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Tim_Weiman

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2016, 10:28:39 PM »



Friday starts an epic and intense Ireland and Northern Ireland golf trip.   Our itinerary:


July 1 - Ballybunion
July 2 - Waterville and Lahinch
July 3 - Potmarnock
July 4 - Royal County Down (36)
July 5 - Royal Portrush (36)


Any advice???   It's a heavy schedule with 18 hours of driving, but we wanted to hit the best spots and play the most golf.


Sounds like your itinerary is already set, so my advice won't mean anything. But, honestly, you are making the classic (though understandable) mistake many Americans make on their first trip to Ireland:


You aren't playing Irish golf. Your schedule doesn't permit it.


Irish golf is not just running around and playing famous courses. Irish golf is slowing down, playing with locals and leaving plenty of time for the longest hole - the 19th hole - and dinner afterwards. It is not jumping in your car as soon as your round is over so you can rush off to make your tee time on the next course.


Good Luck. Hopefully you will have the opportunity to return someday.
Tim Weiman

Brent Carlson

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2016, 11:36:57 PM »



Friday starts an epic and intense Ireland and Northern Ireland golf trip.   Our itinerary:


July 1 - Ballybunion
July 2 - Waterville and Lahinch
July 3 - Potmarnock
July 4 - Royal County Down (36)
July 5 - Royal Portrush (36)


Any advice???   It's a heavy schedule with 18 hours of driving, but we wanted to hit the best spots and play the most golf.


Those are the best courses in Ireland IMO.  Enjoy the trip.  Hope you have sunshine like we did.  Irish people are wonderful.

JWinick

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2016, 11:59:25 PM »

Life is short.  Maybe this is the only time I'll ever go.  I hope not!  Playing the six highest rated courses in Ireland in five days is pretty impressive.




Friday starts an epic and intense Ireland and Northern Ireland golf trip.   Our itinerary:


July 1 - Ballybunion
July 2 - Waterville and Lahinch
July 3 - Potmarnock
July 4 - Royal County Down (36)
July 5 - Royal Portrush (36)


Any advice???   It's a heavy schedule with 18 hours of driving, but we wanted to hit the best spots and play the most golf.


Sounds like your itinerary is already set, so my advice won't mean anything. But, honestly, you are making the classic (though understandable) mistake many Americans make on their first trip to Ireland:


You aren't playing Irish golf. Your schedule doesn't permit it.


Irish golf is not just running around and playing famous courses. Irish golf is slowing down, playing with locals and leaving plenty of time for the longest hole - the 19th hole - and dinner afterwards. It is not jumping in your car as soon as your round is over so you can rush off to make your tee time on the next course.


Good Luck. Hopefully you will have the opportunity to return someday.

Keith Grande

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2016, 09:00:51 AM »
Make sure whoever is driving stays alert at night!  The roads are narrow, one lane each way, and you'll be driving in pitch black. 


Enjoy!

Ed Brzezowski

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2016, 09:18:28 AM »



Friday starts an epic and intense Ireland and Northern Ireland golf trip.   Our itinerary:


July 1 - Ballybunion
July 2 - Waterville and Lahinch
July 3 - Potmarnock
July 4 - Royal County Down (36)
July 5 - Royal Portrush (36)


Any advice???   It's a heavy schedule with 18 hours of driving, but we wanted to hit the best spots and play the most golf.


Sounds like your itinerary is already set, so my advice won't mean anything. But, honestly, you are making the classic (though understandable) mistake many Americans make on their first trip to Ireland:


You aren't playing Irish golf. Your schedule doesn't permit it.


Irish golf is not just running around and playing famous courses. Irish golf is slowing down, playing with locals and leaving plenty of time for the longest hole - the 19th hole - and dinner afterwards. It is not jumping in your car as soon as your round is over so you can rush off to make your tee time on the next course.


Good Luck. Hopefully you will have the opportunity to return someday.


I would wonder what you think of Dooks and Dingle? We ditched two big ones to play some local golf and get some quality pub time?

