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Jay Mickle

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Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« on: July 25, 2016, 08:34:50 PM »
 The old game has morphed from gentlemen in knickers and a single-breasted tweed jackets with a waist coats walking the links to: http://vid1068.photobucket.com/albums/u459/jaysanvil/Ran%20on%20board_zpskio5bgig.mp4


Mid Pines leased 4 of these golf boards as a trial. On a Sunday morning last month I rented one and rode for 9 then turned it over to the brothers Morrissett.  Judging from Ran’s grin on this downhill slalom on #15 at Mid Pines I fear for the future of golf course architecture where half pipes, double salchows and triple loops will reign.


As an inveterate walker I am unlikely to take a board again but I could see certain advantages over the more mundane carts. You do get to get an appreciation of the terrain as you ride over it far better than in a cart. There is some physicality to riding. The constant shifting weight does work the core and calves a bit. No cart paths are necessary as these are ridden almost anywhere that you can walk including tee boxes. This is especially nice when you don’t have to pull assorted clubs from your cart bag to carry to an approach shot around the green. On hot days the breeze is a real plus. The only real negative was the lack of a 100 watt blue tooth speaker system.

Carts were a golf revolution, what about golf boards?

 
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Mike_Young

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 09:49:38 PM »
might want to ask the insurance company about renting a board to a member before you start ..I know one golf specific policy will not accept them..
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Jay Mickle

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 09:56:56 PM »
Rental was 2x the cart fee. I was told that the upcharge covered insurance. While not hard to get the hang of, I wholly understand the premium.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 10:02:50 PM »
Rental was 2x the cart fee. I was told that the upcharge covered insurance. While not hard to get the hang of, I wholly understand the premium.


2x the cart fee equals half the caddie fee.

Steve Lapper

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2016, 06:54:43 AM »
might want to ask the insurance company about renting a board to a member before you start ..I know one golf specific policy will not accept them..


Yes, plenty of existing golf course/club operation insurance provides insufficient coverage and leaves management/ownership with unacceptable liability. This is changing, however, as several resorts are slowly integrating them and providing a basis for re-evaluation of risk. I suspect, over time, these boards will find great adaptation.


They are, despite the apparently spastic form of Golf's Most Beloved, a really fun and new dimension worthy of trying. Might not be everyone's cup-of-tea, but Golf Board's will unequivocally convince some measure of otherwise disaffected millennials that Golf can be a cool game.
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2016, 06:57:12 AM »

[size=78%]Might not be everyone's cup-of-tea, but Golf Board's will unequivocally convince some measure of otherwise disaffected millennials that Golf can be a cool game.[/size]


See, I'm just not so sure about that. If kids want to skate, they'll skate. What would be the point of going to play golf if you didn't like it, just because you could skate around the course?
Adam Lawrence

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Steve Lapper

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2016, 07:13:07 AM »

[size=78%]Might not be everyone's cup-of-tea, but Golf Board's will unequivocally convince some measure of otherwise disaffected millennials that Golf can be a cool game.[/size]


See, I'm just not so sure about that. If kids want to skate, they'll skate. What would be the point of going to play golf if you didn't like it, just because you could skate around the course?


Adam,


   A simple piece of anecdotal evidence for you: Just this spring, my 25yr old nephew who barely, if at all, plays the game asked me where could he and several of his buddies "find these golf-skate boards to try out." They had seen them on the web and though they were "cool?" I gave them a couple of suggestions and since the, they've made several day trips out to golf board-available public courses. Some have even begun hitting balls and taking lessons in NYC to get better at the golf side.


  I understand they aren't for everyone and the Melvyns of the world will consider their very existence satanical heresy, but they are fun, they do add another dimension to the experience and they do find near immediate appeal to the younger generation. They permit players to feel like they are land-surfing the property. It is us old-farts that must understand they have validity and some place in the lexicon of navigating a golf course. Remember, change is a physical constant and to resist it is always somewhat futile.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2016, 07:15:04 AM by Steve Lapper »
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2016, 07:19:59 AM »
I don't have any objection to golf boards. I just think that golf needs to figure out how to get people to like golf, not golf-related transport.
Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
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Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Craig Disher

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 07:21:44 AM »
Wouldn't the anticipation of hopping on the board again take attention away from the reason you're on the course in the first place? It reminds me of the young boy I saw who was in tears when his dad told him they had to walk (wet turf) rather than take a cart.

jeffwarne

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2016, 07:25:10 AM »
They cost 2x a cart which is 4x more per rider.
Tough hurdle for operators.


A fleet/steady diet of them will of course cause turf wear, the same as a trolley can(witness the long trolley walk arounds at busy places like Ballybunion) so I wouldn't hold your breath that they can go "anywhere"
5 a day? no problem.


I've demoed one but our terrain is too difficult between holes to feel comfortable/safe for most riders
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Steve Lapper

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 07:26:27 AM »
Wouldn't the anticipation of hopping on the board again take attention away from the reason you're on the course in the first place? It reminds me of the young boy I saw who was in tears when his dad told him they had to walk (wet turf) rather than take a cart.


Just the opposite really. For us, it might be the golf. For the millennials, it's the fun of hanging with friends, taking some swings and land-surfing.


If this tool helps just one person like the game who might otherwise have never tried it, it'll be success in my estimation. It beats 16 inch holes and foot golf IMO.
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Steve Lapper

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 07:35:02 AM »
They cost 2x a cart which is 4x more per rider.
Tough hurdle for operators.


A fleet/steady diet of them will of course cause turf wear, the same as a trolley can(witness the long trolley walk arounds at busy places like Ballybunion) so I wouldn't hold your breath that they can go "anywhere"
5 a day? no problem.


