

Notts (Hollinwell) circa 1994
My reading of anything I could regarding golf courses and their architecture, naturally lead to looking at lists (sorry Melvyn) and the search for the best course near to home. It was Notts and so arranged for a days golf there that summer. This started my love of heathland golf and also a love affair with a course, that quite a few years later I'm now very proud to call my home club.

Horsley Lodge 1999
By this time, I'd looked into becoming a golf course architect, but had moved away from this for various reasons to look at an architect of buildings instead, and was studying this at university, with GCA taking a back seat in my interests. However my home club Horsley had decided to go through a significant rebuild, with 18 new undulating greens, some in totally new locations, and new tees and some completely realigned fairways opening up a strategic challenge. Getting to see this work taking place up close, again rekindled my interest in GCA.

By the time I joined GCA and met many of you, I'd pretty much read everything I could, though still had plenty of courses to play and experience. However having now been able to play some excellent and interesting course its these early courses and the positive or perhaps negative effect on how they've defined my as a golfer and GCA enthusiats that probably say the most about me?

Cheers,

James
2023 Highlights: Hollinwell, Brora, Parkstone, Cavendish, Hallamshire, Sandmoor, Moortown, Elie, Crail, St Andrews (Himalayas & Eden), Chantilly, M, Hardelot Les Pins

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Tim Gallant

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2017, 05:20:08 AM »
Reflecting back, there are a couple of courses that I would say have defined my golfing life.


Needwood Golf Course
A muni that has a full 18, and an executive 9, I played my first round of golf on the exec with my older brother. I had birthday parties there, fell in love with the drinks girls every summer, worked there as a cart boy, had my high school team tryouts there, and ate more french fries than I care to remember. I learned golf there sure, but I learned a lot of skills there such as how to talk to new acquaintances (I was always paired up as a single), I learned golf etiquette, and I learned how to play quick. I wouldn't trade my rounds there for much.


Manor Country Club
The first private course that I played, we had a number of families in the neighborhood who were members, and I remember how elegant the place was/is. I watched the 2000 US Open from a 10" screen in the pro shop, and that may be the earliest memory I have of Tiger. I foolishly asked if anyone had a chance to catch him on the Sunday. The pro just laughed and said 'not a chance'.


Hilton Head Harbor Town
We stayed in Sea Pines when I was in high school and got two free rounds on the Harbor Town course. My folks didn't play golf, so I went around twice and was paired with others. It was plain old fun, and was the first time I truly understood how a course didn't have to be long to be hard. I was continually on the wrong side of the fairway, and found the entire course very perplexing, and yet, so much fun.


North Berwick West Links
This course and a few other links courses in Scotland grew my love for golf, and has made it a life long passion that has given me much more than I will ever be able to give back. Architecturally, as I have become more interested in the subject, it has provided me a first-hand look at one of the most architecturally interesting courses in the world. And for that, I am forever grateful.

Brad Tufts

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2017, 02:58:22 PM »
Olde Salem Greens (Salem Municipal)

My early golf years, ages 10-13, were spent on this 9-holer that was about $15 to play.  The course is very quirky and fun, while also being full-length with a Wayne Stiles pedigree.  Because the country club down the street was not yet accessible for me, this taught me what golf was and how fun it could be before any other course did.  Fun also that it was our primary practice venue for HS golf team, so that added another fun 20 rounds per year at Salem Myoon.

Pavement golf in front of my house

We had Franklin plastic clubs (usually a wood and an iron), and we would design our own 18 around the 200y by 200y area around our house, playing to trees, fences, bushes, etc.  Many shots came off pavement, and you didn't want to destroy the neighbor's lawn, so this is why I think I became a sweeper.  I learned to shape shots, use my imagination, and ballstriking, as you had to hit it solid for the plastic balls to go anywhere (maybe 50y max).  Also taught me subtle golf design principles, as I loved any hole I could dream up that plausibly looked like a real one.

Tedesco Country Club

My dad joined in the mid-90s, giving me a place to practice and play, often with one of my grandfathers.  I'm now the only active 4th-generation member, I'm on several committees, and I've won the club champ 4 times, so Tedesco is part of the family.  TCC is home in more ways than one, as it serves as my definition of "Golf."  All aspects of my other golf experiences are compared to my home course, and I'm lucky that my definition is a Golden Age design with small push-up greens, more challenge than its scorecard length, and is a real pure golf experience.  Can't say enough about "the real" TCC (take that Brookline)...it's in my blood!