Good idea?

ed
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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2016, 10:25:59 AM »
What advice are you looking for? Your itinerary is set and your waking hours don't appear to allow for much besides golf. Are you looking for driving advice, shortcuts, that sort of thing?
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Michael George

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2016, 11:02:23 AM »
What is the purpose of this thread?   The trip is set and even if it wasn't, it doesn't seem that advice is going to change anything. 


I hope that you have fun on your trip, but I don't see the purpose of this thread. 

"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Tim_Weiman

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2016, 11:53:44 AM »
What is the purpose of this thread?   The trip is set and even if it wasn't, it doesn't seem that advice is going to change anything. 


I hope that you have fun on your trip, but I don't see the purpose of this thread.


Michael:


I wondered the same thing and questioned whether it even made sense to respond (with my somewhat harsh sounding post).


If a similar post ("advice for a trip to") comes up in the future, hopefully it will be presented well in advance of the planned trip.
Tim Weiman

Tim Martin

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2016, 01:00:42 PM »
What is the purpose of this thread?   The trip is set and even if it wasn't, it doesn't seem that advice is going to change anything. 


I hope that you have fun on your trip, but I don't see the purpose of this thread.


Michael:


I wondered the same thing and questioned whether it even made sense to respond (with my somewhat harsh sounding post).


If a similar post ("advice for a trip to") comes up in the future, hopefully it will be presented well in advance of the planned trip.


Guys-My guess is that there may be some buyer's remorse by the OP which he was hoping to quell. Not surprisingly the sentiment went in the opposite direction.

Rick Shefchik

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2016, 02:32:08 PM »
Since this thread seems to have run its inevitable course, I'll present our upcoming Ireland itinerary for commentary. Most of the same courses, but we will have 17 days to undertake the trip:


Aug. 26: Arrive Dublin
Aug. 27: Tour Dublin
Aug. 28: RCD, 1:30 p.m. 18 holes
Aug. 29: Tour Belfast
Aug. 30: Royal Portrush Dunluce, 9:30 a.m. 18 holes
Aug. 31: Travel, sightsee
Sept. 1:  Travel, sightsee
Sept. 2:  Arrive Belmullet for BUDA cup
Sept. 3:  Carne, 27 holes
Sept. 4:  Carne, 27 holes
Sept. 5:  Enniscrone, 27 holes
Sept. 6:  Travel, sightsee
Sept. 7:  Lahinch, noon, 18 holes
Sept. 8:  Ballybunion, 12:12 p.m., 18 holes
Sept. 9:  Travel
Sept. 10: Depart Dublin


I'm not under any illusion that the driving will be easy, but I hope we've built in enough time to make it bearable.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2016, 02:34:06 PM by Rick Shefchik »
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Ash Towe

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2016, 02:58:38 PM »
Rick,


Have a great time.  The golf is great.


The driving is not that bad.  I felt the same way in your part of the world.

Charles Lund

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2016, 03:06:05 PM »
Driving is just part of the experience. I've been to Ireland a dozen times. Just go slowly when a bus is coming at you on the narrow roads. Sometimes I actually stop. The drive up the western coast is stunning. There is a lot of golf to choose from that way. Portmarnock is worth the drive but so too are some of the courses on the west north west.

I have spent over six months playing golf in Ireland on nine different trips.  First trip was five weeks with 27 rounds on 23 different courses.

What Tommy said about Ireland reflects an important part of the cultural experience of being able to immerse yourself in the culture of another country while playing golf and interacting with people you meet.  Ireland provided me with a most welcoming experience in my first trip.

I hope you have a residual interest in going back to Ireland after this trip.  You are all young so hopefully this is not a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Some pieces of advice.

Get the maximum coverage for insurance unless you have a credit card which specifically covers you for rentals in Ireland and Northern Ireland.  Most don't.  Also, if you will be switching off on driving,  make sure all drivers are included.   If an unauthorized driver is doing the driving, it would probably invalidate the coverage.  Also, don't drink if you will be driving.  Alcohol blood levels for meeting criteria for impaired driving are quite low.  It is common for some Irish people to wait an hour before driving after a pint of Guiness.

If you find that the driving takes longer than shown on internet estimates, don't be surprised.  After nine trips, I still add 20 percent.

