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Mark Pritchett

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2016, 08:37:51 PM »
I am really enjoying the tournament(s).  ECC looks awesome!  As a RTJ fan, I have always been curious about it and it is now high on my list to viist. 

Terry Lavin

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2016, 09:12:33 PM »
Congrats to the Ducks for beating the Illini!
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William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2016, 09:30:01 PM »
Chris had a fun afternoon working the Wise/Meyer match :)
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BHoover

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2016, 09:50:25 PM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.

William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2016, 10:39:08 PM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.

apples and oranges
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BHoover

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2016, 10:42:03 PM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.

apples and oranges

How so, Mr. G?

Matthew Essig

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2016, 10:52:05 PM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.


Welcome to the Pacific NW, where 95% of courses are tree-lined. If a course isn't tree-lined, golfers around here say "what the hell is wrong with that place."


I'll let Mr. G explain the intricacies.
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William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2016, 11:22:55 PM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.

apples and oranges

How so, Mr. G?

come out and visit and it will be self evident...happy to host

I believe travel is the best way to understand other golf courses

TV does not do it justice, nor does typing an answer on GCA

Brian, do some research, study, and you will figure it out, but unfortunately, Firestone will remain as it is  :'( :'(

It's all about the golf!

BCowan

Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2016, 11:25:37 PM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.

apples and oranges

How so, Mr. G?

come out and visit and it will be self evident...happy to host

I believe travel is the best way to understand other golf courses

TV does not do it justice, nor does typing an answer on GCA

Brian, do some research, study, and you will figure it out, but unfortunately, Firestone will remain as it is  :'( :'(

You just contradicted yourself.  Come out and visit Firestone and don't follow GCA talking points. 
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 11:27:24 PM by Ben Cowan (Michigan) »

William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2016, 12:41:26 AM »
what??

happy to host you too

 threadjack  :(

PS. this is not about Ohio even though the Buckeyes travel, they have #s no doubt

give the Pacific NW a chance...please look at the first talking point of this topic

come and visit, travel is good for the soul

thank you
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William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2016, 09:34:23 AM »
was on the course last night after the semi-final matches, and it's firmer and faster than I've ever seen it, albeit uniformly consistent

would love to hear Chris's thoughts on the matches he followed/worked as well as how he sees the course now after a few days

these kids all play so well, it is awesome to watch...bummer about Hossler

(as unique as travel is to Oregon for most folks on here, I'm happy to host you anytime of the year, thanks)
It's all about the golf!

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2016, 10:19:41 AM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.


I have not played either course and I think Firestone looks good as well.  However, and this is strictly from watching television, the "back and forth" routing at Firestone looks somewhat monotonous, though I think the individual holes look really solid.  I need to get back to Ohio, what a golf rich state!






Chris Cupit

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2016, 01:54:42 PM »
Will be happy to comment--I have the first match out today around 2:10 I think.  Hall vs. Yi maybe?  Should be great.


I had both of Wise's matches yesterday.  You MUST drive it straight and Aaron is an excellent driver of the ball.  Loooong and straight is good just about anywhere.  Again, distances are stupid.  Even in this "heavy air" kids are routinely hitting it 310+.  Typical 7 iron is around 175-180.


Course really is excellent and doesn't play as tight as it may look on TV.  I mentioned earlier in this thread how I was similarly wrong about Olympic Club.  The only trees that I would remove immediately are a series of about 8 trees planted (unfortunately) in a parallel row of two along the left side of the 18th hole (the normal 9th hole I guess).  Unlike the massive trees on the rest of the course, these look like pollarded fruit trees!  They look our of place and just don't fit the scale of the rest of the courses trees of me.


Aside from that which stands out to me, the entire course and its trees make "sense" to me.  The course would look "wrong" without them or with a dramatic tree removal.


I'll jump back on later and give a re-cap.  Good luck to both teams :)

BCrosby

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2016, 02:10:07 PM »
Good stuff Chris. Keep the commentary coming. On my TV screen ECC looks brutal. 


I'm not surprised that some of the college kids are as long as anyone on the Tour. That's been true for a couple of decades, I would think. Are you saying they are all long now?


Bob

Kalen Braley

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2016, 02:20:39 PM »
Good stuff Chris. Keep the commentary coming. On my TV screen ECC looks brutal. 