Essex County Club

The first great course I played, complete with fescue waving in the breeze, and a bit more primitive Golden Age look.  It was (and is) an intoxicating place, and only made me want to learn more and see what other courses were like.  Amazing that it is still my favorite course in my home state, and I have scored everything from 68 to 119 there over the years!

Links golf

My first trip to Scotland in 1999 opened my eyes to a completely different world of golf that required imagination and a different set of shots than those I had learned back playing parkland golf in Boston.  Turnberry was my first round, but seeing Dornoch (pure, challenging test), Cruden Bay (wild, whimsy), and TOC (unique among links for age and openness) really were the most influential to me.

I would guess most if not all of my golf experiences have been reactions on some level to the above!
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Ed Homsey

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2017, 04:23:47 PM »
Though I had played golf for several years prior to my becoming a member, Stafford Country Club is the setting that has provided my sweetest moments related to golf.  My wife and I made the decision to join there after suffering through seasons of 6 hour rounds on local munis, notably the Durand-Eastmangfgfd course, in Rochester, NY, that was a gem before it was butchered, architecturally.
When we joined Stafford, in 1975, I knew nothing about golf course architecture (still consider myself a neophyte).  Stafford’s terrific old Travis course started me down the road of interest in the architecture of a golf course.  It’s remaining, original Travis greens taught me a lot about the intricacies of old, classic greens.  I began to appreciate the rhythm and flow of Stafford’s routing, and how Travis used the distinct features of the land for the siting of his greens.  I began to resent those who had not respected the old features of the course, and bulldozed them away.  As a member, and eventual Chairman, of the Green Committee I was introduced to the challenge of preserving, and caring for this course that I had grown to love.  As Chairman, I was privileged to lead the effort to develop a long range golf course plan, working closely with architect Ian Andrew and our golf course superintendent, Pete Cavanaugh.  My continuing education took a major leap during the bunker project recommended in the long range plan.  I’ll always be grateful for the opportunity to observe, up close, the work of the architect, contractor, and shaper. 
My very first impression of Stafford was that it seemed “easy”.  Much, much later, I learned that Travis said something to the effect of “my courses look easy, at first”.  I soon learned that I was way off in my first impressions.  Meeting its challenges drove me to work on improving my game.  I was a pretty strong 11 to13 handicap for many years.  The work, and lessons, paid off with my first sub-80 round, and a period of time as a single digit handicapper.  Now, as I approach my 9th decade, I am very pleased when I break 100.  But, mostly, I just enjoy being out on that old course.
Stafford’s reciprocals contributed greatly to my golfing experience and, particularly, to my appreciation of golf course architecture.  Cherry Hill Club and Lookout Point CC, in southern Ontario, and Yahnundasis Golf Club and CC of Troy expanded my appreciation of Walter Travis.  For several years, one of my favorite reciprocals was Teugaga Country Club, in Rome, NY.  I have played each of the Donald Ross courses in Rochester, plus CC of Buffalo and Bellevue  CC,  in Syracuse, NY, but I am most impressed with what Ross did at Teugaga. 
Offshoots of Stafford’s influence on my golf life include founding an inter-club Travis Cup event involving Stafford, Orchard Park CC, and the afore-mentioned southern Ontario Travis courses.  That led to the founding of The Walter J. Travis Society.
All thanks to Stafford CC.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 12:20:46 PM by Ed Homsey »

