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Adam Lawrence

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UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« on: September 20, 2016, 02:42:21 PM »
Does anyone know who the editor of this periodical was?
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Dan Moore

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 05:39:36 PM »
John Kerr in The Golf Book of East Lothian says it was AJ Robertson.  Makes sense since Robertson wrote an editorial in issue 1 stating why the magazine was started. 
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BCrosby

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 08:32:32 AM »
Dan -


I think that is right. AJ Robertson was editor of Golf/GI from 1890 through the mid-1890's. (He and HGH went on to write for Country Life and other places, though AJ's writing output seemed to decline fairly quickly.)


Garden Smith took over in the late 1890's and remained editor until his death about 1910 or so. I think, but am not sure, that Harold Hilton took over from Smith. Publication ceased during WWI, resuming in 1919. At some point thereafter Henry Leach became the editor.


Bob   




Niall C

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 11:14:37 AM »
Bob


I've got a vague memory that Hilton started at some other publication before taking over from Smith. Also I think GI was still publishing in late 1915 but not sure off hand when it started up again after the war.


Niall

BCrosby

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 11:59:16 AM »
Niall -

Hilton wrote a golf column for The Sporting Chronicle (NLE) beginning in 1901. Starting at about the same time HGH did a golf column for the Westminster Gazette (NLE) and Low did one for The Athletic News (NLE). Interestingly, by the time Darwin started writing for the Times as its 'golf correspondent' in 1908, there was already a considerable amount of excellent golf writing that had preceded him. Some of that earlier writing, while taking a different approach and written in a different style, was every bit as good as Darwin. That writing is unfortunately very difficult to access, unlike Darwin's essays.   

I'm not sure when GI ceased publication at the outset of WWI. It could have been early 1915. You get a glimpse of the horrible toll of the war by tracking the amateur and pro golfers who died in it.

Bob

BCrosby

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 12:20:58 PM »
Niall -

I forgot to mention that The Field had a regular column on golf that pre-dated Golf/GI. It began about 1880. ACM Croome wrote the column sometime after 1900. I don't know who edited/wrote it earlier.

The Field became an important place for golf articles even though it  was not a golf magazine per se. Important R&A rules meetings were often conducted in its offices in London. Colt, Simpson, Fowler, Ambrose, Crane, Abercrombie, MacK and others did pieces for The Field in the 1920's. The magazine seemed to drop its golf column sometime during the Great Depression, which was when virtually all golf magazines closed up shop.

Bob

Niall C

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 01:19:18 PM »
Bob


I'm not sure that the Field column pre-1900 was all that regular, or at least it wasn't for the periods that I went looking.


Unfortunately I've never managed to get a source for access to Athletic News but Low's column was frequently quoted in other publications which I think says something about the value of his comment as well as his standing in the game.


Going back to Hilton, was he not an editor of another golf mag before taking over at GI ? Need to check.


Niall

BCrosby

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 01:38:20 PM »
Niall -


I don't know of any other periodical that covered golf on a regular basis before The Field starting doing so about 1880. I too am uncertain how regular 'regular' was, but articles on golf seem to have appeared frequently. If you dig into it, let me know what you find.

The Low pieces for The Athletic News that I have read are remarkably good. (I have been able to access only a fraction of them.)

Low also wrote for The Pall Mall Gazette at about the same time. His articles in TPMG are harder to find since they were unsigned and, as far as I can tell, did not appear on a predictable schedule. Low's prose style, however, is hard to miss.

Bob   
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Peter Pallotta

Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2016, 07:46:12 PM »
Adam - I was searching for something else and came across this snippet and remembered this thread. The following doesn't add much to what others have already posted, but if read to the end I've included a 'letter to the editor' from Old Tom Morris:

