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MCirba

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Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« on: November 04, 2015, 01:59:18 PM »
Next weekend I'll be in Vegas staying on the south strip for a wedding.   I have time to squeeze in one round tightly between family commitments.

Should I go for the glitz of Bali Hai (7 min from hotel) or the more historic William Bell muni (Las Vegas Golf Club), or the faux links fun of Royal Links?

Obviously some big cost differences but all that aside, which would you choose and why?

Thanks in advance.
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Josh Tarble

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2015, 02:42:53 PM »
Go Bali Hai.  It to me epitomizes Vegas golf - over the top, contrived, expensive - and yet it's really fun in a "only in Vegas" type way. You won't see anything noteworthy at either of the other courses, but Bali Hai does have its moments, plus being right off the strip and the convenience are added bonuses.

The only way I would steer you away from it would be due to cost.

Joel_Stewart

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2015, 02:51:46 PM »
Bali Hai does epitomize many things, like the worst of golf.  It's a complete rip. 


Royal Links actually has some really interesting holes and is well done.  It's very unique. 

Josh Tarble

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2015, 02:56:30 PM »
Bali Hai does epitomize many things, like the worst of golf.  It's a complete rip. 

To be fair, you are in Vegas, not exactly the bargain capital of the world.

Mark McKeever

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2015, 03:04:04 PM »
Bali Hai wasn't worth the $$ to me.  Go for the Willie Bell!!
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2015, 03:46:40 PM »
Play Paiute Golf Courses - especially Wolf - worth the drive.

Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2015, 03:58:35 PM »
If you go to Royal Links, you could take advantage of their ParMates caddie program ;) However, that may not go over very well with your bride.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2015, 05:16:35 PM »
Mike,

LVCC might be Bell but from memory, its mostly Ed Ault. Maybe a total redo.  I say Bali Hai, or you could go east to Stallion Mountain and play your first Brauer......Last time I was there, the new owner had the conditioning back in shape from the previous owner.  It's right next door to Royal Links.

The others further out of town are probably the best golf experience, depending on if you can drive.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Terry Lavin

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2015, 05:43:24 PM »
Oh, for the old Desert Inn.
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James Brown

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2015, 08:30:28 PM »
I have played Bali Hai and Royal Links.  Both are fun layouts.  Bali Hai is definite more Vegas-ey.   It's further than it looks to cab out to Royal. 

Jud_T

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2015, 08:58:53 PM »
Royal Links is a guilty pleasure.  Not worth it but worth playing once.  I'd recommend Paiute as well. 
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MCirba

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2015, 09:02:08 PM »
Thanks so far for all the thought provoking comments but Mr. Brauer is forgetting my previous raves for Wild Wing Avocet and Quarry at Giants Ridge.  ;)  I've also played Jeff's other course at Giants Ridge and the Wilderness at Fortune Bay.

The Quarry is in my top 20 modern and I wish more folks could get up there to see it.
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Philip Caccamise

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2015, 09:45:24 PM »
Royal Links. "Only in Vegas".

Stallion Mountain, as Jeff noted, has made a nice comeback.

Jon Cavalier

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 12:20:08 AM »
Between Bali Hai and Royal Links, I'd play Bali Hai, but it's close - Royal Links does have some well done mock-ups of famous links holes (as well as some exceedingly poor ones). You probably won't love either course, but you probably won't hate them either.

If you can make the drive, Paiute is probably the best combination of value and quality golf in the Vegas area.

If you're on the south strip, you might want to check out Rio Secco - not a bad course at all (though I can't recall how much it costs as its been a while since I played there).

But if you're a fan of minimalist architecture and are looking for a round at an understated, natural, classic course that harkens back to the roots of the game, the Wynn is a veritable bargain at $500:
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AChao

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2015, 02:06:31 AM »
I probably would choose Royal Links as it has quite a few interesting holes.  Bali Hai would be a better experience if you didn't feel like a 747 were about to hit you on the head every other shot.

JMEvensky

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2015, 05:58:50 AM »

Oh, for the old Desert Inn.



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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2015, 09:32:10 AM »
Thanks so far for all the thought provoking comments but Mr. Brauer is forgetting my previous raves for Wild Wing Avocet and Quarry at Giants Ridge.  ;)  I've also played Jeff's other course at Giants Ridge and the Wilderness at Fortune Bay.

The Quarry is in my top 20 modern and I wish more folks could get up there to see it.

Mike,

Very sorry.  You were actually the first one here to have played one of my courses (Wild Wing) and actually reported on it favorably, compared the lumps I usually took on here.  A fond memory!  As I recall, you liked the Bottle Hole rendition I did there, even though they have since taken out the valley of sin feature on the green.......