I've demoed one but our terrain is too difficult between holes to feel comfortable/safe for most riders



Jeff,


  The costs are certainly prohibitive and IMO, the other major impediment to their adaptation.


   I disagree with you on turf wear as their low-pressure wide tires are low impact and the device weight is starting to come down. If anything, I'd argue that with the exception of some, more fragile (i.e.vulnerable high-root bent grass or super-fine fescue), grasses, the distribution of the player's weight and the alleviation of lengthier walks with cleated or nubbed shoes produces a healthier long-term effect on most grasses. We ran them in concentric circles across a poa annua green and our Super thought they had no meaningful impact whatsoever. I wouldn't recommend running them across any greens, but they really don't leave much, if any, of a substantial footprint.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2016, 07:52:18 AM by Steve Lapper »
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jeffwarne

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 07:45:35 AM »
They cost 2x a cart which is 4x more per rider.
Tough hurdle for operators.


A fleet/steady diet of them will of course cause turf wear, the same as a trolley can(witness the long trolley walk arounds at busy places like Ballybunion) so I wouldn't hold your breath that they can go "anywhere"
5 a day? no problem.


I've demoed one but our terrain is too difficult between holes to feel comfortable/safe for most riders



Jeff,


  The costs are certainly prohibitive and IMO, the other major impediment to their adaptation.


   I disagree with you on turf wear as their low-pressure wide tires are low impact and the device weight is starting to come down. If anything, I'd argue that with the exception of some, more fragile (i.e.vulnerable high-root bent grass or super-fine fescue), grasses, the distribution of the player's weight and the alleviation of lengthier walks with cleated or numbed shoes produces a healthier long-term effect on most grasses. We ran them in concentric circles across a poa annua green and our Super thought they had no meaningful impact whatsoever. I wouldn't recommend running them across any greens, but they really don't leave much, if any, of a substantial footprint.


Steve.
I seen all the demos, and got the same opinion from our super that you did.


That said, I see the wear around greens and tees at popular courses in the UK.
No way they weigh less than a trolley.
No worries unless they are heavily used but one cannot deny the traffic marks and little white fences strewn on narrow passages around greens at Uk courses-as wellas the artficially surfaced paths and walkarounds at many popular links courses.
I've also seen the marks golf boards leave on turf-there is weight there-the same as concentrated foot traffic can cause a problem to a smaller degree.
Also remember that there would be 4 in a group, not 2.


As an alternative to carts? yes.
OK to park at edge of green and tee?--not so much if widely adopted
Again a few do nothing-a lot will.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Thomas Dai

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2016, 07:51:33 AM »
Another reason for old fuddy-duddies like me (sic) to give up the game we've played and loved since childhood.



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Josh Tarble

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2016, 08:56:06 AM »
I played a round with one a couple weeks ago at a local course.  I think I'm their exact target market...I'm 30, grew up skateboarding, snowboard every winter, etc. 

And my opinion is that they are fine.  I enjoyed it only slightly more than riding in a cart and much less so than walking.  Our group found it hard to carry on conversations.  While it was fun to ride around, it wasn't fun enough to make up for the fact that we didn't talk much the entire round.

I will also say they make for an incredibly fast round.  I would probably only take them if I was first off or had 0 people in front of us.  I think we played the front 9 in about an 1 hour and 15 minutes as a foursome before catching the group in front of us on the back side. 

I'd probably ride again, but I think the novelty of it will wear quickly.

BHoover

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2016, 09:43:26 AM »
I'm holding out for either a jetpack or a hover board (think Back to the Future 2). Until one of those comes along, I'll continue to walk, albeit grudgingly.

Update: I realize there are jet packs out there. But until I see an affordable option that comfortably holds my clubs, drinks, and features a kick ass sound system, then I'm sorry, it's just not worth my time.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2016, 09:49:29 AM by Brian Hoover »

Ed Brzezowski

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2016, 12:23:34 PM »
The old game has morphed from gentlemen in knickers and a single-breasted tweed jackets with a waist coats walking the links to: http://vid1068.photobucket.com/albums/u459/jaysanvil/Ran%20on%20board_zpskio5bgig.mp4


I believe I heard some ones head explode over this, imagine if the boards had rangefinders?


Mid Pines leased 4 of these golf boards as a trial. On a Sunday morning last month I rented one and rode for 9 then turned it over to the brothers Morrissett.  Judging from Ran’s grin on this downhill slalom on #15 at Mid Pines I fear for the future of golf course architecture where half pipes, double salchows and triple loops will reign.


As an inveterate walker I am unlikely to take a board again but I could see certain advantages over the more mundane carts. You do get to get an appreciation of the terrain as you ride over it far better than in a cart. There is some physicality to riding. The constant shifting weight does work the core and calves a bit. No cart paths are necessary as these are ridden almost anywhere that you can walk including tee boxes. This is especially nice when you don’t have to pull assorted clubs from your cart bag to carry to an approach shot around the green. On hot days the breeze is a real plus. The only real negative was the lack of a 100 watt blue tooth speaker system.

Carts were a golf revolution, what about golf boards?
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Tom Fagerli

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Re: Golf Boards / Hang Ten
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2016, 02:54:27 PM »
I tested the golf board at Mid Pines. In fact that day Jay had played with a fellow that used one. I found the board to be great on wide open spaces but tough to maneuver in tight spaces. If I was younger and in better shape I would use one often. I don't think it is best for a near 60 yr old that has bad knees, back and could stand to lose a few lbs! However, I have not given up on the idea. Just need some practice. (My subconscious mind recalls how I damn near killed myself trying a skateboard when I was a kid.)