Mr. A. J. Robertson resigned his duties as Editor of Golf, and said some words of farewell to his readers and contributors in the issue of July 1, 1898.  Every golfer knows how much the literature of the game is indebted to Mr. Robertson, and how much he has done and still does for its intelligent appreciation, with his clever and facile pen. The new Editor, Mr. Garden G. Smith, who happily succeeded him, made his bow in the next number, and in it (No. 417, Vol. XVI., July 8, 1898), Mr. D. D. Whigham, Prestwick, has the following letter: "In your very kindly notice of my old golfing friend, Bob Andrews, of Perth, in your last issue, in the terms of which I most cordially concur, you say inter alia that at the Prestwick meeting of 1863 a match was played between Mr. D. D. Whigham and Tom Morris (getting a third), against Bob Andrews and Andrew Strath, and that the latter two won by 2 holes. May I, as the only consolation I have in old age, correct your informant. The match was played at the odds mentioned, and Tom and I won by 5 or 6 holes. So elated were we by the victory that we challenged the two to play us level the following day. The match was played, and we won again, and to this day 'Old Tom ' has often a pleasant joke with me as to the days 'when you and I beat the two professionals.' Charlie Hunter well remembers the match, and with him and Old Tom and myself as witnesses I am sure you will give us credit for facts. That was in 1863, and now, when muscles and nerves are apt to fail, it is the only resource we have as old golfers to think back upon what once could be done." 

....And this may be a suitable opportunity to give Tom's ideas on the subject of the laying-out of links as embodied in a letter to the Editor of Golf, written at the end of a gelling season some years ago: 

SIR, I see in your last issue that a gentleman (by name Mr Stevens) is anxious to get a little information regarding laying out a golf links. I hope you will allow me space in your valuable golfing paper to answer his questions as far as possible. 

1. As to the length and breadth of links. If you have so many miles of ground, you can put holes down at, say, from 100 to 550 yards, varying them accordingly. The breadth may be from 50 to 100 yards.

 2. Regarding the probable cost of preparing it. If the putting-greens had to be laid out it would require £5 for each green. Then, if the course had to be cleared of gorse bushes or whins, it would likely cost about £200.

 3. Regarding the third question, the best way to form a Club would be to get as many of your friends together as possible and form a Club; then advertise that such a Club had been instituted. As to subscriptions, the scale of Club entry money runs from 2s. 6d. to £10.

 4. There is no necessity to have trees on a golf course; large sand-pits dug in the course, called bunkers, or a whin or two to serve as a hazard to all players.

 5. With reference to the last inquiry, it would entirely depend upon what the rental of the ground was and whether it was depriving the landlord or tenant of any privilege which he may have let.

I may state in conclusion that if the putting-greens require to be laid with turf this is the best time of year to lay them. But you can safely lay turf at any time of the year, provided the ground is moist to let the turf get a hold. 

I am, Yours, etc., TOM MORRIS.



BCrosby

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2016, 09:02:58 AM »
Peter -


OTM experts note that the OTM letter quoted above is the only thing OTM ever wrote about golf course design.


Bob

Peter Pallotta

Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2016, 09:17:21 AM »
Thanks, Bob - that's fascinating. I'd never seen that letter before, and it struck me as "bare bones" anyway; but to learn that it is the only thing he ever wrote is to get a glimpse into how simple and straightforward he must've thought the craft of gca to be, and/or how much of that craft was for Old Tom intuitive and instinctual and so not easily share-able.

Peter   

Niall C

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2016, 12:46:01 PM »
Bob

If I recall in the same issue one of the Park's or the Dunn's, can't remember which, also responded to the writer giving an overview on how to go about building a course. Along the same lines but perhaps a bit more detailed. The interesting thing though is the do it yourself ethos.

Peter

Yes, its fairly basic stuff but what else do you really need ? I can't recall what percentage of clubs in Scotland date to pre-1900 but I think it a significant number. I'd imagine that most of their original courses were laid out in this fashion or similar.

Niall

BCrosby

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Re: UK 'Golf' magazine, 1890s, became 'Golf Illustrated' in 1899
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2016, 02:43:45 PM »
Bob

If I recall in the same issue one of the Park's or the Dunn's, can't remember which, also responded to the writer giving an overview on how to go about building a course. Along the same lines but perhaps a bit more detailed. The interesting thing though is the do it yourself ethos.

Niall


Niall - Correct. I think it was one of the Dunns, who went into a bit more detail than OTM, but not much. The context was that a reader had inquired about how to build a golf course. The editor noted he should contact a "professional". (NB, he did not say an "architect".) The letters from OTM and Dunn were the follow-up responses published by the magazine.


Bob