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Martin Toal

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No great par-3 over 200 yards
« on: March 10, 2016, 05:56:08 PM »
Last weekend, watching the UK Sky TV coverage of the Hobda Classic, one of the commentators was bemoaning the 240 odd yard par-3 and said he had never seen a great par-3 over 200 yards long.

I think he has a point.

Postage stamp, 7th at Pebble Beach, 17th at Sawgrass, if you like that sort of thing. The longest great 3 I could think of was the 4th at RCD, 211 off the backs. But does the general point stand?
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MCirba

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2016, 06:02:19 PM »
Calamity at Portrush
17 at Merion
Spring to mind
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Bill McKinley

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2016, 06:10:00 PM »
#5 at Fishers Island
#11 at LACC North
#17 at Merion East (already mentioned)


Those are off the top of my head and I'm sure others can come up with more
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David_Tepper

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2016, 06:23:02 PM »
#3 Olympic Lake
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Alex Miller

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2016, 06:29:30 PM »
16 at CPC. QED
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2016, 06:47:22 PM »
Sometimes, it's easy to tell when someone hasn't played Cypress Point!

WW
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2016, 06:51:06 PM »
Royal Melbourne West 16
Royal Melbourne East 4

Is NSW 6 200yds from the championship tee?

There's some good ones out there...

MM
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Tim Martin

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2016, 07:02:21 PM »
9,13 and 15 at Yale are all north of 200 yards. Greatness is in the eye of the beholder but with that said there can't be many dissenters on 9.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2016, 07:09:09 PM »
This was a very ignorant statement.

He doesn't know about CPC 16? Arguably the most famous par 3 in the world?

Does he still have his job?  ;D
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Greg Holland

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2016, 07:25:49 PM »
Pine Valley No. 5
Augusta National No. 4
Oakmont and Merion have long ones as well. 

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Matthew Mollica

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 07:31:32 PM »
Interesting discussion on long par threes on this Australian forum -

http://www.thegolfforum.com/index.php?/topic/4282-what-makes-a-long-par-3-great/?fromsearch=1

MM
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Josh Stevens

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2016, 08:31:54 PM »
That's 180m in modern money, a good 3 iron for me, and in the old days, probably a 4 iron for most pros.  Now its a 7-8 iron for most pros so they would play a hole of this length in a very different way to us.

So great for whom?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2016, 08:41:27 PM »
Variety is the spice of life. 

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JESII

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2016, 08:50:33 PM »
Josh,

The notion that these guys are hitting 7 or 8 iron into a 200+ yard par three with no assistance is pure fallacy. 200 yard carry is a good 5 iron or more for the majority with a very small minority able to carry a 6 iron that far.
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Matt MacIver

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2016, 09:29:54 PM »
16 at Carnoustie - maybe not great, but darn good...and long, especially in weather!
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BCowan

Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2016, 09:34:57 PM »
Franklin Hills #14
Orchard Lake #7
Pine Needles #5
Battle Creek #16
UofM #12
Hope Valley #18
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Will MacEwen

Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2016, 09:58:26 PM »
Bandon Trails 12
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John Kirk

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2016, 10:07:11 PM »
I love long par 3s.  Three choices off the top of my head:

#3 at Pasatiempo
#4 at Friar's Head
#5 at Dismal River (Red)
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Bill_Yates

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2016, 10:26:35 PM »
Oakmont #8. Possibly the first "driveable" (ie. you might need to use a driver ;) ) Par 3.
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Matt Albanese

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2016, 10:38:32 PM »
Quote from: Bill_Yates on March 10, 2016, 10:26:35 PM
Oakmont #8. Possibly the first "driveable" (ie. you might need to use a driver ;) ) Par 3.


The interesting thing is that many par 3s in the Golden Age were designed for players to hit woods or driver. Why should today be any different?
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BHoover

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2016, 10:45:05 PM »
17 at Oakland Hills South
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Jason Way

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2016, 11:58:43 PM »
#8 and #17 at Bethpage Black are pretty decent in my book.
#3 and #7 at Chicago Golf Club, also kind of okay.
#4 at Old Sandwich, also passable.
#17 at Sand Valley might be one of the coolest holes on the planet.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2016, 12:23:49 AM »
Quote from: Brian Hoover on March 10, 2016, 10:45:05 PM
17 at Oakland Hills South


You beat me to it.
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Tim Gallant

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2016, 03:05:33 AM »
Going to throw a few out from this side of the pond:


3rd at Royal Aberdeen
17th at Ganton
17th at Walton Heath Old (from tips)
13th at Tandridge (brilliant hole!)


While everyone loves to see the 120 yard par-3 with a wicked green complex and trouble all around, I think it is equally magnificent to see a testing 220 yard par-3, provided that there is area to land short and run-up. While I haven't played there, as someone already pointed out, the 8th at Oakmont is the model for this. Driver is sometimes required, but there is 40 yards between bunker and green front to land your drive and allow for the appropriate run-out.


I agree with Bill: variety is indeed the spice of life.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: No great par-3 over 200 yards
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2016, 03:38:50 AM »
Lot of interesting answers here but what does great really mean?

16th at CPC is spectacular but is it really great for a 24 handicapper hitting the ball 180 yards? I would say no and it is in fact a much better hole for them from a forward tee. The same for the 5th at PV. Looks great but would have been unplayable for my Dad so really a bit of a stinker. I think a lot of people are too caught up on looks rather than substance though I would add there are some good 200+yarders out there such as the 15th at Cleckheaton GC, Bradford.

Jon
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