Jon Wiggett

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2017, 05:35:28 PM »
Though I had played golf for several years prior to my becoming a member, Stafford Country Club is the setting that has provided my sweetest moments related to golf.  My wife and I made the decision to join there after suffering through seasons of 6 hour rounds on local munis, notably the Durand-Eastman golf course, in Rochester, NY, that was a gem before it was butchered, architecturally.
When we joined Stafford, in 1975, I knew nothing about golf course architecture (still consider myself a neophyte).  Stafford’s terrific old Travis course started me down the road of interest in the architecture of a golf course.  It’s remaining, original Travis greens taught me a lot about the intricacies of old, classic greens.  I began to appreciate the rhythm and flow of Stafford’s routing, and how Travis used the distinct features of the land for the siting of his greens.  I began to resent those who had not respected the old features of the course, and bulldozed them away.  As a member, and eventual Chairman, of the Green Committee I was introduced to the challenge of preserving, and caring for this course that I had grown to love.  As Chairman, I was privileged to lead the effort to develop a long range golf course plan, working closely with architect Ian Andrew and our golf course superintendent, Pete Cavanaugh.  My continuing education took a major leap during the bunker project recommended in the long range plan.  I’ll always be grateful for the opportunity to observe, up close, the work of the architect, contractor, and shaper. 
My very first impression of Stafford was that it seemed “easy”.  Much, much later, I learned that Travis said something to the effect of “my courses look easy, at first”.  I soon learned that I was way off in my first impressions.  Meeting its challenges drove me to work on improving my game.  I was a pretty strong 11 to13 handicap for many years.  The work, and lessons, paid off with my first sub-80 round, and a period of time as a single digit handicapper.  Now, as I approach my 9th decade, I am very pleased when I break 100.  But, mostly, I just enjoy being out on that old course.
Stafford’s reciprocals contributed greatly to my golfing experience and, particularly, to my appreciation of golf course architecture.  Cherry Hill Club and Lookout Point CC, in southern Ontario, and Yahnundasis Golf Club and CC of Troy expanded my appreciation of Walter Travis.  For several years, one of my favorite reciprocals was Teugaga Country Club, in Rome, NY.  I have played each of the Donald Ross courses in Rochester, plus CC of Buffalo and Bellevue  CC,  in Syracuse, NY, but I am most impressed with what Ross did at Teugaga. 
Offshoots of Stafford’s influence on my golf life include founding an inter-club Travis Cup event involving Stafford, Orchard Park CC, and the afore-mentioned southern Ontario Travis courses.  That led to the founding of The Walter J. Travis Society.
All thanks to Stafford CC.


Ian Andrew

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2017, 06:07:08 PM »

While I grew up playing a couple of public courses, it’s hard to define your golfing life from 13 to 16. The first great course I ever played was Cape Breton Highlands (Highlands Links) with my father. He had made his mind up to show me a series of great courses each year so that I could study them. I played the course when I was 16 and was awestruck by the constant changes in setting and how that was part of the golfing experience. Being there now is both the most frustrating and most exciting part of my architectural life ... what it should be ... sigh!

Pinehurst #2 was my greatest educational moment as a golf and future architect. My father and played it when I was 17. I played a really great game, but for all the good I had done, a series of mistakes had prevented what should have been a sub 80 round. I thought my father played poorly, ending up constantly short, but he managed to get up and down a lot for a smooth 77. I bitched about how he had won despite playing poorly – as he always did – and he laughed at me. Dad scoffed at this and explained the architecture of the course and how he had played for position all day. Often short of greens – to ensure he wouldn’t waste a single stroke. He explained in detail what he intended to avoid and why. Where he thought he could take a chance. He pointed out my arrogance in chasing a couple of deadly pins and explained how I had wasted a particularly strong day with a "weak mind". I sat stunned … floored really … and it was the moment when I saw architecture differently. I realized where I got sucked in, the impact of a near miss ... what I could do to other golfers!

« Last Edit: January 03, 2017, 06:09:06 PM by Ian Andrew »
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2017, 06:41:30 PM »
The course that sticks out re: this topic most for me has to do with my own golf game, and it's Pawleys Plantation G&CC in Pawleys Island, SC. I reckon that I've logged around 500 rounds at the course, and it's shaped my game. For a course that isn't crazy long, it has both a high rating and a very high slope. It also has a lot of holes where a right-to-left shot works particularly well off pretty much every tee.


Pawleys Plantation being a late-80s Nicklaus affair, the small, narrow, angled greens have honed my scrambling abilities over the years, to the point where I was (and still am) much better at grinding out pars than making birdies. If you've played the course, you know how relentlessly difficult it can be, and it absolutely toughened me as a golfer.


As a result, I still have much better prospects in competition on courses where even par is good than courses where lots of low scores will be returned.


Pawleys Plantation is not a "great" golf course, but I value greatly the effect it had on my golf game, and I'm damned lucky to have had the opportunity to play it so many times in my life.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2017, 06:56:10 PM »
I've borrowed from many courses I've seen, but the ones that have defined my life in golf are probably these:


Sterling Farms, Stamford, CT.  If there hadn't been an affordable public course a mile from my parents' home in CT, I would probably never have become a golfer.


Harbour Town, SC.  It was the third course I ever saw, and had gone straight into the GOLF DIGEST top 10 (!) when it opened.  Charles Price's small guide book for the course was my real introduction to golf design strategy.


Cypress Point, CA.  My dad's former boss was a member, and when I was 15, he set up for us to play.  That was when I realized how beautiful a golf course could be, and became captivated by the idea of building something that beautiful myself someday.