Charles Lund

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2016, 03:25:09 PM »
Since this thread seems to have run its inevitable course, I'll present our upcoming Ireland itinerary for commentary. Most of the same courses, but we will have 17 days to undertake the trip:


Aug. 26: Arrive Dublin
Aug. 27: Tour Dublin
Aug. 28: RCD, 1:30 p.m. 18 holes
Aug. 29: Tour Belfast
Aug. 30: Royal Portrush Dunluce, 9:30 a.m. 18 holes
Aug. 31: Travel, sightsee
Sept. 1:  Travel, sightsee
Sept. 2:  Arrive Belmullet for BUDA cup
Sept. 3:  Carne, 27 holes
Sept. 4:  Carne, 27 holes
Sept. 5:  Enniscrone, 27 holes
Sept. 6:  Travel, sightsee
Sept. 7:  Lahinch, noon, 18 holes
Sept. 8:  Ballybunion, 12:12 p.m., 18 holes
Sept. 9:  Travel
Sept. 10: Depart Dublin


I'm not under any illusion that the driving will be easy, but I hope we've built in enough time to make it bearable.


Sounds like a great backdrop for a mystery novel. Sam Skarda poses as a caddie trying to catch a serial killer with a taste for young prostitutes. Hilarity ensues.

Simon Holt

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2016, 03:47:52 PM »
I'll be the one to tell you that you have a great trip lined up!  I haven't clicked your link so don't know where you are flying into.


In a perfect world I guess you would do Ballyb and Lahinch on the same day, rather than Waterville and Lahinch which will be a very long day but who cares?  All your other days are great and very easy.


You'll have a blast but do expect Portrush and RCD rounds to take 4h30 at the very least.  Really slow at both places this year.
2011 highlights- Royal Aberdeen, Loch Lomond, Moray Old, NGLA (always a pleasure), Muirfield Village, Saucon Valley, watching the new holes coming along at The Renaissance Club.

Carl Nichols

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2016, 04:28:28 PM »
What is the purpose of this thread?   The trip is set and even if it wasn't, it doesn't seem that advice is going to change anything. 


I hope that you have fun on your trip, but I don't see the purpose of this thread.


Michael:


I wondered the same thing and questioned whether it even made sense to respond (with my somewhat harsh sounding post).


If a similar post ("advice for a trip to") comes up in the future, hopefully it will be presented well in advance of the planned trip.


Surely advice encompasses more than just where to play.  For example, just off the top of my head, people might have advice on:  caddies (whether to take them, and if so, specific caddies); restaurants; bars; hotels/inns; navigating the Dublin airport with golf clubs; scenic roads (assuming they have time); best cars to rent; golf stores in case they run out of balls or need extra rain gear (or whatever); etc. 

David_Tepper

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2016, 04:33:24 PM »
Given the 2 new holes that are being built/incorporated on the championship (Dunluce) course at Royal Portrush, I am not quite sure of the current status of the 2nd course (Valley) at Portrush. Does anyone know if the Valley course has 18 holes in play?

In any case, the Valley course is well worth a play, even if there are only 15-16 holes open for play.   
 

Daryl David

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2016, 04:35:00 PM »
Since this thread seems to have run its inevitable course, I'll present our upcoming Ireland itinerary for commentary. Most of the same courses, but we will have 17 days to undertake the trip:


Aug. 26: Arrive Dublin
Aug. 27: Tour Dublin
Aug. 28: RCD, 1:30 p.m. 18 holes
Aug. 29: Tour Belfast
Aug. 30: Royal Portrush Dunluce, 9:30 a.m. 18 holes
Aug. 31: Travel, sightsee
Sept. 1:  Travel, sightsee
Sept. 2:  Arrive Belmullet for BUDA cup
Sept. 3:  Carne, 27 holes
Sept. 4:  Carne, 27 holes
Sept. 5:  Enniscrone, 27 holes
Sept. 6:  Travel, sightsee
Sept. 7:  Lahinch, noon, 18 holes
Sept. 8:  Ballybunion, 12:12 p.m., 18 holes
Sept. 9:  Travel
Sept. 10: Depart Dublin


I'm not under any illusion that the driving will be easy, but I hope we've built in enough time to make it bearable.


