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BCowan

Low key clubhouse, Cost, photos, and thoughts
« on: March 24, 2016, 09:43:51 PM »
Below I posted some photos of Dormie's clubhouse as an example.  What does one suspect a Clubhouse like this costs? 



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Greg Chambers

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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2016, 11:49:54 PM »
You'd probably be better off asking your local modular building supplier over this discussion group...just a thought.
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BCowan

Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2016, 05:55:59 AM »
Quote from: Greg Chambers on March 24, 2016, 11:49:54 PM
You'd probably be better off asking your local modular building supplier over this discussion group...just a thought.

Why thank you Greg for such a wonder idea. 

I do remind every client there is a big difference between the golf course construction budget (which some architects talk about) and the total cost including grow-in, maintenance building, equipment, architects fees, etc.

The above was just brought up the other day.  Hopefully some with experience will chime in.. 
« Last Edit: March 25, 2016, 05:59:41 AM by Ben Cowan (Michigan) »
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2016, 07:22:54 AM »
I have played 3 rounds there on 3 separate occasions ....
One area of things I know quite a bit about (I am an Architect [buildings]).
But I would guess it was less than $250k and as Dormie was built in the midst of the financial crisis which hits this segment of the economy badly, thus it might have been less than that.  They are well away from town which will drive down the regulatory burden.  C & C and the Owners and I do not know whoever else was involved located the structure close to the top of a rise in the property so that by itself "solved" drainage problems. Their investment in Food Service is about at the rock bottom minimum (as a golfer, I have no issue with that).  The building is simple and compact enough so that a single person can perform all tasks in off hours.

I have one story concerning that..... I was out playing, by myself having the whole golf course to myself, on a nice Monday afternoon in April 2014 and "management" decided to close the clubhouse down.  Personnel hunted me down on the 12th hole, informed me of that, and that they left a cooler of cokes and beer on the clubhouse porch.  For the course and the laid back experience, it is a must play when I make the 4.5 hour drive.
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Carl Rogers

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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2016, 07:31:08 AM »
Another example of a simple and very good laid back well designed clubhouse is at Bandon Trails.  Why complicate things when you have a compelling site?
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2016, 07:53:12 AM »
The Dormie house reminds me a load of Tobacco Road with less emphasis on selling stuff....I like it a ton.  That said, I don't think this type of house works well for private clubs, but I guess thats the point...build a house to suit your needs. 


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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2016, 01:47:48 PM »
Paging Archie Struthers:


Here is a  pic of the low profile club house at Twisted Dune GC:


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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2016, 01:52:01 PM »
Ben,

The Mines GC is doing a new, small footprint clubhouse right now. They hope to have it ready by the end of April. I know it's sub-$160k.

Might be worth checking out if you're in the area.
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Jason Thurman

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2016, 02:40:31 PM »
Tiny House Hunters on HGTV airs Mondays at 9 and could be a good source of information.
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2016, 02:51:48 PM »
Quote from: Jason Thurman on March 25, 2016, 02:40:31 PM
Tiny House Hunters on HGTV airs Mondays at 9 and could be a good source of information.


Maybe Golf Channel could do Tiny Clubhouse Hunters. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2016, 03:02:13 PM »
Ben,


If I remember correctly, the Dormie building was already on the property (used as a hunting lodge) when the DC developers acquired the land.


Mark



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BCowan

Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2016, 08:28:54 PM »
Quote from: Joe Hancock on March 25, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
Ben,

The Mines GC is doing a new, small footprint clubhouse right now. They hope to have it ready by the end of April. I know it's sub-$160k.

Might be worth checking out if you're in the area.

Joe,

   If I make it out that way I look forward to checking it out.  Thanks for the heads up and the post. 
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2016, 10:21:03 PM »
 There can be a wide variety of costs even in a simple building, depending on how extensive and fancy the kitchen and bathrooms are.   I would think a wood framed building on grade could be built for under $200/SF but there are a lot of variable costs including A&E, permitting, other soft costs.   It's hard to price a building without a set of plans, so a friendly local architect would be the best place to start. 
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2016, 10:57:12 PM »
Cmon Bill...don't try to derail this thread with a logical piece of advice.
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BCowan

Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2016, 11:20:42 PM »
Quote from: Carl Rogers on March 25, 2016, 07:22:54 AM
I have played 3 rounds there on 3 separate occasions ....
One area of things I know quite a bit about (I am an Architect [buildings]).
But I would guess it was less than $250k and as Dormie was built in the midst of the financial crisis which hits this segment of the economy badly, thus it might have been less than that.  They are well away from town which will drive down the regulatory burden.  C & C and the Owners and I do not know whoever else was involved located the structure close to the top of a rise in the property so that by itself "solved" drainage problems. Their investment in Food Service is about at the rock bottom minimum (as a golfer, I have no issue with that).  The building is simple and compact enough so that a single person can perform all tasks in off hours.