Long Cove, SC.  The first construction job I ever worked on.  I still can't believe how much Mr. Dye actually talked to me out there in the dirt.


The Old Course at St. Andrews.  Caddying here for those two months at the start of my year overseas was my Master's degree.


Crystal Downs, MI.  Hanging around here not only led to me getting my first solo design job, but the more I played the course, the more convinced I became that difficult greens were the key to building a great course.  [EDIT:  I didn't say this as well as I should have.  What I meant was that getting to know Crystal Downs well made me unafraid to build difficult greens.  You can have a great course without difficult greens ... but there really aren't that many of them.]


High Pointe, MI.  Proved that I could build an interesting course shaping all the greens myself, and on a modest budget.


Pacific Dunes, OR.  Put our reputation in a different stratosphere, leading to all the opportunities that have come since.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 11:30:15 AM by Tom_Doak »

Bill Raffo

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2017, 10:04:26 AM »
Good place to start for my first post. Just wanted to say first how much I've enjoyed this site over the years before getting the invite to actually post here from Ran after his review of my home course, Wykagyl.


Packanack Golf Club
A little nine holer that back in the 80's, a parent could write a check for $150 a season and never worry about where their child was, all summer.  If every community had a course like this, golf would flourish.  Very tight, with soft turf conditions and water on half the holes, you learned how to control the ball or you didn't score well. Not to mention the probative cost of balls for a kid playing around all the water. That was a problem until we started sneaking into the ponds at night and it turned into a little business. I can still smell the mud!


North Berwick
After taking the game up again in my forties, I put a lot of time into getting better and on my first trip to Scotland, it finally came together.  The golf Gods over there somehow got me to focus on my club head position at the top and was finally able to link that to the impact position below.  Shot a 75 on my first go round on that magical little course (Alright, it was a calm day) and the double digit handicap was gone for good. My group makes a trip there every year, never deviating on: Gullane 1 to start, Muirfield on day two, two rounds on NB day three, Dunbar followed by alternate shot, beer and buggies on the Glenn, to close out the weekend. To quote Peter Alliss, "Majestic."


Wykagyl
After being a member at another NY area course where driver, high irons was 90% of the puzzle, at Wykagyl the 200-220 club is nearly as important as the high irons. The wind and false fronts on all the raised green complexes require distance control and good decision making as missed greens into the deep bunkers and up hill pitch shots out of heavy rough, make getting up and down difficult.  A lot of width off the tee although the odds of GIR's deteriorate significantly with the declining quality of the angles but you almost always feel like you have a chance. As fun a golf course as I've ever played and the kind of place where you can always get a game with people you want to be out there with.
 

jeffwarne

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2017, 10:22:10 AM »
Good place to start for my first post. Just wanted to say first how much I've enjoyed this site over the years before getting the invite to actually post here from Ran after his review of my home course, Wykagyl.



North Berwick
After taking the game up again in my forties, I put a lot of time into getting better and on my first trip to Scotland, it finally came together.  The golf Gods over there somehow got me to focus on my club head position at the top and was finally able to link that to the impact position below.  Shot a 75 on my first go round on that magical little course (Alright, it was a calm day) and the double digit handicap was gone for good. My group makes a trip there every year, never deviating on: Gullane 1 to start, Muirfield on day two, two rounds on NB day three, Dunbar followed by alternate shot, beer and buggies on the Glenn, to close out the weekend. To quote Peter Alliss, "Majestic."





Now that's a great first post!
I've only taken a buggy once overseas (Cashen course-at the comped insistence of the pro due to a couple of tempoaries causing long walks)
But the Glen in such a rotation under such a format would make sense




like Wykagyl as well
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 11:09:21 AM by jeffwarne »
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Bill Raffo

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2017, 10:54:12 AM »
Thanks, Jeff. And if any GCA'ers want to play a round at Wykagyl I'd be happy to bring you out or arrange something.  Just email me and I'll be in touch come spring.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 09:03:05 AM by Bill Raffo »

MCirba

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2017, 11:20:22 AM »
Ed Homsey,

Can you describe some of the architectural deterioration of Durand-Eastman GC that you mentioned in your post?