Awesome trip.  Only one suggestion.  Tour Dublin for one half day (morning) and play either Portmarnock or The Island.  It would pain me to be in Dublin for two days and miss both.

Brad Wilbur

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2016, 05:50:38 PM »
I wanted to echo the thoughts on maximum coverage for auto insurance.  I'm in the planning stages for an Ireland trip next year, but talked to someone who ran into a sheep on their trip to Ireland.  They had to pay for the cost of the sheep, all the wool the sheep may have produced, and its heirs.  It came to $20,000.00!!  She's a CPA so I don't think the figures are misstated.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2016, 05:52:48 PM »
Thank God she didn't have to pay for loss of use.

Charles Lund

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2016, 07:32:43 PM »
I wanted to echo the thoughts on maximum coverage for auto insurance.  I'm in the planning stages for an Ireland trip next year, but talked to someone who ran into a sheep on their trip to Ireland.  They had to pay for the cost of the sheep, all the wool the sheep may have produced, and its heirs.  It came to $20,000.00!!  She's a CPA so I don't think the figures are misstated.

A friend organized a trip to Ireland.  To save on car rental costs, he declined all insurance.  In the parking lot of the hotel the first day, he backed into another vehicle.  The combined damage had a hefty price tag. 

When you arrive, you will be tired and dealing with the effects of an overnight flight.  If you are using a credit card that provides in insurance for car rentals, bring the letter explaining benefits that will say insurance benefits include Ireland and Northern Ireland.   I use Hertz, but they preauthorize $5000 to cover damages which the credit card company will reimburse in the event of a claim.  Make sure your credit card limits can handle the preauthorization.  Ireland also has a separate policy covering theft of vehicle.  It is about $10 per day.  If the car is stolen, it covers all loss and damage.  I had a car stolen once at home.  It was found a few days later.  Inside was a mess and ignition was torn out.   Make sure you understand insurance issues ahead of time and bring along something in writing so you can review insurance issues point by point when you pick up the car.

If your credit card has no foreign currency conversion fees, pay in Euros or Pounds,  depending if you are in the Republic or The North.  If you can use an ATM card to get cash, you generally get a better exchange rate.

Black, gray, navy blue, other blues, red, yellow, and beige are good colors.  I have heard recommendatios to not wear green or orange. 

Charles Lund

Stewart Abramson

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2016, 09:33:29 PM »
Given the 2 new holes that are being built/incorporated on the championship (Dunluce) course at Royal Portrush, I am not quite sure of the current status of the 2nd course (Valley) at Portrush. Does anyone know if the Valley course has 18 holes in play?

In any case, the Valley course is well worth a play, even if there are only 15-16 holes open for play.


I played both courses at Portrush last week with Chuck Lund. On Dunluce you play 7,8, and 9 out of order (9 as your seventh hole, then 8 and then 7 as your ninth hole) On the Valley all 18 holes are in play but the order of the back 9 is not the "normal" order. The card shows how the course is currently set up but some of the holes have the new temporary signage and some have both the old "real" signage as well as the new temporary sign. It was a bit confusing, but we figured it out. They are constructing a large practice area for the Open Championship parallel to/bordering  a couple of holes on the Valley.

Alex Miller

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2016, 09:39:35 PM »
I'm in my 20's and strained my back yesterday. Nothing too bad, probably from playing too much golf and will be fine by the weekend ;)


I hope you guys stay well-oiled- seems like a recipe for some stiff swings and perhaps a slight decrease in enjoyment than what could be gained with a longer trip.




All said, still jealous as can be!

Stephen Northrup

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2016, 10:11:49 PM »
I'll be at RCD on Monday morning (following Van the Man's show at the Slieve Donard the night before). If I see bleary-eyed guys piling out of an SUV, I'll be sure to say hello.


My first trip to Ireland was in my early 30s, and we similarly did a lot of driving. If you can still stand the sight of each other after 18 hours in an SUV over five days, then you will truly be lifelong friends.