I'm not surprised that some of the college kids are as long as anyone on the Tour. That's been true for a couple of decades, I would think. Are you saying they are all long now?


Bob

Bob,

This is my understanding as well.  I've also read a few articles that suggest many pros have tweaked thier swings to give up distance in exchange for accuracy and putting the ball in play more consistently.

The biggest difference though I suspect is short game.  The pros regularly get it up and down from anywhere and everywhere within 50 yards of the green.

William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2016, 04:21:04 PM »
thanks Chris...

yes the club has kept those fruit trees there as they were part of the original fruit farm site from hundred or so years ago

all the top kids in college hit it super long and straight...the dispersion is very small at 300 yards out for these guys

technology and youth
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Tim Leahy

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2016, 05:39:45 PM »
Is it fair that the NCAA's are played on any teams home course? It seems like a significant advantage that could be easily avoided. If both Duck teams win I think this proves the point.
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2016, 06:22:29 PM »
If both Duck teams win I think this proves the point.


Well, I don't think we need to worry about that.
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Matthew Essig

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2016, 07:11:07 PM »
If both Duck teams win I think this proves the point.


Well, I don't think we need to worry about that.


+1 Dawgs ≠ Ducks
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Michael Marzec

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2016, 10:32:49 PM »
What I don't understand is that Firestone is the perennial tournament course whipping boy around here. Eugene CC looks and seems to play a lot like Firestone, yet the general consensus seems to be positive for Eugene CC.

Eugene CC seems to be narrower than Firestone due to tree overgrowth.

apples and oranges

How so, Mr. G?

come out and visit and it will be self evident...happy to host

I believe travel is the best way to understand other golf courses

TV does not do it justice, nor does typing an answer on GCA

Brian, do some research, study, and you will figure it out, but unfortunately, Firestone will remain as it is  :'( :'(


Having played both of these courses, I will wade into this...


I was completely taken by Eugene when I played it a few years ago. I found it to be a solid layout (despite the somewhat random water hazards) with some great one-shotters. Admittedly, a part of the appeal was the uniqueness of the evergreen backdrops. And while the fairways do look tight and can be downright intimidating off the tee, I found the course far more forgiving than Firestone South. Wider fairways, larger greens (as I recall), easier recovery shots from the trees.


What really sets Firestone apart -- and what I think many people fail to see on TV -- are the substantial elevation changes and severe fairway contours. Finding a level lie at Firestone requires a precise shot off the tee. It may seem a monotonous "up and back" layout, but I guarantee you will find most every hole to be quite challenging.


As Mr. G says, they are indeed apples and oranges. But both are perfectly delicious.
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Jamey Bryan

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2016, 10:43:45 PM »
Terrific tournament, and a great  story!  Individual champion, National Championship, and a Eugene kid makes the winning putt in extra holes.  You can't make this up.

Only feel bad for Beau and hope his injury isn't serious.

Jamey

Keith Phillips

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2016, 11:21:32 PM »
OT but it seems a ludicrous rule that Texas couldn't sub for Hossler in the final match.  I understand a player having to finish his match, which Hossler did most epically in his semi-final, but the idea that Texas couldn't go to its deep bench for a sub for the final strikes me as silly.

Jamey Bryan

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2016, 11:39:15 PM »
Kieth,

Honestly, before yesterday I didn't know a substitution wasn't allowed, and I've followed college golf for a long time!

Golfweek has a good short commentary here:

http://golfweek.com/2016/06/01/time-consider-allowing-substitutes-college-golf/

Jamey

William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2016, 11:41:32 PM »
Keith

the NCAA makes these rules for everyone just not Texas and BYU and are well thought of long before they take place

insane victory for OR

WOW! is right...look forward to Chris's comments on his match and the course

a win for all college towns
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William_G

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Re: Eugene Country Club--Wow
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2016, 11:48:57 PM »
Kieth,

Honestly, before yesterday I didn't know a substitution wasn't allowed, and I've followed college golf for a long time!

Golfweek has a good short commentary here:

http://golfweek.com/2016/06/01/time-consider-allowing-substitutes-college-golf/

Jamey

additionally Univ. of Oregon's Lim played several days with a 101 temp. evoking memories of other athletes playing through illness........obviously Hossler couldn't play at all, so any rule should be subjective or elective unless you want to blow it up and start over with 6 player teams
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