It's on my upstate NY list given the pedigree and interesting history, along with the fact that I get to Corning regularly and a day trip up to Rochester is very easy to do.
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Ed Homsey

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2017, 01:07:59 PM »
Mike--When I played the Durand-Eastman course in the '60s, there were 10 holes on the "front" section of the course, with #11, across the road, starting the back section.  The 2nd hole was a very challenging medium length par four that provided two options of play; one on the left side of the ditch/creek, and the other to the right side of the ditch, requiring a rather difficult angle to the green.  The green was protected by a couple of bunkers and a couple of well-placed trees.  The left side option has been eliminated, as have the bunkers and trees.  It is still a nice hole, but not quite as interesting.  The fourth hole was a jewell of a short par-3, requiring a tee shot from an elevated tee, across a ravine to a shallow green set against a ridge.  That hole was eliminated and merged with the next hole to make an awkward par 5.  (I believe the rationale was to create 9 holes for the front section of the course.  The green for this new par 5 is in the same location as the original, with the original tier removed.  The next hole (the original 6th) was another jewel of a medium length par 3, with the rather narrow, 3-tiered green set up against a morraine, with very interesting contoured surrounds.  For a period of time, they abandoned that hole and built another vanilla par 3 that shortened the walk from the 5th to the 6th tee.  At present, I believe they alternate between the two par 3 settings, and the original 3-tiered green has been essentially flattened.  Thankfully, the medium length original 7th (now the 6th), remains untouched.  It has one of the most interesting greens on the property.  The original 8th green has been softened, but is very similar.  On the original 9th, a 190 yard par 3, I believe the green remains as was, but they've planted an obnoxious row of trees down the left side of the hole.  I presume to provide some separation from the next hole--but it was never needed in the old days.  From the current 9th to the current 15th, there are no obvious changes that I can think of.  To create another hole on the "back", they built a  180 yard par 3 that is actually a pretty decent hole.  A lot of visual distractions from the tee, and with the elevated green, you have to hit the green.  That is followed by another beautiful short par-3 from an highly elevated tee and Lake Ontario as a backdrop.  I believe that the hole retains the original green, with its rather interesting and challenging contours.  The 18th hole is a wicked closing hole through a tightly forested corridor that leaves no room for error.  It's a long par 4 (actually, I think they have it as a par 5, currently) to a green that is approximately 20 feet above the fairway, sitting on a shelf.


Recent changes in management of the course has resulted in better conditioning.  And, if you didn't know what the course was like, at one time, it still offers a very interesting, challenging, and enjoyable round of golf in a beautiful setting.  Walk it, if you can.  Not an easy walk, but much more enjoyable, as I recall.  The website presents further info about the evolution of the course:


  http://www.durandeastmangolfclub.org/scorecard.html


I would welcome the opportunity to meet you, should you come to town.  Let me know.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 01:11:44 PM by Ed Homsey »

Ed Homsey

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2017, 01:35:03 PM »
Mike--I just clicked on the "history" link in the Durand-Eastman website.  It contains a GCA thread from 2012 that contains some interesting info that Jim Kennedy and others provided.

MCirba

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2017, 01:54:16 PM »
Ed,

Thanks for that terrific information.

I will certainly let you know when I am in town and it would be my pleasure, I'm certain.
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Philip Gawith

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2017, 02:41:23 PM »
For me these courses would be:


River Club - Johannesburg: the course I played most golf in growing up as a child, reckoned by many to have best closing 5 holes in South Africa.


Hermanus, Cape, South Africa - first introduction to seaside golf, scene of most of my childhood summer holiday golf. Winning a better ball competition there aged 18 - which involved a miraculous constellation of events to beat highly contested field with normal smattering of holiday bandits (think 48 stableford type of score).


Huntercombe - the course that introduced me to English golf, coincided with GCA awakening and serves as an ongoing reminder of the basic ingredients of a good golf course.


Royal Dornoch and Brora - playing multiple rounds at these courses over 20 years  with substantially the same group of eight is probably my central golfing experience!


There have been many other jewels along the way, but these are the defining courses.


Philip

Pat Burke

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2017, 03:19:00 PM »
Deal GCC New Jersey
     Dad was head pro, mom was an assistant.  Worked all areas, bag room, caddy, range, golf course.  Learned to play a tight, small green course where staying play and hitting small targets led me to being a pretty good ball striker who played a bit too conservative


Forest Park CC. Adams, MA
     Grandfather ran this nine holes as head pro in the summers.  As a child, I would visit for a week, and was in heaven playing endless holes with no time restraints on junior golfers during the week.  A quirky place totally different from Deal, holes 3/4, 6/8,7/8, all crossed each other.  Blue collar, working class club that I loved.