Top minor tip from my last trip to the UK/Ireland -- buy a short bungee cord for attaching your bags to your trolleys. Between the golf and the driving, you'll probably want to pull a trolley at least a couple of times, and the bungee cord will save your bag from falling off the trolleys a few times a round.

Charles Lund

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2016, 11:51:28 PM »
Copied from my posting about a day at Royal Portrush with Stewart Abramson:

I spent yesterday at Royal Portrush, playing the Dunluce course and then Valley.  I had been to Royal Portrush 7 years ago, around the beginning of an adventure taking me to Ireland, Scotland, and Australia on multiple occasions to partake of links golf in particular and golf in remote coastal areas and smaller communities.

So much has been written of the Dunluce course which one writer called an invigorating experience which he then corrected by calling it intoxicating. 

As the site of the 2019 Open, changes are underway.  I thought that playing there at this time, I would have an experience similar to Torrey Pines South in years leading up to the 2008 U.S. Open or Chambers Bay in 2014 with temporary greens and other preparation work.  Work is under way but I am happy to report that the changes do not detract appreciably from an extremely enjoyable experience.  It did not rise to a level of intoxication but was definitely invigorating.  Two new holes to replace #17 and 18 are not open yet and they are situated in the Valley course area.  One is a long par five and visible from the Dunluce links as well as from the parking lot of the nearby Royal Court Hotel.  Two new holes were constructed on the Valley course to compensate for holes lost to construction of new holes for The Open.  Three holes are played in a different sequence to avoid walking through an area with ongoing construction.

I would recommend a 36 hole day there to anyone contemplating the possibility. I met up with a fellow member of this website and his friend from London.  We had a first rate caddie by the name of Collin, a retired law enforcement officer from Belfast.  He oriented us to playing holes with precise lines for playing holes, challenging features, occasional feedback about lapses in good fundamentals, and accurate reading of greens.  He explained some of the changes which had been completed. Only one of us had a caddie but we chipped in with additional gratuities to thank him for a job well done.  I don't ordinarily hire a caddie for myself but he was amenable to the arrangement and I was grateful for his help.

I thought about the experience of playing Dunluce from a number of perspectives. 

The first related to the evolution of my playing experience with links golf.  I would have to say that my first time at Dunluce in 2009 I felt a lot of frustration and was mostly focused on the seeming unfairness of fairway, greenside, and green contours.  I spent most of my day back then "in the wrong place at the wrong time."  Of course I lacked the creativity to make contours work for me instead of against me.  With experience of several years behind me, my day was more about embracing challenges as opposed to bemoaning unfairness.

The second involved considering the experience base derived from having spent cumulatively about six months in Ireland playing golf.  Initially, my travel involved course hopping and driving.  Now I stay for an extended time in a vacation rental and play at a club in County Donegal where I have a membership.  The extended time made me a better links player who has gone from a broad range of shortcomings in all links situations to some realistic strengths.  I suppose the skill changes helped with the attitudinal changes mentioned in the previous paragraph.

The third perspective involves an appreciation of how the course reviews, golf photography, golf architecture material, golf related friendships, and GCA discussion of which I have partaken over many years contributes to my ability to experience pleasure and enjoyment in a playing environment like the Dunluce links.  I was thinking as I was playing yesterday I now see shapes, details, and forms I did not see many years ago.

A fourth perspective came from playing The Valley course.  In a brochure there is a quote from Graeme McDowell about his fondness for the Valley course based on his time there in his younger days.  Although less spectacular and perhaps even seemingly ordinary compared to Dunluce, Valley is quite enjoyable and endearing, much like many of the links playing environments the people of Ireland are so fond of in smaller communities.  There is something special about being in these kinds of playing environments, sheltered in part by dunes and separated from housing and commercial development. 

So yesterday was a day of the grand and the wee, so to speak, with the grand embodied in Dunluce and the wee embodied in Valley.  I continue to enjoy both aspects of the Irish golf cultural experience.   

Charles Lund

Stewart Abramson

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Re: Ireland / Northern Ireland Trip
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2016, 06:36:34 AM »
Chuck,  I hadn't seen your prior posting as I've  been having serious computer problems since I've been back in the US. I have some nice photos of our rounds and hope to recover them from a balky external drive and post a link.

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