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Nigel Islam

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Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« on: February 04, 2016, 12:47:27 PM »
A friend of mine is set to play some George Thomas courses in LA, and I was having a discussion with another friend  about an East Coast architect. The question arose as to which architect is the most dominating in a metro area? I have some ideas of my own, but would love to hear some other thoughts.
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Dale Jackson

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2016, 01:04:24 PM »
I will respond first with a perhaps non-obvious post.


For Vancouver, Canada, Seattle and probably Portland, in fact all the Northwest, Arthur Vernon Macan.
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JC Urbina

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2016, 06:05:25 PM »
A few come to mind since I was just down in Florida playing Pine Tree. --- Dick Wilson and Joe Lee


Long Island and the North East ---- Devereux Emmett



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Cliff Hamm

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2016, 06:17:58 PM »
New England - Donald Ross and to some extent Geoffry Cornish on the public side.
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2016, 06:44:43 PM »
Dale beat me to a good "Canadian answer" with A.V. Macan, whose early work dominated - and, perhaps, still dominates - Victoria, Vancouver and Seattle. There's also Stanley Thompson in Toronto; and, more recently, Tom McBroom and Doug Carrick, who've both dominated more recent work in the Greater Toronto Area.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2016, 09:05:12 PM »
Those are all great examples. I will throw out Bill Diddel in Indianpolis and also Evansville (basically the whole state of Indiana.)
Also I think William P Bell and William F Bell had a large influence on the architectural scene of Southern California, both San Diego and Los Angeles metropolitan areas.
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Brett Wiesley

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2016, 09:23:27 PM »
Philly - Flynn
Toledo - Arthur Hills
Salt Lake City - Gene Bates
Misson Hills, China - Schmidt-Curley

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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2016, 09:54:17 PM »
Maryland, DC, Virginia. Ed Ault
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BCowan

Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2016, 10:01:35 PM »
Quote from: Brett Wiesley on February 04, 2016, 09:23:27 PM
Philly - Flynn
Toledo - Arthur Hills
Salt Lake City - Gene Bates
Misson Hills, China - Schmidt-Curley

Toledo,

Harold Webber has more.
-Tamaron
-Highland Meadows
-Riverby
-Chippewa

Hills
-Legacy
-Detwiler
-Brandywine (NLE)

Stoneridge (Bowling Green)
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Brett Wiesley

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2016, 10:25:33 PM »
Ben,


Could be closer than you think...for Hills I'd add:
- Maumee Bay
- Giant Oaks in Temperence, MI
- Red Hawk Run in Finlay
- plus the others he has renovated/touched...Inverness




Toledo,[/size]Harold Webber has more. -Tamaron-Highland Meadows-Riverby-Chippewa Hills-Legacy-Detwiler-Brandywine (NLE)Stoneridge (Bowling Green)[/color]
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2016, 10:37:27 PM »
Michigan - Matthews
Connecticut - Robert Ross
Virginia - Fred Finlay
Oregon - Egan
California - Bell (your pick which one)
Kansas - Dewey Longworth
Indiana - Diddel
Illinois - Bendelow
North Carolina - Ross

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BCowan

Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2016, 11:10:09 PM »
Quote from: Brett Wiesley on February 04, 2016, 10:25:33 PM
Ben,


Could be closer than you think...for Hills I'd add:
- Maumee Bay
- Giant Oaks in Temperence, MI
- Red Hawk Run in Finlay
- plus the others he has renovated/touched...Inverness

I forgot Maumee Bay.  Stoneridge and red hawk I don't count.  Findlay is an hr south.  Didn't know he did Giant Oak. 
Harold Weber was a founder of Inverness.  I'd say that trumps everything   ;D ;D
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David Stamm

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2016, 11:28:24 PM »
Macan didn't really do that many courses, so I'm not sure he actually dominates the Northwest. The majority of his work is certainly located there in the Northwest. IIRC, George Otten did at least as many courses as Macan.

Ted Robinson and the Rainville's did quite a few courses in So Cal. Not much of Willam P Bell's work still exists. His son, William F Bell, has far more existing work. Both of them did most of their work here in California.

William Watson did many courses in California, where the bulk of his work was done.
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2016, 06:55:14 AM »
Leeds/Bradford metro area - A. MacKenzie
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Niall C

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2016, 08:48:07 AM »
Ayrshire and west of Scotland - Willie Fernie (of Troon)


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Blake Conant

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2016, 09:12:22 AM »
Oklahoma City & Tulsa - Maxwell
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Mark Pritchett

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2016, 10:40:10 AM »
Jerry Matthews-Michigan


George Cobb-Southeast
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2016, 11:40:36 AM »
An older thread covering this questions - http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,58534.0.html
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2016, 01:22:19 PM »
Quote from: Sven Nilsen on February 05, 2016, 11:40:36 AM
An older thread covering this questions - http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,58534.0.html


I was more interested in looking at it per city. The premise from the thread orginates from the involvement of William Flynn, in one way or another, with 37 courses in the general Philadelphia area. A lot of those were original designs as well. Is there another architect that comes close to matching that?
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Geographical Dominance of Golf Architects
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2016, 01:31:51 PM »
Quote from: Duncan Cheslett on February 05, 2016, 06:55:14 AM
Leeds/Bradford metro area - A. MacKenzie

Beat me to it Duncan. A host of little known Mackenzie's here.
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