NSW, Kingston Heath, Royal Melbourne
  I lump them together because I went to Australia in 1987 and learned that as spoiled as I was growing up playing around the New York area, there was a huge world out there, and the Australian course were a revelation in design, and maintenance.  S till believe I was meant to be in Australia. The golf, the people everything had a huge impact on me


Cresta Verde GC  Corona, Ca
   Helped run a non profit foundation for kids on an absolute dump of a course.  Introduced kids to the game for free, but had amazing impact on numerous kids and their families by simply reaching out and helping.  Learned the game can be a conduit to really helping kids if you can find a way, even on ancrappy little course.

Anton

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2017, 01:43:18 PM »

Famous tracks
Atlantic City CC - the history and the 'fun factor' of the course captivated me and still does.
ANGC - no explanation needed.
Bandon Dunes - played it as a preview round in 1999 and looking forward to heading back this year to see what has been added since then.  :)
Bethpage Black - the first brute test I ever faced.  The rough conditions back when I first played it did not deter my love for the place nor diminish its beauty.
Pine Valley - the 'Disney World' effect of driving through the gate gets me every time. 
Saucon Valley - the best multi-course club and I love every experience there.  The courses are all similar but play decidedly different.  Just a joy to be associated with. 


The local public tracks of my youth cannot be beat though when it comes to defining my golfing passion.  Being dropped off at a course at 7:00 am as a kid and then picked up at dark is immeasurable.  Walking 72+ holes, role-playing being a pro in a major, and picturing re-designs of the course in front of you are awesome memories. 


I've enjoyed this thread.  Thanks guys!



“I've spent most of my life golfing - the rest I've just wasted”

Mark Jackson

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2017, 04:39:59 PM »
I have really enjoyed reading everyone's stories about the courses that are personal to them. Here are my selections:
- Kittyhawk Golf Center, Dayton, OH (Hawk Course) – I started playing golf when I was 14-years-old. My grandfather retired after working 30 years as an engineer at NCR Corporation in Dayton, OH. While an employee of NCR, he was a member at NCR Country Club and loved to play golf. Frankly, I think he was too cheap to maintain his membership at NCR and pay the monthly dues, so when he retired, he gave up the membership and opted to play the public courses around the Dayton area instead. The summer following his retirement (when I was fourteen), he began to teach me to play golf. I was hooked immediately. Grandpa's preferred course was the Hawk course at Kittyhawk Golf Center on the north side of Dayton (a muni course owned by the City of Dayton). Grandpa loved playing Kittyhawk because he always walked when he played and the course was dead flat. Twice per week during the summers, we would play Kittyhawk. Notably, the course is located across the street from a Cargill plant, which emits a certain smell over the golf course - I will never forget that smell.
- Community Golf Course, Dayton, OH - Dales Course (i.e. "the inside") - The City of Dayton owns three golf facilities. The aforementioned Kittyhawk, plus Community Golf Course and Madden Golf Course. Community was located about 10 minutes from my house. My grandfather refused to play Community because it was "too hilly." Nevertheless, due to my newly-discovered obsession with golf, I wanted to play nearly every day that I could. On days when my grandfather did not want to play, my mom would drop me off at Community Golf Course in the morning, where the junior green fee was $6 for 18 holes, and I would be paired-up as a single with whoever had an opening in their group. I played hundreds of rounds at Community and met some very interesting individuals from all walks of life while playing.
- Beavercreek Golf Club – In the mid-90’s, amidst the golf boom, the City where I grew-up in the Dayton area (Beavercreek, OH) decided it was a good idea to get in on the action and build a city-owned facility. Fuzzy Zoeller was selected as the “Signature” architect, although I believe Brian Huntley was the actual brains behind the course’s creation. As a teenager, this was very interesting to watch a golf course get shaped from nothing as well as the grow-in process. The course opened when I was 16 and I took my first job there as a cart boy. I worked there for two-and-a-half years before I left for college. An added perk was that the pro at the course would allow the staff to play anytime there was an opening on the tee sheet.
- Fowler’s Mill Golf Course, Cleveland, OH – After attending college, I was completely burned-out with playing and practicing golf. I had lost almost complete interest in the game and barely touched a club during the subsequent three years while attending law school. During the summer that I was studying for the bar exam, an attorney from the law firm that I clerked at during law school invited me to play in an outing at Fowler’s Mill. That round was the “ah-ha” moment for me for developing an interest in golf architecture and, with it, renewed my interest in the game. I had played some of the great courses in the world prior to that round, but rarely were my thoughts beyond the desire of posting a good score. With that round, my outlook on the game changed. I play for enjoyment now and became inquisitive about golf architecture. I have been fortunate to have played some of the greats since that round more than ten years ago, but that round was the start of my desire to dive deeper into the golf courses of the world, their history and design.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2017, 05:07:41 PM »

Like Dave Schmidt, mine is Medinah. Neighbors were members and snuck me on at age 12 for my first rounds.  Played 3 holes on No. 2 the first time out.   Anyway, I fell in love with golf that first day, and went home and told my folks I was going to be a golf architect. 


