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Marty Bonnar

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Riviera Chiaroscuro
« on: February 18, 2016, 06:33:41 PM »
Sorry for the pretentious thread title, but sometimes it's the only way of catching you imbeciles attention.  ;D

Chiaroscuro, for anyone without the benefit of any artistic training or knowledge, is the way artists, esp those of the Renaissance (no relation), deal with the effects of light and shade.

I'm watching Riviera and can't help but be fascinated by the quality of light. Some of the bunker shaping really emphasises the sunlight falling upon them. Is it meant or is it coincidental?  I'm wondering if any architects have ever consciously exploited the location, alignment, latitude or elevation of a Course to really emphasise the positioning and shaping of features due to sunlight?

Or is this solely a byproduct of Riviera's location and pure luck?

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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 07:45:30 PM »
I haven't been there, but I would imagine that being down in the canyon has some effect. For example I'm watching 18 now and the entire fairway is in the shade while the right bunkers are in sunlight.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 07:49:21 PM »
I love to see bunkers that have obviously been positioned by the architect to be in shadow at certain times of the day. 

Jon Cavalier

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 07:58:34 PM »
I can't answer your question, which is quite interesting, but I can agree completely with your observation - the light at Riviera is amazing.
































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David_Tepper

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 08:23:23 PM »
Riviera is very similar to Olympic Lake in that regard.

- Both courses are tree-lined with cypress, Monterey Pines & eucalyptus trees.

- A portion of both courses are routed across sloped terrain.

- The clubhouse for both courses sits on a bluff overlooking the 18th green.   

But the bunkering at Riviera is much better looking. ;)

John Cowden

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 09:23:36 PM »
I would think today's light levels and clarity are also effected by the storm than blew through overnight. 

Kalen Braley

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 09:23:53 PM »
Gotta be luck...those trees would have been itty bitty back when it was designed...

However, the California setting sun always seems to be extra golden...maybe its the smog!!  ;D

Bill_McBride

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2016, 10:16:05 PM »
Another element could be the many eucalyptus trees, where the light gets through the leaves and onto the turf in a cool fashion.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2016, 10:50:36 PM »
Martin - neat observation/question. I can't answer it, but I think the 'quality of light' does indeed add to a sense of place, and that some courses do seem to 'capture' that better than others. 

Maybe it is my imagination, or the fact that I only know these places from photos, but the spring or summer time light at Walton Heath does seem different than the light at Ballyneal or Wolf Point or Fishers Island, and those courses (to name a few) do seem to capture/embody this difference very well. 

Peter   
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DMoriarty

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 12:42:24 AM »
It rained yesterday.  Los Angeles has beautiful light this time of year, especially after it rains.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 11:11:51 AM »
It dawned on me driving into work today...where I have long unobstructed views off into the distance..

That Riviera doesn't have this.  Not only is it built in a wash/canyon, but its surrounded by lush dark greenery on all sides.  I think this provides extra contrast that you just don't get with many courses.

 The golden bright green grass, and white bunkers shine and pop out that much more abruptly against the dark backgrounds which puts extra emphasis on everything that's lit up.

No doubt those pics Jon posted really highlight this...

Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2016, 11:40:45 AM »
It's a really interesting question, Martin.

I am not sure about the golf architecture but I have read Virginia Postrel write about the impact of the Los Angeles sunlight on "real" architecture and the relationship of the architecture, sunlight and photography of the architecture. IIRC she also posits the film industry really got going in LA because the sunlight had / has a unique, special quality ideal for film. I can't find that reference but it has stuck with me and makes a lot of sense.

The sunlight in LA has always seemed different to me; its golden hours after sunrise and before sunset seem longer and stronger than other places.

EDIT: I would add that South Florida *in wintertime* is another place with magical light. (This is why you see so many model shoots in Miami Beach that time of year.) The architectural photography -- including golf courses -- from that time of year has this glamourous and timeless quality when taken in B&W.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 05:44:54 PM »
Wow! Great thoughts and comments, Gents. And Jon's photos totally reflect exactly what I was thinking. I honestly can't think of another golf course I've seen which looks even remotely like this in any lighting conditions.
I love the thought that maybe, just maybe, the influence of Hollywood might be afoot here. I can picture Cecil B DeMille on site, "Give me more Contrast, dammit! More Contrast! Why can't you understand? I need MORE CONTRAST!!!!!"