I didn't realize you had been up to MN to see those courses though. 
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

MCirba

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2015, 11:37:38 AM »
No problem at all, Jeff. 

We're all getting older.  ;)

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Gib_Papazian

Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2015, 04:37:50 PM »
Her Redness was a professor for some years at UNLV, so I played quite a bit down there. Putting aside Shadow Creek, my favorite is Boulder Creek (the original 18) in Boulder City. It reminds me of The Duke at Rancho Eldorado outside of Phoenix, where some guy you never heard of put his heart, blood and guts into creating something of real merit - including all sorts of intricate strategies and little details that make the difference between good and really special.

Paiute is also worth the drive - I put it in 3rd place on my list of personal favorites down there. Royal Links is a lot of fun - although it does not really and truly play like a “links course.” I enjoyed it in the same way it is fun to hear tribute bands like the Dark Star Orchestra. Not real, but amusing for what it is.

Bali Hai is ridiculously expensive but convenient as already noted. However, it is also the quintessential golfing articulation of the Vegas ethos. Overblown, contrived and without a micron of restraint or taste. In fact, nothing on the property even bothers to make a pretense of sincerity beyond being a tongue-in-cheek mock-up of a mediocre movie where the punchline is $350 to sniff jet exhaust - playing a par-3 facing directly into the nose of a 737 at takeoff less than 300 yards from the edge of the runway.

Rio Secco and Cascata are strategically vacant, piles of Rees Jones dogshit. Cascata is less than a mile from Boulder Creek, 3x the price for 1/10th of the intellectual content - unless the idea of driving 30 minutes to see a 300 foot waterfall attached to a mediocre golf course is appealing. Rio Secco was obviously routed on whatever land was left over and more expensive than a top notch Vegas hooker. My vote is the hottie, at least there is a happy ending involved.

Better yet, leave the sticks in the room and hang at the Mandalay Bay topless pool. I wandered in there once by actual mistake - I was lost and there was nobody manning the entrance desk - and decided to commandeer a chaise lounge and order a double margarita. I believe the Latin term for this phylum is titus maximus. Her Redness was not amused at my vector into a Hunter Thompson book and dragged me and my mirrored Vuarnets to a far less scenic location.

One recommendation I can make for sheer perversity is a quick trip to Boulder City GC - preferably after playing Boulder Creek right next door. Once you’ve driven all the way past Railroad Pass - home of the 99 cent casino breakfast and discount meth - you might as well go from sublime to ridiculous. I’ve opined before that Boulder City GC retired the trophy for bad remodels. As if John Waters reprised Pink Flamingos as a golf course, with Divine as the in-house architect. Honestly, if you’re a degenerate gambler who needs to stay clear of the tables for an afternoon, the entertainment value is well worth it.

Imagine tee areas directly behind a lake with a fountain blowing water in the air directly in the line of play. Lopsided putting surface remodels that look like Ron Freem or Algie Pulley on LSD. Kitschy with the volume turned up to 11 - because it is one more than 10 - complete with a chain smoking, 300 pound cart tart covered with Raider tattoos. Go from there to dinner at the Andiamo Steakhouse and you’ve got the entire spectrum covered in one day.         
       

           
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2015, 06:14:28 PM »
It has been many years but I thought the courses at Primm Valley were ok and not overly expensive. 

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2015, 09:05:13 PM »
It has been many years but I thought the courses at Primm Valley were ok and not overly expensive.


Has anyone else played the Primm Valley courses?
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astavrides

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2015, 09:10:40 PM »
It has been many years but I thought the courses at Primm Valley were ok and not overly expensive.


Has anyone else played the Primm Valley courses?
I enjoyed them.

Jordan Standefer

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2015, 09:15:09 PM »
Has anyone else played the Primm Valley courses?

I was out there three weeks ago and played the Desert course.  I enjoyed it and glad I made the trip.  Too much containment mounding in a couple of areas, but overall very solid.  Great value compared to other courses in the area.  However, it is about 45 minutes from the strip, so that has to be taken into account.

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2015, 05:42:42 AM »
Just an interesting little aside:  My friend played there shortly after it opened and had a hole in one.  He sent a note to Tom Fazio complimenting the course and mentioning his hole in one.  Fazio sent him a diagram of the hole and put a note on it "Guess I should have made it tougher.  Tom Fazio"  which was really cool and my friend has it framed in his office.

MCirba

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Re: Bali Hai or Las Vegas GC or Royal Links
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2015, 08:22:46 AM »
Or do I risk marital bliss, rent a car, leave at 4am and run up to sweep dew at Sand Hollow?
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