Second time out (in March, 1967) it snowed and rained, but we kept going to play all 54. The old pro, John Marshall, sat in a golf cart as we came on the tee and when putting out, presented us each with a guest bill for $142, which translates to 1,026 today. Imagine taking that home to Dad at age 12!


I guess Lake Arrowhead would be my professional course as an associate - moved up to Nekoosa, WI and built it with an irrigation foreman, one drunk shaper and a bunch of high school kids on break, mostly entitled kids from people who had bought property in the original development.


My aha courses might have been Pinehurst (played in 1979 while living in Lynchburg, VA and building another course), my first trip to Scotland in 1981 (hard to pick just one) and my Australia trip in 1994 to play Mac courses.


My first design, Brookstone near Atlanta, and some of my best designs, like Quarry at Giants Ridge would be up there, too.


And then, of course, there is the next design, which I expect to define me even more!
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Mac Plumart

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2017, 08:33:13 PM »
These are the courses I've played the most, hence they've had the most impact on my golfing life.


Rivermont
The Golf Club
Dismal River (White and Red)
East Lake
St. Ives


Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

jeffwarne

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2017, 08:50:13 PM »


Second time out (in March, 1967) it snowed and rained, but we kept going to play all 54. The old pro, John Marshall, sat in a golf cart as we came on the tee and when putting out, presented us each with a guest bill for $142, which translates to 1,026 today. Imagine taking that home to Dad at age 12!



Wow! Don't leave us hanging details!
How'd that come about and what happened when you went home?
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Dave McCollum

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2017, 10:25:19 PM »
I’m thinking this should be about golf and not about me, but, of course, I tried and that is impossible.  I had a very long courtship with the game before falling in love.  This evolution may not be interesting but drifting off in these thoughts seemed to be therapeutic for me, if no one else.  It was a page or so.  This time through I picked off a few sentences and left the rest, mostly personal history where I was when it happened. 

Blue Lakes CC.  Located in the rugged Snake River Canyon in south central Idaho.  9-holer in those days, hacked out of rugged rock, blow sand, bubbling springs, rapids, and cold, clear lakes.  The course occupies the first homestead in the region, the Blue Lakes Ranch, an oasis in the then barren high desert (late 1880’s).  As kids we didn’t play much golf (too many other sports).  However, during summer we spent countless days roaming the canyons around the course, often camping there for days at a time, living off the land.  Apparently our parents were comfortable dropping us off, knowing that if we got hurt, in trouble, or too hungry that we could just make our way back to the clubhouse, get a hamburger, get help, or bum a ride home.  So, it was a Huck Finn like adventure that evolved for a dozen summers under the protection of this benign entity, a golf course.  I guess we learned how to smack a golf ball at some point, but that was so far down the list of why we wanted to be there, it escapes memory.  First and foremost, golf indirectly nurtured a life-long love of nature and wild places.

Canyon Springs GC.  About the time I was in High School my father started buying up the land on the other side of the river directly across from BLCC.  He did this piece by piece, no doubt helping the owners of the old homestead transition from operating a shabby, run down fruit orchard to a new life (father and son became greenkeepers.)  This greatly expanded our free range territory and diversified our food sources beyond hunting and fishing.  Yet, by then we could drive, were busy with girls, school, those other sports, and the mysteries of adolescence.  The canyon was still an important escape.  We just had less time for it.

Off to college and inventing careers.  In my mid-twenties, my father announced he was building a golf course.  My wife and I were heading to grad school in LA.  However, we had a little more than a year with nothing better to do, so I said I would help.  Sold our house in Oregon and moved back to a farm house in the canyon that I loved and helped build a golf course.  Still didn’t play golf, yet had to learn quite a lot about how to construct the playing fields. 

So, off to life in the city for the next 18+ years.  I’d play semi-annual rounds of golf on visits home to see how the course was evolving.  Maybe every year or so, I’d play with someone visiting SoCal wishing to escape winter somewhere.  Wasn’t a golfer.  Had some sticks, could knock it around, badly, that’s it.