 ;D

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Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Jeff Fortson

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2016, 08:43:52 PM »
Having been employed at Riviera a decade ago, I can say that there was nothing equal in my career to the daily access I had to the course.  I can't tell you how many times I closed the shop an hour before dark and couldn't resist the siren's call of the course.  Normally, as many golf pros both current and former can attest to, when you work at a course the last thing you want to do is stick around and play. Who wants to hang out at work after they're done for the day?  Not many.  But at Riviera, unless I absolutely had to be somewhere, I'd go get in as many holes as I could, even if it were simply playing 1 & 2.  So many great little routing loop opportunities for 2, 4, 6, 9 holes.  Almost endless opportunities to play great holes after work.  Holes 1, 3, and 10 all virtually tee off within yards of the pro shop.  I played the 1, 2, 10, 9, 3, 18 loop well over 40 times.  So fun. 


As to how this relates to this thread... since I played late in the day primarily I spent many afternoons and early evenings playing in sunlight very much like the pictures above.  It certainly added an element of visual deception to playing.  But the beauty of the light and shadows while playing alone on a hole like #16 is something I will never forget.  The eucalyptus trees around the green while playing virtually into the sun with all the shadows was stunning.  Riviera is truly one of the great gems of the golf world.  It is solidly in my personal Top 5 anywhere and I miss it daily.


Jeff
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BCowan

Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2016, 09:49:03 PM »
Jeff,

   Great story and thanks for sharing.  There is nothing like chasing the sun on special tracks.  Courses that foster that child's like sense of wonder are special.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2016, 11:27:15 PM »
I've seen the light, also.  ;D

Actually, while it may be psychological, I believe the sense of place that one feels in 'the canyon' at Riviera adds to the magical light quality.  But, the time of day, and the reflection of the greenery around the canyon rim as someone pointed out above, are elements of the light, it seems. 

One other course I have seen this golden light quality is in the September-early October period at Lawsonia.  I've commented on it here on GCA before.  I played there with a fellow whom I was place with as a single once, and he was a professional photographer.  He mentioned to me that the golden light quality reminded him of shooting In Greece. 

Martin, whilst we played Leven Links mid-day in Oct, I have to imagine that on a rare day when the sun peaks out, you must see the light there every now and then.  ;D
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James Bennett

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2016, 03:05:29 AM »
Martin

George Thomas was aware enough of where the sun was at different times of the day and different seasons to have three tees on the par 3 14th, so that late afternoon play wouldn't be directly into the setting sun.  The spring and autumn tee is in the middle, whilst the summer and winter tees are set at perhaps 20 degrees or so each side of the equinox tees.

Of course, the detailed shaping of today's bunkers was not George Thomas's work, but he did do the original placement and some of the inspiration for today's shaping.

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Matt MacIver

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2016, 04:26:11 AM »
Martin - when I first saw Ran's write-up on the Cal Club I was mesmerized by the pictures, they just looked "brighter" than most others. Gotta be something in tha CA sun...perhaps it all being so close to so much big blue water?

Thomas Dai

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2016, 05:35:11 AM »
There was a comment in the photographer Laurence Lambrecht recent interview with Ron about letting the sun hit the grass.


Oh, and in Jon's photos the bunkering at Riviera looks wonderful.


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Lynn_Shackelford

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2016, 09:11:30 AM »
There was a comment in the photographer Laurence Lambrecht recent interview with Ron about letting the sun hit the grass.


Oh, and in Jon's photos the bunkering at Riviera looks wonderful.


Atb


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Terry Lavin

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2016, 05:47:07 PM »
My personal Riv favorites are the Trees With Disabilities, a handful of sycamores propped up by iron bars painted in sycamore "camo".  I'd cheer the day they cast no further shade.
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BHoover

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2016, 06:07:15 PM »
My personal Riv favorites are the Trees With Disabilities, a handful of sycamores propped up by iron bars painted in sycamore "camo".  I'd cheer the day they cast no further shade.


Are the Riviera members okay with keeping those trees? It's their course, so it's their choice/problem/etc. Whether those trees come down will have zero impact on me. But the trees don't seem to negatively impact the light.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2016, 12:23:46 PM »
YerHoner, I did not know that.  I've always wondered how much more perfect the spots are on the Sycamores were, almost as if related to 'Holsteins'.  :o  ;D
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2016, 03:28:26 PM »
On a slightly different note....

Seems like the Riv could host an Open watching how its going today.   

Terry Lavin

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Re: Riviera Chiaroscuro
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2016, 09:12:58 PM »
I love the Riv but it is defended by narrow fairways, small greens and trees. That's not a good USGA formula for an Open venue.
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