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Malcolm Mckinnon

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A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« on: April 30, 2016, 10:44:37 PM »

A par 3


Tee view

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Green view


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Tim_Weiman

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 11:46:33 PM »
I don't know, but it looks like something the Good Doctor might have done. Love the view from the tee.
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mike_beene

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 12:06:11 AM »
I guess it is too early to be Maxwell.

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Geoff Chin

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 12:07:53 AM »
Mackenzie at Hadley Wood GC?
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2016, 02:25:31 AM »
My first thought was Mackenzie as it looks very similar to the first at Headingly in Leeds though that is a par 4.



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Jason Topp

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2016, 08:02:11 AM »
Tough to tell the angle of the creek from the pictures but it immediately made me think of 12 at Augusta.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2016, 08:10:52 AM »
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Niall C

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2016, 09:13:42 AM »
Looks like par 3 by MacKenzie at Pitreavie, Dunfermline. If FBD wasn't in the US I'm sure he'd be first to confirm. Note how Mac hid the burn from the tee with the front side higher than the back. He did the same trick elsewhere at Pitreavie and other Scottish courses.

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Malcolm Mckinnon

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2016, 09:53:43 AM »
Niall,


You have it!


Dr. Alister Mackenzie's 12th at Pitreavie.


An early template for the 12th at Augusta.
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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 10:14:30 AM »
 Very cool.
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Rich Goodale

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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2016, 04:37:11 PM »
The next hole is even better.
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Malcolm Mckinnon

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2016, 05:40:19 PM »
And I have that one as well!


Will post a photo tour this week sometime.
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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2016, 07:51:39 PM »
very clever pick up that it may be an early formulation of the 12th at Augusta.  But I wonder if also original 7th now 16 in its original configuration might have been a conceptual result.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2016, 08:18:27 PM »
A template for the 12th in what way?
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Niall C

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2016, 07:42:40 AM »
Rich

Does this hole not remind you of the par 3 over the stream at Dalmunzie ? Clearly there is no hiding the water at Dalmunzie but the basic concept seems similar, no ?

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2016, 03:52:31 PM »
Malcolm,


Having trouble seeing the hole on Google Earth. What is the actual name of the club? Is it off Queensferry Road?


Thx.
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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2016, 05:17:44 PM »
Quote from: Niall C on May 02, 2016, 07:42:40 AM
Rich

Does this hole not remind you of the par 3 over the stream at Dalmunzie ? Clearly there is no hiding the water at Dalmunzie but the basic concept seems similar, no ?

Niall


I'd agree, Niall, but I'm still not sure that MacKenzie spent a lot of time at Dalmunzie.


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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2016, 05:28:06 PM »
Has a kind of resemblance, in reverse, to the original short par-3 7th hole, now numbered the 16th and completely changed, at ANGC.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2016, 05:45:38 PM »
Mmm...I made it onto Pitreavie's 18th last weekend...sadly it was with my football boots and not golf sticks.


The 10th, 17th, and 18th didn't look up to much, but perhaps its worth a proper go!?
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2016, 10:15:57 PM »
Finally got batteries charged and on the Dodd's Wi-Fi. Pitreavie it is. The good doctor (and a wee bit of the FBD) there!
Worth a play to see the awesome greens and tees complex in the north east corner of the site. Genius.
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Niall C

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2016, 05:52:54 AM »
Quote from: Rich Goodale on May 02, 2016, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: Niall C on May 02, 2016, 07:42:40 AM
Rich

Does this hole not remind you of the par 3 over the stream at Dalmunzie ? Clearly there is no hiding the water at Dalmunzie but the basic concept seems similar, no ?

Niall


I'd agree, Niall, but I'm still not sure that MacKenzie spent a lot of time at Dalmunzie.


Rich


Indeed, we still can't find any mention of MacKenzie other than "someone thought...."


The fact that Tom Simpson listed a private course for the guy that owned Dalmunzie seemed to knock on the head any MacKenzie involvement however that hole still shouts out MacKenzie to me.


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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2016, 01:08:24 PM »
Quote from: RJ_Daley on May 01, 2016, 07:51:39 PM
very clever pick up that it may be an early formulation of the 12th at Augusta.  But I wonder if also original 7th now 16 in its original configuration might have been a conceptual result.


Agree, but I'd like to know the distance and see some more pics...the truth is those original ANGC holes (now 12 and 16) were fairly similar in their basic tenets, and perhaps it shows a Mackenzie predilection for the style of a "diagonal carry over something (here, thin stream)"


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Malcolm Mckinnon

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Re: A Well known Architect built this in 1922. Any idea who it might be?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2016, 04:35:00 PM »
The address is...




Pitreavie Golf Club
Queensferry Rd, Dunfermline KY11 8PR, United Kingdom [/size][/size]





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