Moved back to the mountains of Idaho to raise some kids and help run some family businesses because my folks were retired and snowbirds for half the year.  This included the golf course.  I think I oversaw its operation for something like six years before it occurred to me to play.  Only then, after 40 years around golf and golf courses, was I infected with the disease.   Should have known better, but love is blind. In a slight twist in how most found their way here, I helped build and design golf holes before really learning how to play (not recommended).  Getting interested in architecture was both an occupational necessity and the product of a life-long emotional and visual love for the landscape of golf.  Oh, and I liked to read about golf and GCA.     

Starting so late in life, I was never much of a player.  I am grateful that I reached the peak of my modest competency as a golfer and that coincided with trips to GB&I and being introduced to great links courses.  Now, as my skills decline, I’m back where it all started. It all makes sense to me and I wouldn’t change much if I could about how I got here.  The exception would be that I could just while my remaining time away helping golfers to enjoy the golf for whatever reasons they fell in love with the game.  The business of golf makes this difficult and turns such fantasies toward the cynical.  That’s a shame given the great things I’ve learned from friends I’ve shared it all with along the way. 

I think I just made the original piece longer.  Best to stop here.  Golf is a passion, an obsession that makes no sense to the uninfected, and above all, a path to connect to people in a meaningful way that we might never appreciate elsewhere.  A small wonder, hardly unique, perhaps boring or mundane, yet it has a soul that may be as transcendent as witchcraft. 

Go ahead and tell me I’m full of shit.         

Dave

Steve Lang

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2017, 11:17:23 PM »
Ottawa Park, Toledo (1961) & Old Orchard Schoolyard (1962-70) _ Free range 9 year old sees and watches golfers out southern apartment window, borrows Mom’s 7 iron and putter from storage locker, finds some golf balls and the perfect three hole loop on 6, 7, & 5, a one, two and three shotter across Kenwood Blvd. and later learns the meaning of being grounded.  Memories of play for fifty cents before 10 AM , meeting other kids from the north, east, & south flanks at the pro shop, and Dudley’s at the 11th hole, playing our way home to the west, avoiding the marshals.  OO schoolyard became best friend Bud’s & my favored playing field and evening transit golf path to and from Ottawa, aka The Country Club, past the back of wright’s greenhouse and across the tracks. OO home of the greatest par 15 in golf from the teeing ground at the corners of Cheltenham & Pelham Roads. 


Southern Pines CC _“The Elks Club” (March 1980) _ First Ross play in the Sandhills of Moore County, NC, which became the Sunday start off tradition for yearly springtime weeklong buddy trips from NW Ohio over a 27 year period, i think 22 times.  Always wondered if the Cardinal 9 down the street from the pool was a full scale testing ground for designs.


Wilderness Valley-Black Forest (1991-2) / High Pointe (1988-9) _ The first courses I ever saw being built and have played all their years, unfortunately the latter is NLE, growing hops on the fronting acreage for different kinds of rounds.


The Old Course / Ganton _ One beautiful week in September 1996, a Sunday touring and a Monday playing TOC with Ms Sheila, the ultimate seaside links, being helped by two caddies who’s players (from NYC & NJ) couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn or railway shed for that matter, being called Laddy, eating it all up and playing well, except 3 putting the two par 5’s for pars. Truly experiencing the ground game.  Thursday traveling from Broadway on the edge of the Cotswolds back north to York to be kicked up by "Dr. Allister” whom I had hosted several times at The WCC, to play Ganton, his home course, a truly great “inland links"; lingering in the little clubhouse too long and just missing my departing train, like being in the movies watching it pull away, and having to stay overnight in York… quel dommage!


Banff & Jasper Parks (July 2004) _ GCA trip.. Stanley Thompson deluxe, need I say anything more,... other than meeting Ran's family plus Ben Dewar in one of his coat & brilliant tie ensembles, playing the original Banff routing, driving with an Adam Clayman autographed Rawlings balata and hickory driver from old #1 and finally giving that Bad Baby at Jasper a proper spanking?


Ballyneal (2009)_ First exposure to a head-scratching, how is this great destination golf economic development going to work out?


Reddish Vale (May 2016) Dr. Mackensie's excellent adventure at Stockport, UK and my classic afternoon with Duncan; 3 months into a restart in golf after R-C repair, and as said before, barely surviving the climb at 18.
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JJShanley

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2017, 11:24:44 PM »
These are the courses I've played the most, hence they've had the most impact on my golfing life.


Rivermont
The Golf Club
Dismal River (White and Red)
East Lake
St. Ives


The one in Michigan?