I have one story concerning that..... I was out playing, by myself having the whole golf course to myself, on a nice Monday afternoon in April 2014 and "management" decided to close the clubhouse down.  Personnel hunted me down on the 12th hole, informed me of that, and that they left a cooler of cokes and beer on the clubhouse porch.  For the course and the laid back experience, it is a must play when I make the 4.5 hour drive.

Carl,

      Thanks for giving me a estimate and I respect your opinion giving that you are an Architect.  I look at it the same way as someone asking Drainage, billy bunker, or insert any other golf related estimate to a Golf Archie on GCA.com, which is done quite often on here and is a great lesson.  Great story by the way. 

Steve,

   Thanks for posting Twisted Dunes...  Looks cool.. 
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2016, 09:30:34 AM »
This one might be the ultimate in mobility and affordability.    ;D

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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2016, 01:12:20 PM »
The Dunes Club in Michigan has the smallest clubhouse I can think of.


Many courses operate out of temporary facilities for a while.  Pacific Dunes operated for six years out of a double-wide trailer, and that was fine, since they had better facilities elsewhere.  [I think Mr. Keiser only built the clubhouse there out of guilt.]  St. Andrews Beach is still operating out of a makeshift pro shop with a covered porch, which would be plenty if only it had a view of the course.
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2016, 02:39:37 PM »
Many older courses/clubs in the UK started out with the local pub being the clubhouse and some UK muni's have more than one clubhouse as more than one club plays over the same course.
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2016, 03:16:09 PM »
Check out the below website. You may find it useful. My wife and I evaluated the LV home in the past. For costing - go to below website / click on LV series / explore the LV / built LV homes / select individual project from construction costs area

Labor and materials = $172/sq ft (AR project which is listed in detail on their site)

http://www.rocioromero.com/
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2016, 04:11:36 PM »
Dundonald in the west of Scotland has a portacabin style Clubhouse, which found very inviting and relaxing after my round there in 2015.  I only need warm showers, comfortable seating, a bar, and decent food.  It provided all four.
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2016, 06:55:06 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Dai on April 25, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Many older courses/clubs in the UK started out with the local pub being the clubhouse and some UK muni's have more than one clubhouse as more than one club plays over the same course.
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Thomas,


it is not just munis as North Berwick also has several clubs each with their own clubhouses.


Jon
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2016, 07:30:26 PM »
The 2 good 9 holers in TN (Sewanee and Sweetens Cove) have micro-clubhouses. Sewanee is a legit trailer and Sweetens is a wood building and even smaller than Sewanee. Does the low ket clubhouse require a bathroom, bar, and the ability to hold more than 8 people at a time?



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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2016, 07:55:50 PM »
Quote from: JJShanley on April 25, 2016, 04:11:36 PM
Dundonald in the west of Scotland has a portacabin style Clubhouse, which found very inviting and relaxing after my round there in 2015.  I only need warm showers, comfortable seating, a bar, and decent food.  It provided all four.


Don't forget a good drying room, essential in Scotland!
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Re: Low key clubhouse or modular Cost
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2016, 07:59:54 PM »
Quote from: MCirba on April 25, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
This one might be the ultimate in mobility and affordability.    ;D




[Gasp!].  I want that when I go on my Travels With Charley trip.  Where can I get one?  Can I park it in your driveway while we play Cobb's Creek?
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2016, 08:02:58 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Dai on April 25, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Many older courses/clubs in the UK started out with the local pub being the clubhouse and some UK muni's have more than one clubhouse as more than one club plays over the same course.
Atb


Liphook, great under the radar heathland course, reversed their nines when they ultimately built a clubhouse.  Before that their "clubhouse" was a pub 150 yards behind what is now the 9th green.    Anybody who hasn't played Liphook should, it's that good.   
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